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Bomb Battle (Yang Xiao Long vs Reze) - 3-4-0

Reze!!!
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Yang scales to 249.48 tons while being far higher with her bombs and is resistant to the heat from Reze's explosions. While she lacks range compared to Reze, she has superior reaction speed. Much of the damage from Reze's attacks would be mitigated by Yang's Aura. They are roughly equal in skill, and Yang can grow stronger during battle, which could give her a slight advantage as the fight progresses.



However, Reze scales above 443.66 tons, is more acrobatic, and has superior mobility both in the air and on the ground. She also has a significant range advantage and is resistant to Yang's attacks. Reze's regeneration allows her to recover from Yang's attacks easily , with Yang's strongest attack coming from her bombs that she needs to stick onto you which Reze can counter by removing the limb which the bombs are on or just regenerating through them.



Even if Yang can land hits, Reze's Instinctive Action helps compensate for Yang's superior reaction speed by making her harder to catch off guard. Combined with her higher scaling, mobility, range, and regeneration, I don’t see how Yang wins.
 
That seems like a massive game changer to me.
Not really Reze out ranges Yang even if they get close enough for cqc and Yang starts beating her she can just explode make distance and snipe

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Never mind Yang has greater distance so if Reze moves away she can just keep pressuring Reze to heal until she dies.
 
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I have to give it to Reze. Yang might have better hand to hand and durability (maybe) but Reze's regen will make up for that. She also has way wide attack range and destructive power. Yang COULD try to barrage her with shots but she'll run out of ammo eventually and Reze would stay behind cover or even try to hide as a human for a bit.

Yang likely could hold her own for a bit, but by herself I don't think she could kill Reze, it'd have to be a group effort.
 
I have to give it to Reze. Yang might have better hand to hand and durability (maybe) but Reze's regen will make up for that. She also has way wide attack range and destructive power. Yang COULD try to barrage her with shots but she'll run out of ammo eventually and Reze would stay behind cover or even try to hide as a human for a bit.

Yang likely could hold her own for a bit, but by herself I don't think she could kill Reze, it'd have to be a group effort.
She needs blood to heal and there are no people to drink blood from around here unless the OP says so because she most certainly isn't drawing blood from Yang with her Aura still up.
 
She needs blood to heal and there are no people to drink blood from around here unless the OP says so because she most certainly isn't drawing blood from Yang with her Aura still up.
She can just use the blood already in her body to regenerate. Not voting btw
 
She needs blood to heal and there are no people to drink blood from around here unless the OP says so because she most certainly isn't drawing blood from Yang with her Aura still up.
OP said sba and put tokyo. We assume there's people around. Anything else is just limiting a basic trait of the character lol
 
Regeneration for Devils works like a fuel tank system. They can continue to regenerate as long as they have enough blood in their bodies. Once they become anemic, they will need to refuel their tank by drinking more blood.
 
OP said sba and put tokyo. We assume there's people around. Anything else is just limiting a basic trait of the character lol
I'm like 99% certain we don't actually assume there are non-combatants around in places unless the OP said so. This was a pretty common argument that needed staff threads made years ago.
 
Does Reze usually prefer to go ranged immediately? Or does she start with CQC?

Additionally, Reze seems to mainly attack with Explosions, and not only is Yang resistant to explosions/heat, but if Reze's bombs don't directly hit Yang in the center, then the damage of that explosion will heavily be reduced (Square law or some shit).

Can she like, keep getting her body destroyed constantly and still regenerate for a long time without a problem, or is there like a limit? I know that she can regenerate as long as there is blood in her body, but how long does it usually take for that to be emptied/low? Because from what I'm seeing here, not only will Reze struggle heavily to even touch Yang (sans the explosions, but I doubt even those will directly hit her, ie decreasing the damage heavily), but if she comes close, one grab and Reze is basically never getting out due to skill difference and the immense LS difference. Though she can apparently just, detach her body parts at will apparently, which will make it harder for Yang, so eh.

Not voting yet, since I don't know much about Reze.
 
So basically this becomes a race of who runs out of their source of AP/Dura first.
Either Yang's aura runs out and she becomes vulnerable, or Reze's bloodsupply goes low and she can't regen anymore.

