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OPM: Martial Arts Brothers Revision

Farfetchedx

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I recommend using the sanbox for CRTs and then once it's finished copy-pasting them into an actual CRT. It helped me avoid accidentally posting shit a lot.

Anyway you can probably just edit this CRT and paste the finished thing here, instead of making a completely new thread.
 
This shouldn't be used like that. It's also the reason why the willpower page got removed.

How do you even compare their willpower to claim his willpower is superior? There is no statement or anything.
This might be fine but i'm not sure if this suits as hax or simply just adding it to skill/intelligence section. After all, we don't believe everyone who attacks someone will have killing intent or anything.

If anything, It doesn't appear to be a resistance at all. He simply didn't attack him with killing intent. (It doesn't even take skill, actually :d)
This is wrong. (At least, not stated in any way.)

This talks about how Garou's copy works. Apparently, everything has a flow behind it in OPM, even those techniques in their nature. This doesn't mean the users are using the same method as Bang/Garou here.

For example, i could do some weird move and Garou would still copy it that way. This doesn't mean I take the knowledge of the flow and recreate it in my body myself, unlike Garou who copies my technique.

Everything else seems fine (ability-wise).

Also, "was likely the world-class genius referenced by the narration regarding Garou’s newly used technique." iirc, this was actually talking about Garou being a genius of that level who was able to achieve this technique.

And an addition, Bomb's AP should be higher (Comparable to Bang's higher ones). Not only he's comparable to, and supposedly stronger than Bang, but Garou himself also considers Bomb to be stronger than Bang after the arc ended.


Tbh, it looks like Bang redirects all of the attacks himself while he's just posing :d (He doesn't interact with the energy balks at all :d)
 
This shouldn't be used like that. It's also the reason why the willpower page got removed.
This is not the reason the page was removed.
This might be fine but i'm not sure if this suits as hax or simply just adding it to skill/intelligence section. After all, we don't believe everyone who attacks someone will have killing intent or anything.

If anything, It doesn't appear to be a resistance at all. He simply didn't attack him with killing intent. (It doesn't even take skill, actually :d)
It would be an unconventional resistance since many types of ESP and AnPr works by reading the opponent's killing intent. Even if it is derived from Bomb's skill, it can still be indexed as an ability for the same reason Atomic Samurai has NPI for being able to cut water through skill (or Nichirin for slicing between cells, although he doesn't have a profile yet).
This is wrong. (At least, not stated in any way.)

This talks about how Garou's copy works. Apparently, everything has a flow behind it in OPM, even those techniques in their nature. This doesn't mean the users are using the same method as Bang/Garou here.

For example, i could do some weird move and Garou would still copy it that way. This doesn't mean I take the knowledge of the flow and recreate it in my body myself, unlike Garou who copies my technique.
It was said by Garou that many martial artists use Shakkei to borrow movements from nature. While this is different than the applying the flow of natural energy into your fist, it does implicate something. Just like how for the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, Bang took inspiration from raging currents and tidal surges, the name Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist points to Bomb taking inspiration from from sharp wind currents in nature.

Energy Manipulation for Bomb would only be "likely" at worst based on the above, however he'd have the ability regardless since Bomb scales similar to Bang in overall skill level.
Also, "was likely the world-class genius referenced by the narration regarding Garou’s newly used technique." iirc, this was actually talking about Garou being a genius of that level who was able to achieve this technique.
It's talking about all three of them.

The phrase "This secret joint technique that even a world-class genius cannot normally perform alone," is referring to Bang and Bomb, since neither of them is capable of performing the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist individually.

The following sentence- "...this man is able to copy-acquire physical techniques that go beyond Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist"- is when the focus shifts to Garou. This also indicates that the "world-class geniuses" mentioned earlier are Bang and Bomb, because the narrator explicitly establishes the Cross Fang Dragon Slayer Fist as a technique that surpasses their individual martial arts.
And an addition, Bomb's AP should be higher (Comparable to Bang's higher ones). Not only he's comparable to, and supposedly stronger than Bang, but Garou himself also considers Bomb to be stronger than Bang after the arc ended.
Bomb would scale from base Bang's value, not Awakening Breath or Exploding Heart Release Fist.

Despite having gone all out against Garou before losing, Bomb was shocked that Garou could keep up with Awakening Breath Bang, claiming that he grew stronger since their fight.

Awakening Breath Bang > Garou (vs Bomb) > Bomb >~ Base Bang.
Tbh, it looks like Bang redirects all of the attacks himself while he's just posing :d (He doesn't interact with the energy balks at all :d)
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This is not the reason the page was removed.
I misremember it then.

But still, the comparison itself isn't usable here. That shouldn't be given to Bang here, at least not based on what's written there.
It would be an unconventional resistance since many types of ESP and AnPr works by reading the opponent's killing intent. Even if it is derived from Bomb's skill, it can still be indexed as an ability for the same reason Atomic Samurai has NPI for being able to cut water through skill (or Nichirin for slicing between cells, although he doesn't have a profile yet).
I know there are abilities that works by reading killing intent, but that isn't the same as giving someone a resistance like that based on not attacking someone with killing intent. Like, it's not like he was hiding his killing intent or etc either.

If i attack someone while not having killing intent, i'd get this resistance just because i had no intention of killing? I don't think this requires to be listed as "resistance" here.
It was said by Garou that many martial artists use Shakkei to borrow movements from nature. While this is different than the applying the flow of natural energy into your fist, it does implicate something. Just like how for the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, Bang took inspiration from raging currents and tidal surges, the name Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist points to Bomb taking inspiration from from sharp wind currents in nature.

