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Reinhard van Astrea Vs. Sasuke Uchiha
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I don’t see why it wouldn’t, his resistant to mental pollutants and brains washing whereas genjutsu hijacks all your six senses, nervous system, your brain and soul by injecting chakra (soul and mind) into you to show illusions or incap. And it’s layered so even if he resists it doesn’t matter as genjutsu has a higher potency (layers). Rein is not rejecting the mechanics behind genjutsu
Not to mention, Rein resistance is vague while Sasuke genjutsu ranks above the likes of tsykoyomi which creates a pocket dimension (the caster controls all aspects of the dimension like time, matter, substance and vastness) inside the users mind. An example bing that Itachi used tsykoyomi on Izumi, making her live her entire life in a picosecond (not even joking) kill her soul and body in the process
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It’s been addressed, in that Rein doesn’t have a planet wide nuke. His range only goes upto thousands of kilometer (on his profile), while his supposed planet nuke (if you can call it that cus the Re0 “planet” is literally flat and not spherical) was dunked due to pucks storm sized being downgraded
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Thank you
AppleMaker
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Sasuke FRA
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Thousands of kilometers is still the radius of the Moon. That's ******* impressive.
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Can the guy jump layers in resistance?
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I addressed this here. Layers are merely one means of measuring potency. Reinhard resisted most of the effects of mind/soul hax from an Authority, which functions by bending the rules and concepts of reality, which is why it ignored most resistances. That Authority could completely control people's hearts, their senses, affect people whose awareness were separated from the rest of the world, and even force their body to undergo the same changes as others/the user by linking their souls. It also easily and passively affected over 200,000 people at the same time.
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Often, this is a simple formality. There shouldn't be any problems with layering.
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yeah Susanoo should block the nuke just like it did the TSOHe blocked the TSO EE with susanoo, so it’s not out side the realm of possibility
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Whats the consensus here along with wincons. If any
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One side is arguing conceptual based resistance > layers
the other is arguing layers > baseline resistance
some are saying the nuke sword EE should kill sasuke
others are saying Sauce should be able to survive given Susanoo tanked the TSO (it got erased but still saved Naruto)
There is no clear consensus yet
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So after reading the thread and the profiles I have to say some things
From what little I know about Re0 Reinhard doesn't open with insta nukes (and the Puck situation was apparently a very dire one), moreover he will likely go close quarters combat with Sasuce.
Sauce for his part is kinda the same but he is more likely to open with genjutsu (something he has a done a lot iirc) but could also go for a fight.
In a fight Sasuke is around at least 3 times weaker so while it will be hard to keep up it won't be the first time he does fight someone magnitudes of times stronger (granted he had a lot of help)
The problem is mostly the hax and the inability to kill Reinhard.
The EE nuke is a wincon if it catches Sasuke outside of the Susanoo which I don't think is likely because he will definitely will be using it to bridge the AP gap so at worst the Susanoo gets EE'd and Sauce summons it again.
The whole debate about numbers, potency and all that is not to my taste since numbers is just range imo. If you can mind hax everyone in a 10km radius it doesn't matter the amount of people someone drops there as they all are within the range of effect.
What matters is if they can focus all that power to **** someone up which is something genjutsu can do iirc.
In this case Reinhard has resistance to mental stuff on that comes from a law/concept but its something that will be overcome if he stays within its effects long enough.
Sasuke for his part scales to 3 or 5 layers of mental stuff depending what you look at in the blog.
idk it could be 50/50, not so sure how we determine this
ON THE OTHER HAND
Sharingan Genjutsu does more than just mind manip, it can do illusions, paralysis and put people to sleep, things that Reinhard's resistance is mid from what I see.
So my take is this.
If the fight drags on (which it will lets be honest) Sasuke will go through his repertoire of powers which includes the aforementioned wincons and he will win but if he tires enough then the EE nuke will eventually catch him and Reinhard will both AP/haxslop win.
So it honestly depends on who reaches the wincon first.
Put me in for incon.
From what little I know about Re0 Reinhard doesn't open with insta nukes (and the Puck situation was apparently a very dire one), moreover he will likely go close quarters combat with Sasuce.
Sauce for his part is kinda the same but he is more likely to open with genjutsu (something he has a done a lot iirc) but could also go for a fight.
In a fight Sasuke is around at least 3 times weaker so while it will be hard to keep up it won't be the first time he does fight someone magnitudes of times stronger (granted he had a lot of help)
The problem is mostly the hax and the inability to kill Reinhard.
The EE nuke is a wincon if it catches Sasuke outside of the Susanoo which I don't think is likely because he will definitely will be using it to bridge the AP gap so at worst the Susanoo gets EE'd and Sauce summons it again.
The whole debate about numbers, potency and all that is not to my taste since numbers is just range imo. If you can mind hax everyone in a 10km radius it doesn't matter the amount of people someone drops there as they all are within the range of effect.
What matters is if they can focus all that power to **** someone up which is something genjutsu can do iirc.
In this case Reinhard has resistance to mental stuff on that comes from a law/concept but its something that will be overcome if he stays within its effects long enough.
Sasuke for his part scales to 3 or 5 layers of mental stuff depending what you look at in the blog.
idk it could be 50/50, not so sure how we determine this
ON THE OTHER HAND
Sharingan Genjutsu does more than just mind manip, it can do illusions, paralysis and put people to sleep, things that Reinhard's resistance is mid from what I see.
