Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Creates fate system using fate hax
fate hax allows existence of infinite possibilites
BRO THATS 2-A OMG give every @CastoriceTheFifth when are we making 2-A asat bro

Infinite Possibilities = Infinite Timelines

have you even tracked what i said, why would i need to prove something i dont even agree with?

Oh so you're just gonna being ignorance and refuse to believe anything that makes Genshin touch tier 2 even though there's the evidence for it?

Why you need to prove, because you claim those aren't like I said (i.e 2-A). Ok then prove me wrong? Till now you can't even prove me wrong a single bit other than Argument of Incredulity. I have 2 approvals from the Mods that what I said is indeed 2-A, so technically I win.

You're just gonna stuck with incredulity.

they dont exist in literal sense

Yes they do, lmao. Possibilities are a real metaphysical component of reality. The fact that something is a possibility does not mean it is nonexistent.

Why do you think those are converged and coexisted possibilities/timelines with the current one? Lol.

this is literally bunch of what if scenarios, even abyss doesnt have this since its all bunch of angry possibilities formed into energy

The Abyss being formed from unchosen fates means those possibilities continue to exist as rejected branches or outcomes, and then later create a whole new reality in another story/timeline.

As I said before, any choices that wasn't being chosen will not disappear but will create another reality in a different possibilities/timelines. This is the same concept exist in HSR and HI3 btw.

 

[MSahla]

I already told u just a few hours ago how u wrong btw
U have memory problems?

No, I am not wrong. You're just confusing which one is size and which one is amount, and think every single "infinite" thing is beginningless and should be predates the creator itself, which is wrong.

Infinites possibilities inside 1 singular space time continium, thats AT BEST Low 2C
Each other future isnt their own universe, its just an alternative path of the same

A branching structure can contain infinitely many distinct futures while all stemming from a single initial spacetime. The shared starting point does not reduce all branches into one continuum. They're still different timelines regardless of that.

Love how neither scans talk about Infinite Possibilities in fate, they just hyperbolic statments or they just saying "a lot"

While they literally talk about Humanity?
Funny how you can't even proved your claim that Nicole was talking about the universe.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Oh so you're just gonna being ignorance and refuse to believe anything that makes Genshin touch tier 2 even though there's the evidence for it?

Why you need to prove, because you claim those aren't like I said (i.e 2-A). Ok then prove me wrong? Till now you can't even prove me wrong a single bit. I have 2 approvals from the Mods that what I said is indeed 2-A, so technically I win.

Post in thread 'Is this 2-A?'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-this-2-a.192137/post-7781840
Viet literally says its 2-A range bro, like W lying if anything

 

[MSahla]

Post in thread 'Is this 2-A?'
https://vsbattles.com/threads/is-this-2-a.192137/post-7781840
Viet literally says its 2-A range bro, like W lying if anything

Surprise, you can also get the AP

if the fate had can alter the infinite timelines then you can get 2-A AP with fate hax specifically

 

[MSahla]

Surprise, you can also get the AP

If anything, @Vietthai96 and @ActuallySpaceMan42 have approved that those infinite possibilities are = infinite timelines. So I won already.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

“i won” gang what is this corny ass

 

[MSahla]

Oh yeah, at least my side is getting approved even before creating the CRT. I won't make the CRT this year tho.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Ive seen this story with 4-A genshin, 4-A genshin again, 4-A genshin AGAIN
Low 2-C genshin and many other corny stuff on this wiki, Sahl the track record you have when it comes to acting like thinking you got all
your shit passed just for it to go in like a week max id suggest you better write it with coherent proof and scans if you really want this to pass, you have to allow people to disagree i dont know why do you act corny ALL the time when i disagree with something because i dont see it that way

 

[MSahla]

your shit passed just for it to go in like a week max id suggest you better write it with coherent proof and scans if you really want this to pass,

Hence why I said I won't make the CRT this year. So see you somewhere in 2027 i guess.

you have to allow people to disagree i dont know why do you act corny ALL the time when i disagree with something because i dont see it that way

If your disagreements are based on reasonable argument, such as providing an antifeats to disprove all of my claims, then that would be just fine. But, your argument so far in this debate are based on nothing but incredulity, or you refused to believe it even though the evidence is right in front of your eyes.