Energy Manipulation for Bomb would only be "likely" at worst based on the above, however he'd have the ability regardless since Bomb scales similar to Bang in overall skill level.
How does implication at best reaches "likely" at worst?

This touches to the true nature of WSRS. It doesn't have to be "those in comparable skill can do similar stuff" when it's not explained as such either.

All i can see here is just "possibly" at best.
Bomb would scale from base Bang's value, not Awakening Breath or Exploding Heart Release Fist.

Despite having gone all out against Garou before losing, Bomb was shocked that Garou could keep up with Awakening Breath Bang, claiming that he grew stronger since their fight.

Awakening Breath Bang > Garou (vs Bomb) > Bomb >~ Base Bang.
Bomb "not holding back" isn't the same as full power there. He gave his energy to Tanktop Master a second before the fight started. Garou also claims him to be stronger.

I don't think Garou is just talking about Base Bang while comparing them as the entire purpose is for him to get enlightment like before.
I didn't refuse him having it, and i already agreed with it.

I just meant it as "i love how it looks like he's just posing in the background while doing nothing".
 
But still, the comparison itself isn't usable here. That shouldn't be given to Bang here, at least not based on what's written there.
I disagree. It's mentioned in the justification for Bang's Supernatural Willpower:
Isamu was among the first to fall. Bang stayed standing through sheer willpower.
I know there are abilities that works by reading killing intent, but that isn't the same as giving someone a resistance like that based on not attacking someone with killing intent. Like, it's not like he was hiding his killing intent or etc either.

If i attack someone while not having killing intent, i'd get this resistance just because i had no intention of killing? I don't think this requires to be listed as "resistance" here.
The argument isn't that Bomb has a resistance just because he wasn't trying to kill. Anyone can attack without killing intent. It's that Bomb is capable of launching a serious offensive while completely lacking the killing intent that this form of Extrasensory Perception relies on to detect or predict attacks. In other words, his mental state prevents that specific sensing mechanism from working as intended.

That's pretty much analogous to a limited resistance or unconventional counter to killing intent-based ESP, since the ability's detection method is rendered ineffective against him under those circumstances.

If the standard for resistance is that an ability fails to function properly against a target, then Bomb qualifies at least for a limited resistance to killing intent-based ESP. It's the same reason why a housefly has Resistance to Bone Manipulation due to being an invertebrate.
How does implication at best reaches "likely" at worst?

This touches to the true nature of WSRS. It doesn't have to be "those in comparable skill can do similar stuff" when it's not explained as such either.

All i can see here is just "possibly" at best.
If it's already established that drawing knowledge and power from nature is a fundamental concept in many martial art schools, and Bang is explicitly stated to apply the energy of nature through the Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist, then it's reasonable to assume that the same principle applies to Bomb as well. He has greater experience than Bang and his Whirlwind Iron Cutting Fist is itself blatantly modeled after natural phenomena.

He was also stated to dedicate himself to long and grueling training to develop his techniques, which is something that Bang copied when coming up with the WSRSF only after Bomb told him to master himself.

It would make absolutely no sense if this is a concept unique to Bang and Garou
Bomb "not holding back" isn't the same as full power there. He gave his energy to Tanktop Master a second before the fight started. Garou also claims him to be stronger.

I don't think Garou is just talking about Base Bang while comparing them as the entire purpose is for him to get enlightment like before.
Bomb being somewhat drained before fighting Garou is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Regardless of his condition, Bomb fought Garou with all the power he could muster at the time. Even so, he was still concerned about Bang (who wasn't drained) facing Garou, explicitly warning him to be careful.

With that in mind, Bomb being completely shocked that Garou, whom he considered to be at least on the level of Base Bang, was able to clash with Awakening Breath Bang strongly implies that Bomb considers Awakening Breath Bang to be above himself. Otherwise, there would be little reason for his surprise.
 
This is not the reason the page was removed.
And why was that?

Because I remember it was removed because there was no universal power system involving Willpower, and therefore we couldn't compare that kind of feat between different characters. Just because one character did X thing through Willpower doesn't mean another character can do exactly the same thing through it.
 
How do you even compare their willpower to claim his willpower is superior? There is no statement or anything.
I disagree with this for Tayman's reasons; just because Bang could survive radiation a bit better than a literal child, that doesn't serve as proof that his willpower allows him to break out of spiritual BFR.
Bang has better feats and portrayal. Bang survives radiation far longer than the average adult, in comparison to Child Emperor survival time with other children. Emperor is portrayed as a child that struggles with confidence and gets emotional when his plans doesn't work out. He was even almost influenced by phoenix man two times. Bang is portrayed as a old man with strong resilience, who doesn't even panic when he's facing death.
And an addition, Bomb's AP should be higher (Comparable to Bang's higher ones). Not only he's comparable to, and supposedly stronger than Bang, but Garou himself also considers Bomb to be stronger than Bang after the arc ended.
Bomb "not holding back" isn't the same as full power there. He gave his energy to Tanktop Master a second before the fight started. Garou also claims him to be stronger.

I don't think Garou is just talking about Base Bang while comparing them as the entire purpose is for him to get enlightment like before.
Idk, Garou never faced full powered Bomb to actually make an accurate assumption. Garou likely speculates that Bomb is that strong based on the fact that a weakened version of him did so well. We'd be giving Bomb a rating based on what Garou thinks his full power should be.

For the rest of your point's, I share basically the same opinion as Kachon
 
Bump.

I disagree with this for Tayman's reasons; just because Bang could survive radiation a bit better than a literal child, that doesn't serve as proof that his willpower allows him to break out of spiritual BFR.
Aside from this, do you agree with the rest of the proposal?
 
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