What Level of Resurrection is This?

[IDK3465]

Whenever the main protagonist dies, their corpse poofs into a cloud of smoke before having their body reform where they last slept. On top of this, the character can also be fully killed by a disease that's stated to drain their life force/soul energy (not destroy it, it drains and absorbs it), which is also implied to contain their consciousness, since souls retain their memories and personalities after death.

Would this count as Mid-Godly resurrection? Or is that only for soul/mind erasure and not soul/mind absorption?

 

[AyOgUyS]

Would this count as Mid-Godly resurrection? Or is that only for soul/mind erasure and not soul/mind absorption?

I am 70% certain godly levels of resurrection are specifically for the complete destruction of metaphysical aspects.

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Whenever the main protagonist dies, their corpse poofs into a cloud of smoke before having their body reform where they last slept. On top of this, the character can also be fully killed by a disease that's stated to drain their life force/soul energy (not destroy it, it drains and absorbs it), which is also implied to contain their consciousness, since souls retain their memories and personalities after death.

Would this count as Mid-Godly resurrection? Or is that only for soul/mind erasure and not soul/mind absorption?

Mid godly is complete erasure so it needs to be destroyed. Its probably low godly since it seems to regerate from a nonphysical feature.

 

[IDK3465]

Mid godly is complete erasure so it needs to be destroyed. Its probably low godly since it seems to regerate from a nonphysical feature.

I am 70% certain godly levels of resurrection are specifically for the complete destruction of metaphysical aspects.

Yeah, that's what I was worrying about too. Though, the character can also heal from the effects of the disease, so would that be notable as soul healing/restoration?

 

[Arkenis]

Just sounds like regular supernatural res.

 

[I'm_here_to_teach]

Yeah, that's what I was worrying about too. Though, the character can also heal from the effects of the disease, so would that be notable as soul healing/restoration?

Depends if its only healing and nothing else
Then ya should be.

 

[IDK3465]

Just sounds like regular supernatural res.

Ok, but what level of resurrection do you think it should be? Mid-High? Low-Godly?

 

[Arkenis]

Neither. The body going poof just seems like a game mechanic.

 

[IDK3465]

Neither. The body going poof just seems like a game mechanic.

It’s literally shown within the animated trailers and tie-in novels, it’s canon

 

[Arkenis]

It’s literally shown within the animated trailers and tie-in novels, it’s canon

You should literally provide more context.

 

[ShionAH]

You should literally provide more context.

Might be minecraft

 

[IDK3465]

Might be minecraft

You should literally provide more context.

I didn't want to get into it because I was still in the research phase, but yes, I'm talking about Minecraft again (yes, the Wither has soul hax for some reason, I'll get into it later, just give me a sec to find the scans)

 

[IDK3465]

Ok, so basically, withering is said to drain the life force and "vigor" from its victims, and the Wither uses this life energy to heal itself. We also know that souls empower the Wither because it is constructed from soul sand. Due to other quotes regarding how Ender Pearls (which contain/are the souls of Endermen) are the very heart of an Enderman's being, giving them life and consciousness, how souls can commune with the living after death, and just generally how important souls are to the lore, it's safe to say souls, life energy, and consciousness are meant to be the same thing in MC.

Another thing we know from the trailers is that respawning is canon, and the players' bodies do canonically poof into smoke when they die. So, with ALL OF THAT SAID, I'm wondering what level of resurrection this brings and whether or not the player healing from the wither effect counts for soul healing.

(P.S. If you're wondering if this is canon or not, know Minecraft seems to operate under Pokémon logic, where the games and novels both follow the same worldbuilding, even if the events don't technically canonically happen, so yeah, it's pseudo-canon.)

 

[Arkenis]

Another thing we know from the trailers is that respawning is canon, and the players' bodies do canonically poof into smoke when they die. So, with ALL OF THAT, I'm wondering what level of resurrection this brings and whether or not the player healing from the wither effect counts for soul healing

Unless you're going to argue mobs/characters are also capable of completely vaporizing the body with their hits, then its still just regular res.

 

[IDK3465]

Unless you're going to argue mobs/characters are also capable of completely vaporizing the body with their hits, then its still just regular res.

Doesn't all resurrection need to list a level to it, though? I just wanna know what level this thing is at, so I can finish my profile mockup
Also, no, I don't claim the attacking Mobs are the ones that are doing this, it's just a unique quirk of how the Minecraft characters operate.

 

[Arkenis]

Doesn't all resurrection need to list a level to it, though? I just wanna know what level this thing is at, so I can finish my profile mockup

It's just res, there's no level for this.

Also, no, I don't claim the attacking Mobs are the ones that are doing this, it's just a unique quirk of how the Minecraft characters operate.

Then its not useful for anything

 

[IDK3465]

It's just res, there's no level for this.

I thought the only reason some profiles don't list the level of resurrection is that the profile creator forgot to. Are we really just able to list it as tierless like that?

 

[Arkenis]

I thought the only reason some profiles don't list the level of resurrection is that the profile creator forgot to. Are we really just able to list it as tierless like that?

No some res is just res.

 

[IDK3465]

No some res is just res.

I think that's kinda bs but ok ig

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Doesn't all resurrection need to list a level to it, though?

It was accepted that Resurrection and Immortality would use the same system as regeneration years ago and, as far as I am aware, it was never unaccepted. So technically you are correct. Also while it was later removed from the current page, it was seemingly due to it being seen as redundant due to the line above being:

In many cases, self-resurrection may take too long to be combat applicable, but it still exists. The ability has similar limitations to regeneration, and one should not assume that, because a character has never failed to resurrect, that they can resurrect regardless of how they've been killed.

