The Ice King CRT (Fortnite).

[Quangotjokes]

You know the point is arguing that the Ice King wouldn't scale to Zero Point's powers because they don't have a UES right?

Yeah but the mods already disagreed already the thread should be closed

 

[Quangotjokes]

During the galaxy us event, it gets absorbed then starts resisting the absorption, then galactus over-power3d it and the zero point then initiated a full reality collapse. You then see them im the nexus.

Scan?

 

[PurposeDevine00]

First off, it needs to fulfill the standards of a Limited Energy System, which is:
Basically they draw from the same source of power (or can be converted between sources) and consume roughly equivalent amounts of power.
Then it also needs to fulfill the standards of a Non-physical Energy System, which is:
Basically it has to show that all of the character's supernatural abilities are linked in attack potency, meaning that when their energy or power increases, the strength of all their abilities increases proportionally as well.
Then it also has to fulfill this criteria:
Basically the character must be able to channel that energy through their body to measurably enhance their physical abilities or otherwise show that their supernatural powers can be scaled based on their physical capabilities.
(This is my understanding of Energy Systems, I could be wrong, so to be safe you could ask one of the moderators who commented here.)

First off, it needs to fulfill the standards of a Limited Energy System, which is: Basically they draw from the same source of power (or can be converted between sources) and consume roughly equivalent amounts of power.

- I'm failing to understand how this relates to The Zero Point. The Zero Point is not some mana/magic or ki system. It's literally just a ball of energy that is creation and its source. The other thing is, The Zero Point is not a character who fights or uses magic or whatever it usually is. So when you say: "Basically they draw from the same source of power (or can be converted between sources) and consume roughly equivalent amounts of power", I really don't know how this even applies to The Zero Point.

Then it also needs to fulfill the standards of a Non-physical Energy System, which is: Basically it has to show that all of the character's supernatural abilities are linked in attack potency, meaning that when their energy or power increases, the strength of all their abilities increases proportionally as well.

- I also don't see how this would even apply to The Zero Point. Did I forget to mention it's Infinite Energy? So when you say: " Basically it has to show that all of the character's supernatural abilities are linked in attack potency, meaning that when their energy or power increases, the strength of all their abilities increases proportionally as well", I really don't see how it applies when it has Infinite Power and it's "abilities" ((if you can even call it that), have always been limitless and depend on whoever is in possession.

Then it also has to fulfill this criteria: Basically the character must be able to channel that energy through their body to measurably enhance their physical abilities or otherwise show that their supernatural powers can be scaled based on their physical capabilities.

- This also kind of doesn't apply here because you'd be asking if a ball of energy can channel themselves through themselves. This wouldn't make sense asit's always doing that and it's a self sustaining ball of energy. To ask it to it "enhance it's physical abilities or 'supernatural powers'" is also pointless as it's literally a ball of energy.

These criteria above really only applies to characters who fight and utilize some mana/magic system like Wizards and such. The Zero Point on the other hand is an object that should be scaled conventionally in which it's accepted as [2-A]

 

[Mythic381]

The Zero Point is not some mana/magic or ki system. It's literally just a ball of energy that is creation and its source. The other thing is, The Zero Point is not a character who fights or uses magic or whatever it usually is. So when you say: "Basically they draw from the same source of power (or can be converted between sources) and consume roughly equivalent amounts of power", I really don't know how this even applies to The Zero Point.

Pretty sure the Zero Point is a being that has shown sentience and not just a "ball of energy." Even if it was, you can't really assume an object that has energy to do something would scale to it in terms of durability.

I also don't see how this would even apply to The Zero Point. Did I forget to mention it's Infinite Energy? So when you say: " Basically it has to show that all of the character's supernatural abilities are linked in attack potency, meaning that when their energy or power increases, the strength of all their abilities increases proportionally as well", I really don't see how it applies when it has Infinite Power and it's "abilities" ((if you can even call it that), have always been limitless and depend on whoever is in possession.

Having infinite power doesn't mean an increase is impossible.

Having infinite power also doesn't fulfill the criteria.

This also kind of doesn't apply here because you'd be asking if a ball of energy can channel themselves through themselves. This wouldn't make sense asit's always doing that and it's a self sustaining ball of energy. To ask it to it "enhance it's physical abilities or 'supernatural powers'" is also pointless as it's literally a ball of energy.