This concept of possibilities being another timelines are literally exist in both HI3 and HSR with almost the same context. Even your Honkai fella like @Mbpoops approves it. Unless you're disagree this concept from the very beginning, even if it's in HI3 or HSR. (Which still fall under Argument from Incredulity anyways)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hence why I said I won't make the CRT this year. So see you somewhere in 2027 i guess.



If your disagreements are based on reasonable argument, such as providing an antifeats to disprove all of my claims, then that would be just fine. But, your argument so far in this debate are based on nothing but incredulity, or you refused to believe it even though the evidence is right in front of your eyes.

This concept of possibilities being another timelines are literally exist in both HI3 and HSR with almost the same context. Even your Honkai fella like @Mbpoops approves it. Unless you're disagree this concept from the very beginning, even if it's in HI3 or HSR, then that's different.

I will just say that i dont disagree with possibilities being timelines but you cant bring up honkaiverse here because the way possibilities work there is trough cosmology and not RubertGPT using fate hax to make possibilities happen/not happen because i dont know if the text about albedo is an actual real and existent possibility or just what possibility could happen but it didnt, that will decide my
vote for 2-A or not

 

[Puppet43]

"infinite" thing is beginningless and should be predates the creator itself, which is wrong.

Proooooof

The shared starting point does not reduce all branches into one continuum.

This is litterally how works
U think fate system also counts pre Phanes events?

Funny how you can't even proved your claim that Nicole was talking about the universe.

When was she?

“i won” gang what is this corny ass

Low key we should kiss while mocking Sahl for his corny quotes

Ive seen this story with 4-A genshin, 4-A genshin again, 4-A genshin AGAIN
Low 2-C genshin

This is funny, considering Sahl is trying so sound so mighty because his CRT pass down as if they weren't took down a month later

Sahl the track record you have when it comes to acting like thinking you got all

I have records of him acting like this even before i had a forum account, we had once a debate and he spend like 60% of the time saying stuff like "U know how hard is for a crt to pass?" "u know i was the one to give (ability/tier) to this character"
He got low diff by dont knowing how to debunk 5D Venti...

 

[Puppet43]

but you cant bring up honkaiverse here because the way possibilities work

He would bring honkai for possibilities hax but when someone pulls this then he would say "we shouldnt use Honkai cosmology because downgrades the verse"

 

[Puppet43]

Didnt we use a kuuhaki shield to protect from it.?

There 3 strikes
the 2 first are covered by kuuhaki, the last Nefer tries to seal Rerir, fails, gets hurted by her own abilitiy and Rerir comes down with an explosion

 

[MSahla]

because i dont know if the text about albedo is an actual real and existent possibility or just what possibility could happen but it didnt, that will decide my vote for 2-A or not

So your question basically "Is that alternate Albedo is real?" or "Is that alternate future of albedo/another possibility of Albedo is exist?"

Then the answer is simple. Look at Nicole's voiceline:

In another converged possibility, Albedo was the "Primordial Human" who traveled through worlds, recording and creating all. However, once that journey reached its end, no one would have been able to guarantee whether he would choose destruction or salvation. Luckily, you're the one who embarked on the journey this time. Hm? How did the alternate Albedo fare? I can no longer observe that possibility. Besides, copying someone else's answer is of little use. This journey is your own

See → "I can no longer observe that possibility"

The fact that Nicole LITERALLY can observe that Albedo from another timeline/future proving that another possibility is literally exist because she literally can see it. She know what is this alternate Albedo is doing from the beginning until she can no longer observe it.

 

[MSahla]

Proooooof

You're not stupid, so you must know what is "Amount" and "Size"

It's like what is an Elephant and what is a Fish.