 

[Arkenis]

Right but he's wondering about the regen level he can put. He hasn't shown much outside of them going poof when they die which leads to arguing everything can vaporize each other or have some hax for it.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Right but he's wondering about the regen level he can put. He hasn't shown much outside of them going poof when they die which leads to arguing everything can vaporize each other or have some hax for it.

I don't think the argument is that "everything can vaporize each other or have some hax for it", as the smoke seems to be something that happens as an aftermath of death in the world of minecraft and not as a result of any character's abilities, as it happens from basically any source of damage including falling or burning in lava and it doesn't happen when someone like a Villager turns undead instead of dying proper.

And besides, the main point of the post was Mid-Godly due to the Wither effect destroying their soul and mind and that being the primary cause of death, which it can be.

Ok, so basically, withering is said to drain the life force and "vigor" from its victims, and the Wither uses this life energy to heal itself. We also know that souls empower the Wither because it is constructed from soul sand. Due to other quotes regarding how Ender Pearls (which contain/are the souls of Endermen) are the very heart of an Enderman's being, giving them life and consciousness, how souls can commune with the living after death, and just generally how important souls are to the lore, it's safe to say souls, life energy, and consciousness are meant to be the same thing in MC.

Another thing we know from the trailers is that respawning is canon, and the players' bodies do canonically poof into smoke when they die. So, with ALL OF THAT SAID, I'm wondering what level of resurrection this brings and whether or not the player healing from the wither effect counts for soul healing.

(P.S. If you're wondering if this is canon or not, know Minecraft seems to operate under Pokémon logic, where the games and novels both follow the same worldbuilding, even if the events don't technically canonically happen, so yeah, it's pseudo-canon.)

Well I can see the argument for Low-Godly with Soul Destruction, but I'm unsure about the consciousness/mind stuff. Is it because souls can communicate with the living that they should have minds?

 

[IDK3465]

Well I can see the argument for Low-Godly with Soul Destruction, but I'm unsure about the consciousness/mind stuff. Is it because souls can communicate with the living that they should have minds?

Pretty much yeah, but there's also this quote that seems to imply further that minds are connected to souls, though you could also argue it's more metaphorical since the quote just comes from a character trying to connect emotionally with a Zombie Horse rather than literally being face-to-face with a ghost or smth
Admittedly, I was kinda grasping at straws back there since I noticed the soul stuff, so I thought "ooh, maybe I can get Mid-Godly!" But, if I just get Low-Godly or soul healing from this, I'd be fine with that too

 

[Arkenis]

I don't think the argument is that "everything can vaporize each other or have some hax for it", as the smoke seems to be something that happens as an aftermath of death in the world of minecraft and not as a result of any character's abilities, as it happens from basically any source of damage including falling or burning in lava and it doesn't happen when someone like a Villager turns undead instead of dying proper.

That is where the argument leads. If it is just an aftermath then it has nothing do with the level of res.

 

[IDK3465]

That is where the argument leads. If it is just an aftermath then it has nothing do with the level of res.

It doesn't matter what causes the body to be destroyed, so long as a new body is formed upon the previous one's destruction, that affects the level of resurrection.

But if you're still really disagreeing with that argument, I'd love to know what level of res you'd propose. I don't care if you think a level should be listed or not, I just wanna know what level you'd choose if you absolutely had to pick one.

 

[Arkenis]

It doesn't matter what causes the body to be destroyed, so long as a new body is formed upon the previous one's destruction, that affects the level of resurrection.

No that isn't how it works and thats just a cop out to get a level of res/regen without the actual level being done. This is why I say you're inevitably arguing the characters can just vaporize one another when you show the scene of their bodies going poof. If the videos are canon then that is just a mechanic of the story/game. What level they can res from is up in the air.

But if you're still really disagreeing with that argument, I'd love to know what level of res you'd propose. I don't care if you think a level should be listed or not, I just wanna know what level you'd choose if you absolutely had to pick one.

I wouldn't pick one cuz there's nothing to go off from the stuff you given. No one here gets destroyed to just their soul or gets destroyed atomically or molecular or whatever. They just die and vanish through visual shit. Just had this similar thing come up for Re:zero spirits, arguing low godly regen cuz the characters can manifest their own body without ever showing they get destroyed to that level and its a lame excuse to slap on a high level.

 

[IDK3465]

No that isn't how it works and thats just a cop out to get a level of res/regen without the actual level being done. This is why I say you're inevitably arguing the characters can just vaporize one another when you show the scene of their bodies going poof. If the videos are canon then that is just a mechanic of the story/game. What level they can res from is up in the air.


I wouldn't pick one cuz there's nothing to go off from the stuff you given. No one here gets destroyed to just their soul or gets destroyed atomically or molecular or whatever. They just die and vanish through visual shit. Just had this similar thing come up for Re:zero spirits, arguing low godly regen cuz the characters can manifest their own body without ever showing they get destroyed to that level and its a lame excuse to slap on a high level.

Know what, since you seem pretty agitated about this, how about we ignore the Low-Godly stuff and instead go for Mid-High res from coming back from lava/fire? I mean, the death message literally says "burnt to a crisp," so idk, I think it can work

 

[Arkenis]

Know what, since you seem pretty agitated about this, how about we ignore the Low-Godly stuff and instead go for Mid-High res from coming back from lava/fire? I mean, the death message literally says "burnt to a crisp," so idk, I think it can work

Yeah. The soul stuff should just be regeneration of the soul or healing.