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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Doffy got a bit weird scaling. Controlled 5-C Jozu who got frozen by Kuzan. Doffy broke through Kuzan's ice. The same Doffy control gear 4th broke through. Would Doffy get 5-C LS from this?
 
Atmos, 13th yonko commander got toyed by the same string and he's likely at least as strong as Izou, 16th yonko commander who bruised dragon Kaido. Little Oars Jr. beating giant vice admirals easily. The same Oars who got his leg cut off by Doffy. Now, we could have 5-C New Giant Warrior Pirates and even the long retired giant principal has 5-C feat.
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
Atmos, 13th yonko commander got toyed by the same string and he's likely at least as strong as Izou, 16th yonko commander who bruised dragon Kaido. Little Oars Jr. beating giant vice admirals easily. The same Oars who got his leg cut off by Doffy. Now, we could have 5-C New Giant Warrior Pirates and even the long retired giant principal has 5-C feat.
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I don't believe we have "5-C" lifting strengh and in LS specifically I believe that Doffy already scales to Jozu. Doffy can't have any of his others stats (durability/ap for him or his strings) scaling to the Yonko /admiral/ Top tier due to having more feats of being one shot tiers below them while also having been stated to be weaker than Jack and Cracker by their respective captains(altough Kaido is more indirect) or so I interpret the manga and the current scaling presented on the profiles
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
Doffy got a bit weird scaling. Controlled 5-C Jozu who got frozen by Kuzan. Doffy broke through Kuzan's ice. The same Doffy control gear 4th broke through. Would Doffy get 5-C LS from this?
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5-C Durability via his strings only, it wouldn't scale to his own or his physical stats, same with Class E LS.

Also Aokiji was likely holding back against Doffy so he was likely not putting the same effort, similar to what has happen in Pre Timeskip Luffy and Robin.
 
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Whiz_Almighty said:
Atmos, 13th yonko commander got toyed by the same string and he's likely at least as strong as Izou
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Nothing suggest that Atmos (the guy who Doffy was controlling with his strings) its just as strong as Jozu, Whitebeard's Commanders aren't rank in terms of strength and only Marco, Ace, Vista and Jozu have been consistenly potrayed as the strongest crew members between their performance against the admirals or that they always pair together in scenes, so i don't believe Atmos come even close to them or Izou.

Also like i say his strings would only scale to Jozu in terms of Durability and LS as while are durable enough to restrain him Doffy never demostrate to be able to harm him, which its definitely the case has he was getting overpower by Boundman who could casually break those strings, so no his regular Dura/AP would be inferior to Top Commanders.

At most you can scale from Boundman casually break the strings as he did took multiple names attacks without be blow a part, such feat should be comparable to Perospero surviving a beating from a Sulong Cat, who should be far stronger than Jack, as well as be able to injure Kin'emon while distracted, feats that should logically put Doffy at relative level to Big Mom's Top Ministers (as its back up by the fact that BM believe Cracker would have been needed to defeat Luffy, suggesting that she believe Perospero, Oven or Daisuke wouldn't be strong enough) and Kaido's Tobiroppo (at least the weakest ones like Page One, X Drake, Sasaki or Black Maria, as Ulti has the feats that put her above him and Who's Who also potentially stronger than Doffy).

Whiz_Almighty said:
Little Oars Jr. beating giant vice admirals easily. The same Oars who got his leg cut off by Doffy.
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Defeating Vice Admirals or regular Giants isn't impressive when Pre Timeskip Luffy could do the same.
 
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I debated with someone outside here. He thought Big Mom was holding back against Kid and Law cuz she wasn't using conqueror's haki infusion most of the time. What do you think of this?
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
I debated with someone outside here. He thought Big Mom was holding back against Kid and Law cuz she wasn't using conqueror's haki infusion most of the time. What do you think of this?
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She likely was using it considering that she did against Page One, Oda either didn't bother to make it visually clear (since anyone with enough common sense would assume BM wasn't holding back for no reason) or he simply forgot to add the Advance CoC effect in the panel.
 