If you want to prove that an object in which all of it's powers are scaled to it's physical durability, you'd need to, as it hasn't shown really any proof for that.

That's the equivalent of just default assuming that someone should scale to their magical ability with their physical power. You can check profiles for objects that have magical energy, and you'd find them indexed like "unknown" in durability.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Pretty sure the Zero Point is a being that has shown sentience and not just a "ball of energy." Even if it was, you can't really assume an object that has energy to do something would scale to it in terms of durability.
Having infinite power doesn't mean an increase is impossible.
Having infinite power also doesn't fulfill the criteria.
If you want to prove that an object in which all of it's powers are scaled to it's physical durability, you'd need to, as it hasn't shown really any proof for that.
That's the equivalent of just default assuming that someone should scale to their magical ability with their physical power. You can check profiles for objects that have magical energy, and you'd find them indexed like "unknown" in durability.

Pretty sure the Zero Point is a being that has shown sentience and not just a "ball of energy." Even if it was, you can't really assume an object that has energy to do something would scale to it in terms of durability.

• Durability is defined as: Durability is the property which guarantees the ability to withstand a certain amount of force. Withstanding force consists of the measurement of the severity of damage from attacks.
• In physics, for a ball of energy to remain a cohesive ball without immediately exploding or dissipating, the internal forces holding it together must perfectly balance or resist the outward pressure and force of that energy.
• If the object's internal structure and binding force was less than itself and couldn't withstand the energy it contains, it would immediately collapse (and even become a black hole) or instantaneously dissipate. Given the fact that The Zero Point exists as a stable, self sustaining ball of energy proves that its structural integrity (durability) matches its energy output (AP).

- This is even shown during The Zero Crisis event where it withstands it's own Reality Waves which were collapsing creation. In the same video, it withstood it's own implosion blast which would end creation itself.

- The point is, The Zero Point is a stable, self sustaining ball of energy that withstands its own energy and opposing internal forces. This is both backed by physics and proven in the story.

Having infinite power doesn't mean an increase is impossible. Having infinite power also doesn't fulfill the criteria.

- That wasn't the point but while we're at it, can you elaborate on this.

If you want to prove that an object in which all of it's powers are scaled to it's physical durability, you'd need to, as it hasn't shown really any proof for that.

That's the equivalent of just default assuming that someone should scale to their magical ability with their physical power. You can check profiles for objects that have magical energy, and you'd find them indexed like "unknown" in durability.

- Going by this magic energy which doesn't even apply here, this would be like asking: does Goku's Ki blast scale to itself?

- Anyways, I think my first point proves enough that it scales to itself. What I was trying to point out is the flawed logic of applying those magic systems to The Zero Point when that isn't the case.

 

[Mythic381]

• In physics, for a ball of energy to remain a cohesive ball without immediately exploding or dissipating, the internal forces holding it together must perfectly balance or resist the outward pressure and force of that energy.
• If the object's internal structure and binding force was less than itself and couldn't withstand the energy it contains, it would immediately collapse (and even become a black hole) or instantaneously dissipate. Given the fact that The Zero Point exists as a stable, self sustaining ball of energy proves that its structural integrity (durability) matches its energy output (AP).

Weird you're using physics to describe something that has energy accepted as straight up conceptual and magical energy. You aren't going to use physics for energy that is non-physical.

- This is even shown during The Zero Crisis event where it withstands it's own Reality Waves which were collapsing creation. In the same video, it withstood it's own implosion blast which would end creation itself.

How exactly did you deduce it's "withstanding" it's own waves when it's only affecting reality via an omnidirectional blast. Why would it affect itself?

- That wasn't the point but while we're at it, can you elaborate on this.

How does "having infinite power" exactly not apply to their energy or power increasing, their strength of all their abilities increasing proportionally as well? That has nothing to do with whether or not it has infinite power.

- Going by this magic energy which doesn't even apply here, this would be like asking: does Goku's Ki blast scale to itself?

Goku's Ki blast scales to itself. Goku without a UES wouldn't scale to his Ki blast unless he's proven to be able to withstand it. Point here is arguing that an object doesn't scale to it's energy just because it releases it. Goku doesn't scale to his Ki blasts with a UES.

