Jepilstiltskin
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Damn, I don't see that lol.
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Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist
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XD
Astral_Trinity439
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Hmm
Why do the scan links say "access denied"?
Jepilstiltskin
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Idk, it's working just fine for me.
Astral_Trinity439
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This:
Maybe you can access it cuz you made it? That often happens if you forget to make it public or smth (idk about this site in specific but most img hosting sites have a setting like that)
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I could access it, if you have a VPN or smth that could be affecting itThis:
Maybe you can access it cuz you made it? That often happens if you forget to make it public or smth (idk about this site in specific but most img hosting sites have a setting like that)
Jepilstiltskin
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Nope.
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I just notice this. That was added after Transduality/Nonduality were changed into PP. I'm 100000% sure @StrymULTRA is aware of that, as the term changing is literally the reason why the guy added PP2 for Bill in the first place. I mean, if you disagree with the justification on the profile, do it the old-fashioned way, create a CRT about it, rather than bringing it up here (it's not even the appropriate place to bring this up in the first place anyway bro, because the purpose of this thread is to index characters who already had PP prior to the changes).
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This is not Paraconsistency at all. At best I see a potent form of Probability Manipulation.
If my understanding is correct on Quantum Mechanics (although it may not be so), Quantum Uncertainty is simply about two physically opposing possibilities existing as simultaneously possible, but not in the sense that both hold simultaneous concrete existence.
This should qualify as Type 2 since all the mentioned dualities are equated to each other (Yin/Dark/Nothing and Yang/Light/Being/Universe)
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All World of Darkness profiles ofc should be included, like Jehovah, The Buddha, Wyld, Weaver, Bondye. As they also transcend the Synthesis, Tapestry and its illusions, and even the entire Law of Noncontradiction itself.
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As far as I known, it is more like yin and yang are a dualities, then there is creation embodying them, and then there is wuji existing and trascending it
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- Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1 [Darkness & Light]; The Overlord, representing darkness in a fundamental, conceptual sense for everything in existence, has the power to break The Balance between Light and Darkness without facing any negative consequences, while the duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole. The Overlord is also able to completely control his opposing force, Light)
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Testing water. Cui heng is simultaeously the extreme emptiness of the end, and the origin of everything before the beggining of time. He is simultaneously embodies those at the same time. This should atleast give him PP1, maybe PP2 because there is already an existence and non existence, along with a (dubious) contradictories duality system (that was clearly the intention of the author but with this wiki eh...). This is furthered down because the thing that was going to make everything the contrary was yin when entering yang
Added to that those dualities there are already very clearly contraries (down to lifeless and life), including not conventional contrary dualities like fire and ice. To the point of saying that it is like a mirror
These embodies even the most blatant of states like reality and illusion (something by definition, not real) and a state between it, by virtue of encompassing th
The more I talk the more I see PP3, or atleast back to his PP2, I don't man, this is just seems like alot of the old dualities, would you know it, would make emphass it on those being contraries, and it was just buried because people associated it more with stuff like past and future, alive or death, etc.
So I propose
Logically cui should embody all of these six because well...There are like 40 mentions that "existence" is absolutely everything down to being simultaneously emptiness and everything.
This should be more of a CRT, but meh.
Added to that those dualities there are already very clearly contraries (down to lifeless and life), including not conventional contrary dualities like fire and ice. To the point of saying that it is like a mirror
These embodies even the most blatant of states like reality and illusion (something by definition, not real) and a state between it, by virtue of encompassing th
The more I talk the more I see PP3, or atleast back to his PP2, I don't man, this is just seems like alot of the old dualities, would you know it, would make emphass it on those being contraries, and it was just buried because people associated it more with stuff like past and future, alive or death, etc.
So I propose
1. Reality
2. Unreality
3. between reality and unreality
4. The combination of everything yin and yang embody, including, logically life and not life, reality and illusion
5. Extreme non existence of the end
6. non non existence and all of reality are contraries (duh), but combined, describing himself as an unknown existence (“The beginning of time symbolizes the appearance of the ‘Foundation of Existence’. As the symbol of the Beginning and End, as long as I absorb the ‘Existence’, I can encompass everything, transcend the boundless, and become an unknown existence.)
2. Unreality
3. between reality and unreality
4. The combination of everything yin and yang embody, including, logically life and not life, reality and illusion
5. Extreme non existence of the end
6. non non existence and all of reality are contraries (duh), but combined, describing himself as an unknown existence (“The beginning of time symbolizes the appearance of the ‘Foundation of Existence’. As the symbol of the Beginning and End, as long as I absorb the ‘Existence’, I can encompass everything, transcend the boundless, and become an unknown existence.)