This is litterally how works
U think fate system also counts pre Phanes events?

Yeah? Literally Phanes created this fate system, lmfao.

When was she?

?? You claim she talks about the universe when she mention infinite possibilities, so that's you to prove it.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

So your question basically "Is that alternate Albedo is real?" or "Is that alternate future of albedo/another possibility of Albedo is exist?"

Then the answer is simple. Look at Nicole's voiceline:

See → "I can no longer observe that possibility"

The fact that Nicole LITERALLY can observe that Albedo from another timeline/future proving that another possibility is literally exist because she literally can see it. She know what is this alternate Albedo is doing from the beginning until she can no longer observe it.

This reminds me of Terminus being ablee to see possibilities of other people and even the entire universe, those possibilities exist but arent literally realised, we know they exist but we also know they dont happen
Look man idk because if this is similar to what Terminus sees its just range bcs otherwise wed actually have descender albedo, abyss dvaln, alice who ate cookie instead of idk what etc etc

 

[MSahla]

Look man idk because if this is similar to what Terminus sees its just range bcs otherwise wed actually have descender albedo, abyss dvaln, alice who ate cookie instead of idk what etc etc

Look woomy, those alternate possibilities doesn't have to be include in the main timeline where the game takes on. Just because those alternate timelines aren't visualized doesn't mean they don't real, doesn't mean they don't exist.

If the setting explicitly acknowledges countless possible futures, destinies, or histories that can diverge based on choices, then those possibilities already represent different temporal continuities. The fact that only one is currently realized from the perspective of the observer does not reduce the others to mere imagination.

Imagine if we have Descender Albedo and Current Albedo living together in the same timeline? There would be no Traveler at all.

Hell, not even Genshin, just take this trailer of HSR for example.


Do you want those alternate futures had the Nameless never going to Amphoreus to be literally happen so we can know they literally exist? If that's what you want we'd have Herta merging with Irontomb already, or a fkin Zephyro vs Welt.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Look woomy, those alternate possibilities doesn't have to be include in the main timeline where the game takes on. Just because those alternate timelines aren't visualized doesn't mean they don't real, doesn't mean they don't exist.

If the setting explicitly acknowledges countless possible futures, destinies, or histories that can diverge based on choices, then those possibilities already represent different temporal continuities. The fact that only one is currently realized from the perspective of the observer does not reduce the others to mere imagination.

Imagine if we have Descender Albedo and Current Albedo living together in the same timeline? There would be no Traveler at all.

Hell, not even Genshin, just take this trailer of HSR for example.


Do you want those alternate futures had the Nameless never going to Amphoreus to be literally happen so we can know they literally exist?

Yes because otherwise you cant scale PO to 2-A if the possibilities in question never happened and are only seen, key word “Seen” thats why i am spiritually against this, theres a difference where the inf possibilities actually exist and are created (I.E Otto making literal branch with infinite town lvl leaves where kallen is alive and well) and possibilities that u can only see but know it didnt happen, mind you if welt vs zephyro DID happen the universe would be destroyed, if Jingliu possibility DID happen Yaoshi would be dead and IF herta possibility happened then the third emperor would be real, thats why you cant get 2-A like this, UNLESS u can definitely prove that PO can actually actualize the timeline where albedo became descender im not seeing this as applicable AP feat
seeing futures=actually creating futures
seeing different possibilities=actually creating those possibilities
Abyss is probably scaleable since they actually converhe the unrealised possibilities in form of energy but the scale of this is just cosmic level really

 

[MSahla]

Yes because otherwise you cant scale PO to 2-A if the possibilities in question never happened and are only seen, key word “Seen” thats why i am spiritually against this

thats why you cant get 2-A like this,

Yeah, that's the end of the debate, gamers. Since you confirmed yourself being argument from incredulity, or simply: "I don't see it, therefore it isn't applicable."