This will probably keep going back and fourth, so I'll stop replying and wait for more staff input, assuming there even would be.

 

[Quangotjokes]

When ice king pulled the infinity blade out the ice he conjured a snow storm that obscured the moon completely in a matter of moments

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Weird you're using physics to describe something that has energy accepted as straight up conceptual and magical energy. You aren't going to use physics for energy that is non-physical.
How exactly did you deduce it's "withstanding" it's own waves when it's only affecting reality via an omnidirectional blast. Why would it affect itself?
How does "having infinite power" exactly not apply to their energy or power increasing, their strength of all their abilities increasing proportionally as well? That has nothing to do with whether or not it has infinite power.
Goku's Ki blast scales to itself. Goku without a UES wouldn't scale to his Ki blast unless he's proven to be able to withstand it. Point here is arguing that an object doesn't scale to it's energy just because it releases it. Goku doesn't scale to his Ki blasts with a UES.
This will probably keep going back and fourth, so I'll stop replying and wait for more staff input, assuming there even would be.

How exactly did you deduce it's "withstanding" it's own waves when it's only affecting reality via an omnidirectional blast. Why would it affect itself?

- Did you watch the video or not? And do you know what an Implosion is? The "Omnidirectional blast" as you call it, starts at the very center and spreads out in all directional. You can even watch the video frame by frame to see this. And why would it affect itself? Maybe because of the fact that it's an Implosion? I literally linked the definition for you.

- Also, I don't know if you've played Fortnite before or how knowledgeable you are on it's lore but you should know The Zero Point has withstand it's implosion on three separate occasions already (C1SX, C2S6 and C4 finale event). So this isn't a matter of using physics for something that's non physical, it's literally something that's supported by the story itself because it has happened already. I also don't know what world you are living in where Energy itself is considered a physical thing.

How does "having infinite power" exactly not apply to their energy or power increasing, their strength of all their abilities increasing proportionally as well? That has nothing to do with whether or not it has infinite power.

- Why are you asking me? I'm the one who asked you because you're the one who made the claim. Don't try to frame this like I'm the one who made the assertion. I also have to ask, how does something that has Infinite Power already increase in power?

Goku's Ki blast scales to itself. Goku without a UES wouldn't scale to his Ki blast unless he's proven to be able to withstand it. Point here is arguing that an object doesn't scale to it's energy just because it releases it. Goku doesn't scale to his Ki blasts with a UES.

- Okay, we both agree with this: Goku's Ki blast scales to itself; it's the Ki blast itself. (The Zero Point scales to itself.) "Goku without a UES wouldn't scale to his Ki blast unless he's proven to be able to withstand it" this isn't about Goku, it's about his Ki blast itself but on the topic of withstanding, I've already addressed and proven this about The Zero Point so this is just pointless. "Point here is arguing that an object doesn't scale to it's energy just because it releases it" That is not the argument that's being made here. The argument isn't that The Zero Point scales to "it's energy" just because it releases. The argument is that The Zero Point scales to Itself because it is itself. The extra is that it can withstand it's own energy which is already a given with the main argument.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

When ice king pulled the infinity blade out the ice he conjured a snow storm that obscured the moon completely in a matter of moments

Yeah for real, that was cool.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Bump

 

[Quangotjokes]

So what’s the general consensus on ice kings scaling that’s been agreed upon here?

 

[PurposeDevine00]

So what’s the general consensus on ice kings scaling that’s been agreed upon here?

Most agree with [2-A] Attack Potency/Durability and others haven’t given any input about it.

For Speed, it’s tied but the ones who gave more input agree with Possibly Infinite Speed.

 

[Quangotjokes]

Ah i didn’t realize I thought it was rejected

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Ah i didn’t realize I thought it was rejected

All good. Also, did you see my message on dc?

 

[Quangotjokes]

All good. Also, did you see my message on dc?

I’ll check now

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

This should be closed since it was rejected by 4 staff members.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

This should be closed since it was rejected by 4 staff members.

Three disagreed only with Speed (because they thought it was Dimensional Travel which has been proven not to be the case) and they gave no input on Attack Potency/Durability.

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Bump

 

[PurposeDevine00]

Bump