This should be more of a CRT, but meh.
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????. Time governs both existent dimensions and nonexistent dimensions. Demon Realm is a [nonexistent] "space" beyond/transcend Time so it is obviously transcend existent and nonexistent dimensions
Also while its PP is before the nondual revision, it used the existence and nonexistence argument, and this two thing have always been textbook logical duality
Probably not anymore, cause it seem to be about conceptual opposing forces
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You need to know that time encompasses non-existent Realms in heroes like alterations of history, can lead you to realms like non-existent history (non-existent history is still a subset of history) or rather yeah, it's still under time's jurisdiction/governance. (History is governed by time)
The demon world is external and fundamentally different from the timelines and the non-existent stuff In heroes.
I do think we have terminology pertaining to such here;
And it's much accepted that WoV and the other non existent stuff is part of the greater timeline;
Dragon Ball Cosmology
vsbattles.fandom.com
Viet should probably distinguish different types of time In heroes, because its quite messy rn.
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There are no logical negations in this, so it wouldn't qualify.
This wouldn't qualify, the very fact that people are a mixture of light and darkness proves they aren't negations of one another.
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You don't need logical negations, you just need another type of logic, i mean, there are TWO paradoxes of states there, there are several ways of getting different types of values without paradoxes. Also how the hell is fusing lifeless and live not a paradox?
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This is not the place to evaluate character with PP after the change.
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Maybe I missed something in the scans you posted, but I'm not seeing what you're talking about.
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Simple, there is reality, then there is unreality, then there is wuji, boom three system types, to say that you need paradoxes would awaken luka wrath. I don't get this obsession that you can only get to be in multiple systems as a type via only logical negations, when, to my understanding, the true origin of MVS was from uncertainty based paradox rather than anything.
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I was referring to Meng Qi, as for the Cui Heng stuff, this isn't the place to have something not on a profile evaluated.
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Dude, this was evaluated after Nondual revision, also the page justification is suck but informaton ground everything in the verse and 0 and 1 act as binary, that what i remember from the revision
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It was on the profile, just removed, but yeah, meng qi should have it via NEP logic, yang ki basically has the same argument, and like half of the people that get pp is because of existence and non existence
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would this still qualify
or was this already evaluated after pp revision
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Your comment above is confusing people. Can you get rid of it? This is for evaluating PP that was transferred over from Nonduality/Transduality, not for evaluating cases accepted after the change.
I'll clarify this again, this is not for evaluating PP, or potential PP CRTs you are planning. If it's on a profile, and used to be transduality and never got reevaluated, you can do so here, otherwise don't bring it up, it's not relevant.
Your comment above is confusing people. Can you get rid of it? This is for evaluating PP that was transferred over from Nonduality/Transduality, not for evaluating cases accepted after the change.
I'll clarify this again, this is not for evaluating PP, or potential PP CRTs you are planning. If it's on a profile, and used to be transduality and never got reevaluated, you can do so here, otherwise don't bring it up, it's not relevant.
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Sounds like NEP Type 3.
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Still qualify for PP, though what Type is depend on context of what is everything and nothing here, right now based on the justification it seems to be Type 1 at least
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It says towards the nothing, that CAN be everything. That means it's not both at the same time, but can transition from one to the other, that's not PP but NEP Type 3.
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Well, can't load the scan so i can only based on the justification, but if what you say is true then yeah, PP should go
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I checked the history, the page was created (20 November 2025) after the nondual revision (26 October 2025). The ability was added on 26 November 2025, however no linked CRT in the edit, so idk if it was actually got evaluated, or just added without evaluation
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Nononon, it says that it embodies the stories that are being currently counted (happening and existence), those who ended (non existence), and begining (those to be born). It is existence, non existence, stories whose ended, and those To be born). So existence, non existence, stories ended (so NP2), and an unknown state.
PD: I am stating that there is a stories ended value because well...There is a place that is quite literally called "forgotten characters realm"
PD: I am stating that there is a stories ended value because well...There is a place that is quite literally called "forgotten characters realm"
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The entire verse is outdated so don't bother
Though based on the justification alone and the available scans it is qualify for the ability, Type 2
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On one hand, I think it was debunked, on the other hand it says alot about the new system that a guy who doesn't have it, acts 1000x more like if he had it than the average joe with "2500000 different values in 40 different rams of logic".
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Outdated tag bruhh
But anyway remove it, for the immunity we have Metaphysical Immunity to replace the old nonduality based on metaphysical dualities
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The first one is fine still. @Robo432343
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Balance itself is a duality between light and darkness, between good and evil. Balance also governs the Realm of Madness a place where balance does not exist and realms where balance does exist.
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