Whiz_Almighty said:
I debated with someone outside here. He thought Big Mom was holding back against Kid and Law cuz she wasn't using conqueror's haki infusion most of the time. What do you think of this?
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What people need to always remember is that characters aren't robots who will automatically use their most powerful or their most efficient abilities/attacks in combat; characters have their own fighting style and preference in their way of fighting.

Big Mom flew into a rage at Page One and knocked him out with a Supreme King Haki punch. During her fight with Law and Kid, she was much more composed most of the time.
 
Damage3245 said:
Big Mom flew into a rage at Page One and knocked him out with a Supreme King Haki punch. During her fight with Law and Kid, she was much more composed most of the time.
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But why would BM hesitate to use ACoC against Kidd and Law in a point where herself has acknowledge them as genuine threats? Especially when she believe sacrifice a portion of her lifespan to boost her strength was necessary?
 
Stefano4444 said:
But why would BM hesitate to use ACoC against Kidd and Law in a point where herself has acknowledge them as genuine threats? Especially when she believe sacrifice a portion of her lifespan to boost her strength was necessary?
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Haki is a finite resource. Luffy fights pretty recklessly with Haki-draining moves and has ran out of it a couple times in the past. Someone as experienced as Big Mom could be a bit more reserved in a fight where she doesn't default to using Supreme King Haki infusion as her primary fighting style.
 
Damage3245 said:
Haki is a finite resource. Luffy fights pretty recklessly with Haki-draining moves and has ran out of it a couple times in the past. Someone as experienced as Big Mom could be a bit more reserved in a fight where she doesn't default to using Supreme King Haki infusion as her primary fighting style.
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Where it was imply or stated that BM had running that low on Haki? Especially when she still kept using Armament Haki anyway, so i doubt at that point she only had barely enough Advance CoC to just one attack.

Beside even if we believe that, does make sense for her to keep holding back while she was pin down by both Kidd and Law? Like she clearly was aware that she was in trouble so if anything she had more than enough reason to use it in that situation, be either when punching Law or tanking Kidd's laser.

Like at that point was a now or never situation, and Law and Kidd were also at their limits and its the reason why they end up doing the Awakening combo hoping to BFR her. So if she did and ovepower them, then they would have done for and she would have won.

No matter how you see, there its just no logically or plausible explanation that can justify BM not just Advance CoC against the two, so either she trully pull a Danny and kind of forgot about her be able to infuse Conqueror Haki, or more likely (and hopefully) option its that she was using it and Oda didn't add the visual effects (be because he forgot or didn't want).

Any other explanation you can come out with its just cope in my opinion.
 
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I didn't say she was running low; I meant that Big Mom would fight in a way that wouldn't result in her running low in the first place.

Maybe she did use it, maybe she didn't. All I know is we didn't see her using it and characters don't always use every ability in their arsenal in a fight.
 
Kaido and Big Mom were both holding back ✋🐵🤚

To make the next generation stronger and have a better chance of becoming Joyboy 🙈 then they will come back for the final war with their awakenings 🐵 ok bye
 
wait... I did not realize I missed that many threads... 🙉 I thought everything was just quiet... skypiea thread, alabasta thread, planet thread and all of that, when did all of that happen 😅🙉

Also... No surprise as well, most of them being innately bs, instead of trying to fix anything, they just point out things they don't like or think don't make sense... Like they come out of nowhere, and instead of questioning things, they go make a whole CRT... 🙉
 
Kachon123 said:
😂 😂 idk why but this is so funny to me
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idk how it would. But it's just the truth tho😅. Like we get no chance to fix the verse, and then when there is a small chance, they make a thread that delays fixing them even more

Not giving an alternative to what you are questioning and just trying to remove/attack it should've been a rule long ago to not be allowed. Those are just hidden spite threads, whether intentional or not

Hiding spitefulations fr
 
Btw, we got 5-C vice admirals from Egghead. Red King and Doll from damaging Sea Beasts & PX III. 5-C Bluegrass with PX III. It would be nice if they have pages here 😎
 
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