And your examples actually prove this. The fact that one possibility contains Welt fighting Zephyro, another contains Jingliu killing Yaoshi, and another contains Herta encountering the Third Emperor means these possibilities possess different chains of events and causality. They are not merely different camera angles of the same future, but different histories.

And.. I don't even want to reply other things you mention because it'll ended up meaningless since you're PERSONALLY don't believe it.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Yeah, that's the end of the debate, gamers. Since you confirmed yourself being argument from incredulity, or simply: "I don't see it, therefore it isn't applicable."

And your examples actually prove this. The fact that one possibility contains Welt fighting Zephyro, another contains Jingliu killing Yaoshi, and another contains Herta encountering the Third Emperor means these possibilities possess different chains of events and causality. They are not merely different camera angles of the same future, but different histories.

And.. I don't even want to reply other things you mention because it'll ended up meaningless since you're PERSONALLY don't believe it.

what does any of this have anything to do with 2-A and timelines actually being created/real again?

 

[MSahla]

what does any of this have anything to do with 2-A and timelines actually being created/real again?

Because we're talking about you being personally disagreed about the concept of possible alternate futures/timelines, which is the core of this 2-A anyway.

If you disagree with this concept, why don't you just create a CRT to remove this key from Irontomb? (I doubt that's even possible anyway since it's just personal belief)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Because we're talking about you being personally disagreed about the concept of possible alternate futures/timelines, which is the core of this 2-A anyway.

If you disagree with this concept, why don't you just create a CRT to remove this key from Irontomb? (I doubt that's even possible anyway since it's just personal belief)

Completely unrelated topic and this is because these futures can actually happen if express strays of the script, literally why we have traveler preventing abyss durin existence which is what disproves PO and its 2-A trough temu precog and fate hax lol, the possibility NEEDS to happen to exist in most literal sense and it cant cus traveler prevented it
but if its my belief i wont be talking abt this anymore

 

[MSahla]

but if its my belief i wont be talking abt this anymore

That's the end of the debate.

 

[MSahla]

this is because these futures can actually happen if express strays of the script,

Actually, this also happen in Genshin.

Had the Traveler never came to Mondstadt, Varka would be the hero of Mondstadt, Dvalin got sealed, Dvalin would be completely corrupted by the Abyss and break from his seal, Venti would've get injured from purifying Dvalin, and Mondstadt would've get destroyed.

That's exactly what happened in this trailer


Dvalin having this key also for that reason.

 

[Puppet43]

It's like what is an Elephant and what is a Fish.

Both are

• Animalia
• Chordata
• Olfactores
• Vertebrata
• Osteichthyes (In the case of Bony fish)
• Sarcopterygii (In the case of lobe-finned fish)
• Rhipidistia (In the case of lunged fish)

So which is ur point?

Yeah? Literally Phanes created this fate system, lmfao.

Did u read my quote?

U think fate system also counts pre Phanes events?

"It's created by Phanes but it also counts events that happend previous to its creathor's birth"

You claim she talks about the universe when she mention infinite possibilities, so that's you to prove it.

I never said that

First scans reffears to humans becoming unpredictable and no longer needing a guidance in their lifes, the second just talks about the infinite possibilities; but then again no mention of Phanes, u litterally making up the mention of Phanes

Sahl if u gonna lie make it more discret or straight up don't do it, that makes u look bad ngl

 

[MSahla]

Both are

• Animalia
• Chordata
• Olfactores
• Vertebrata
• Osteichthyes (In the case of Bony fish)
• Sarcopterygii (In the case of lobe-finned fish)
• Rhipidistia (In the case of lunged fish)

So which is ur point?

Oh, so Elephant = Fish?

I never said that
Sahl if u gonna lie make it more discret or straight up don't do it, that makes u look bad ngl

The fck you mean you never said that.

the second just talks about the infinite possibilities in a universe

 

[Puppet43]

Oh, so Elephant = Fish?