So my take is this.
If the fight drags on (which it will lets be honest) Sasuke will go through his repertoire of powers which includes the aforementioned wincons and he will win but if he tires enough then the EE nuke will eventually catch him and Reinhard will both AP/haxslop win.
So it honestly depends on who reaches the wincon first.
Put me in for incon.
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From what I read in his profile, Reinhard has a sixth sense that allows him to recognize impending danger, and his RE and adaptation allow him to get out of any situation. Also, if we compare the verses, then using information analysis, Reinhard learns about all of Sasuke's techniques.
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Sasuke couldn't kill Reinhard due to Low-Godly regen, layers of genjutsu is useless against law/concept mind resistance-based and Reinhard has several ways to kill or harm Sasuke, plus he's a Extraordinary Genius in combat.
This is stomp.
This is stomp.
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nah not a stomp
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Go Reinhard vs Deku
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Sasuke has no ways to kill or incap Reinhard.
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Reinhard boutta get knocked out Garou style
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I can't make this shit up, Reinhard has a loss on his profile for being knocked out.
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That Garou thread was bullshit.
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Wait Reinhard's profile have a loss to Sanji in cooking competition LMFAO
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Speed should be unequal; they're practically the same value
Anyway, from the profiles, RvA's EE slash speed is FTL
From 4km away, Sasuke, who has FTL shunshin, can just dodge. Unless the EE is like an explosion, unlike what the scan on RvA's stuff depicts.
Genjutsu GG
The only thing here that genjutsu straight up can't do is the transmutation/curse manip. Which has no bearing on the potency of a mind-hax ability. It's like using the genjutsu's ability to astra project as evidence of superiority against someone with resistance to mind hax
Kabuto no diffed an entire stadium with genjutsu that's generally considered inferior to ocular genjutsu
Also, it's not like RvA no diffed the ability.
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It is...
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Reinhard resists.
Testarossa002
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not at the initial stage going by what's on the profile
It kept going in a straight line until it hit something
Sasuke dodges
if you ignore everything i said and what i responded to, yeah he does
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Keyword "initial stage"
and what's Sasuke gonna do once that initial stage is over?
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Ok so what you said about Reinhard's resistance to Illusion?
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Disagree on Reinhard resisting Genjutsu.
Layers > Number of People Affected.
Also, the source of the Sirius' Authority is Concept Manipulation/Law Manipulation, but it is unable to affect spiritual/mental concepts. Mind/Soul in Re: Zero are not conceptual objects. If they were, then the argument that Sirius' authority would overpower layers would make more sense, but just having conceptual manipulation as the source of the ability is not really much of a factor.
Like, if I can use my concept manipulation to do what is otherwise basic mind manipulation, that is not really any more potent than said basic mind manipulation. But if the mind manipulation can affect conceptual constructs (Minds/Souls that are accepted to be Type 2 or 1 Concepts), then yes, that would be a factor here.
Numbers are generally not really as much of a factor for potency since its messy and a lot of the time, certain individuals among a group who have stronger mental resistance would be able to overcome it anyway. Also, being able to affect 200,000 people doesn't automatically translate to you actually being able to focus the potency of your ability onto a single person more effectively. You'd need to prove that in order for it to be substantial evidence for overcoming layered abilities.
With that out of the way, Reinhard also doesn't really open with Reid? Puck was going to destroy the world in the instance he fought him. It made sense in the Garou fight to have him start with it, since Garou was also destroying the world passively, but here I don't think it'd be his first course of action. That seems really out of character.
Layers > Number of People Affected.
Also, the source of the Sirius' Authority is Concept Manipulation/Law Manipulation, but it is unable to affect spiritual/mental concepts. Mind/Soul in Re: Zero are not conceptual objects. If they were, then the argument that Sirius' authority would overpower layers would make more sense, but just having conceptual manipulation as the source of the ability is not really much of a factor.
Like, if I can use my concept manipulation to do what is otherwise basic mind manipulation, that is not really any more potent than said basic mind manipulation. But if the mind manipulation can affect conceptual constructs (Minds/Souls that are accepted to be Type 2 or 1 Concepts), then yes, that would be a factor here.
Numbers are generally not really as much of a factor for potency since its messy and a lot of the time, certain individuals among a group who have stronger mental resistance would be able to overcome it anyway. Also, being able to affect 200,000 people doesn't automatically translate to you actually being able to focus the potency of your ability onto a single person more effectively. You'd need to prove that in order for it to be substantial evidence for overcoming layered abilities.
With that out of the way, Reinhard also doesn't really open with Reid? Puck was going to destroy the world in the instance he fought him. It made sense in the Garou fight to have him start with it, since Garou was also destroying the world passively, but here I don't think it'd be his first course of action. That seems really out of character.
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Dawg, all I see in my notifications is you replying in 3 Re Zero threads lol
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I'm not even sure what the argument is. Is there a certain range it gets to before it automatically explodes?
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Voting Sasuke fra
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Not that it matters cuz the EE nuke isnt even his first move lol
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Information analysis + instinctive actions + sixth sense can very well make this the first move
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Astrea FRA
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bro just started watching and is already way into him
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Freakybro just started watching and is already way into him
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