It depends on what you define as "fish." The word itself has an outdated meaning since the systematic groupings of "mammals, birds, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and invertebrates" fell out of use. What we call fish are just less derived branches of the vertebrate tree, and as previously stated, they share those seven subphyla with elephants.

The fck you mean you never said that.

But that isn't Nicoles scan

• Nicole scan was the first
• The second was about Remurians

 

[MSahla]

It depends on what you define as "fish." The word itself has an outdated meaning since the systematic groupings of "mammals, birds, fish, amphibians, reptiles, and invertebrates" fell out of use. What we call fish are just less derived branches of the vertebrate tree, and as previously stated, they share those seven subphyla with elephants.

Fish in general? The mfs that swim?

But that isn't Nicoles scan

• Nicole scan was the first
• The second was about Remurians

This? yeah it's about remurians. So what? Remurians was also humans. But where again did Boethius mentioned "the universe" like you said? While he was talking about the humans?

And then theres this Pantalone scan saying basically the same thing in the context.

 

[Voidnether]

Look woomy, those alternate possibilities doesn't have to be include in the main timeline where the game takes on. Just because those alternate timelines aren't visualized doesn't mean they don't real, doesn't mean they don't exist.

If the setting explicitly acknowledges countless possible futures, destinies, or histories that can diverge based on choices, then those possibilities already represent different temporal continuities. The fact that only one is currently realized from the perspective of the observer does not reduce the others to mere imagination.

Imagine if we have Descender Albedo and Current Albedo living together in the same timeline? There would be no Traveler at all.

Hell, not even Genshin, just take this trailer of HSR for example.


Do you want those alternate futures had the Nameless never going to Amphoreus to be literally happen so we can know they literally exist? If that's what you want we'd have Herta merging with Irontomb already, or a fkin Zephyro vs Welt.

Yeah but the problem is that we don't know those timelines you spoke of are universal, or they're localized (like Istaroth's 2-C situation).

You have something like this in WuWa:

Low Multiverse level, possibly Multiverse level with Temporal Loop (Can change the entire universe with their Temporal Mandate, with their Sonoro Sphere containing the beginning and end of all time including the countless possibilities stored inside the Tethys system, where the smallest deviations can cause entirely different outcomes)

You know where the problem is? Tethys System is only 4-A in size, it's not even universal and up to this day I still don't know how they still had that 2-C rating up. But yeah you get the whole point, if it was actually an universal timeline and not a localized one like Istaroth's 2-C situation, then yeah that's 2-A but besides that it's not

 

[MSahla]

Yeah but the problem is that we don't know those timelines you spoke of are universal, or they're localized (like Istaroth's 2-C situation).

First of all, there's no evidence nor implications to said those timelines are localized.

Second of all, Alternate Albedo was literally the Traveler, or basically he become a Descender who travel through the universe, through worlds, recording and creating worlds. Meaning that timeline of him was already universe in size.

In another converged possibility, Albedo was the "Primordial Human" who traveled through worlds, recording and creating all. However, once that journey reached its end, no one would have been able to guarantee whether he would choose destruction or salvation. Luckily, you're the one who embarked on the journey this time. Hm? How did the alternate Albedo fare? I can no longer observe that possibility. Besides, copying someone else's answer is of little use. This journey is your own

Notice how she said → "In another converged possibility” ?
Nicole explicitly describes them as converged possibilities, not localized events or isolated scenarios. Meaning these timelines are coexist. The example she gives is a reality where Albedo's entire origin is different. He is the primordial human who travels between worlds. That's not a small regional variation, but a fundamentally different historical development affecting the structure of the world itself.

More importantly that should be noted is that, if a possibility contains a different past, different causal history, different individuals, and different future outcomes, then it is functioning as an alternate spacetime continuum, not a localized pocket event. And that Albedo example from is especially damaging to the "localized" interpretation.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Actually, this also happen in Genshin.

Had the Traveler never came to Mondstadt, Varka would be the hero of Mondstadt, Dvalin got sealed, Dvalin would be completely corrupted by the Abyss and break from his seal, Venti would've get injured from purifying Dvalin, and Mondstadt would've get destroyed.

That's exactly what happened in this trailer


Dvalin having this key also for that reason.

Exactly why i am against 2-A PO due to timelines being unable to actualise, like i said yes abyss does this but it doesnt actualise full failed posibility but its localised on a cosmic scale as of now, if anything explicitly confirms the actualization of infinite possibilties on a cosmic/uni scale i will lean into agreeing
for now the existence of these timelines is because of fate hax and ability to see them is precog

 

[MSahla]

Exactly why i am against 2-A PO due to timelines being unable to actualise, like i said yes abyss does this but it doesnt actualise full failed posibility but its localised on a cosmic scale as of now, if anything explicitly confirms the actualization of infinite possibilties on a cosmic/uni scale i will lean into agreeing
for now the existence of these timelines is because of fate hax and ability to see them is precog

A possibility does not need to be 'actualized' in the sense of becoming the main timeline to exist as an alternate timeline. The entire premise of alternate timelines is that they are different outcomes of history that coexist as possibilities.

If Nicole can reference a specific converged possibility where Albedo became the primordial human and traveled between worlds, or that alternate future of Mondstadt had the Traveler never came to Mondstadt, then those possibilities already contains a complete historical sequences. Whether it became the dominant history is irrelevant.

 

[Voidnether]

First of all, there's no evidence nor implications to said those timelines are localized.

Second of all, Alternate Albedo was literally the Traveler, or basically he become a Descender who travel through the universe, through worlds, recording and creating worlds. Meaning that timeline of him was already universe in size.


Notice how she said → "In another converged possibility” ?
Nicole explicitly describes them as converged possibilities, not localized events or isolated scenarios. Meaning these timelines are coexist. The example she gives is a reality where Albedo's entire origin is different. He is the primordial human who travels between worlds. That's not a small regional variation, but a fundamentally different historical development affecting the structure of the world itself.

More importantly that should be noted is that, if a possibility contains a different past, different causal history, different individuals, and different future outcomes, then it is functioning as an alternate spacetime continuum, not a localized pocket event. And that Albedo example from is especially damaging to the "localized" interpretation.

There's still like a reason why Alternate Future Dvalin is 6-B and it's because the alternate timeline's size caps at Mondstadt and not like universal sized where it doesn't just cover Mondstadt, but also Teyvat and the whole universe

 

[MSahla]

There's still like a reason why Alternate Future Dvalin is 6-B and it's because the alternate timeline's size caps at Mondstadt and not like universal sized where it doesn't just cover Mondstadt, but also Teyvat and the whole universe

???????
Wtf that gotta do with his 6-B rating?

And no, Alternate Mondstadt had the Traveler never came to Mondstadt was not only for Mondstadt size realm type shit, it was for the whole Teyvat and the rest of the universe.

If you're talking about that bubble world created by Alice and Nicole, that's a whole different thing, because they created a small world based on that Alternate Future of Mondstadt specifically. Key word: "based on." Meaning they don't create a whole new timeline of Teyvat in that bubble world.

 

[MSahla]

Btw, 6.7 Fontaine Main Event Quest Dialogue Counts. PLEASE LET COLUMBINA MEET NEUVILLETTE

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Imagine we had a page for the Abyss. Genshin would be immediately universal lol

 

[MSahla]

Imagine we had a page for the Abyss. Genshin would be immediately universal lol

What you mean page for the abyss?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

What you mean page for the abyss?

Like character profile like Hi3 have for IMT and SOQ

 

[MSahla]

Like character profile like Hi3 have for IMT and SOQ

No they don't have profiles of Imaginary Tree and SoQ? You mean like Imaginary Energy ane Honkai Energy pages?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

No they don't have profiles of Imaginary Tree and SoQ? You mean like Imaginary Energy ane Honkai Energy pages?

Oh no, my bad. I mistaken some blogs for profiles