In which case it's a bit tighter but i'd still give it to Reze. We saw Yang reach her limits several times before, she isn't that durable. She is just very good at taking in the damage and dishing it back even more to end the fight before she can't take more hits. She never really won by outlasting an opponent, as far as I recall.
 
So basically this becomes a race of who runs out of their source of AP/Dura first.
Either Yang's aura runs out and she becomes vulnerable, or Reze's bloodsupply goes low and she can't regen anymore.

In which case it's a bit tighter but i'd still give it to Reze. We saw Yang reach her limits several times before, she isn't that durable. She is just very good at taking in the damage and dishing it back even more to end the fight before she can't take more hits. She never really won by outlasting an opponent, as far as I recall.
She doesn't really need to outlast Reze when she can just read her every move like a book from the sheer skill gap. The only real problem is Reze's AOE but Yang resists explosions anyways so Reze's main method of attack is heavily mitigated despite being stronger than Yang is.
 
Considering Yang is so much more superior than Reze in the skill department, should scale higher than the 200 tons feat, since that feat was done relatively early on (ie a key or two before the one we're using), can get stronger, and massive LS advantage, I'd honestly say she got this. Reze's AOE explosions, if not a direct hit, technically shouldn't even do that much damage (assuming Yang doesn't just straight up dodge them lmao). Nevermind the fact that she resists explosions.

Currently voting Yang. Also, I noticed that Reze's attack range is apparently tens of meters only?
 
Yang starts 1.8x weaker than Reze's explosions and around 2.2x weaker than Reze's dura and stronger explosives, so the AP ap gap isn't crazy large. And if I'm not mistaken, Yang does upscale from her value in this key so that + Burn should cover the difference. Yang is def more experienced and skilled, and considering her large LS advantage and Analytical Prediction, Reze's prob isn't gonna do well in CQC against her, Reze could try and fight at a distance, but Yang has a higher range for some reason and could prob take out Reze's projectiles with her own as well as match her ability to propel herself with explosions. A big advantage Reze does have here is her regen, which Yang has no good way around if Reze has a consistent way to get blood. Although due to her aura, it's unlikely that she'll get any from Yang mid-fight, and since OP didn't say there were citizens around Reze has no other means of getting extra blood to regen from. Yang can blow Reze up with shots from Ember Celica, and it's sticky bombs and force Reze to regen until she's out of blood.

I think I'm gonna vote Yang rn for these reasons.
 
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True, Yang has better skill. Though I don't think she has particular resistances to explosion ? I mean aura gives her resistance to most thing and all but that's basically a big buffer to damage until it's emptied. The question is would Reze be smart enough to realize she needs to play the long game and take pot shots with long range large explosions.
If she doesn't, then yeah the win might go to Yang.
 
True, Yang has better skill. Though I don't think she has particular resistances to explosion ? I mean aura gives her resistance to most thing and all but that's basically a big buffer to damage until it's emptied. The question is would Reze be smart enough to realize she needs to play the long game and take pot shots with long range large explosions.
If she doesn't, then yeah the win might go to Yang.
Yang has better range than Reze currently so if anything Yang is better suited to play keep away here.
 
Really ? I don't remember her shots having THAT much range compared to the larger explosions I saw of Reze.
 
True, Yang has better skill. Though I don't think she has particular resistances to explosion ?
She has the dura to survive getting hit by them and resists their heat, so she should be able to take Reze's explosions.
The question is would Reze be smart enough to realize she needs to play the long game and take pot shots with long range large explosions.
That's gonna be hard since she can't really make distance since Yang can easily chase her down by propelling herself and has a higher range, which she can use to shoot her out of the air.
Really ? I don't remember her shots having THAT much range compared to the larger explosions I saw of Reze.
While Reze's explosions are larger, Yang's bullets reach farther than they can.
 
Uh, I really thought Reze has more than this.
She definitely does, the last time the range section was adjusted was in 24. Going with feats, Reze should easily have Hundreds of Meters of range.

Also I see everyone mentioning Yang having a skill gap, could anyone elaborate on why?
 
does Yang have any sort of way to cover Reze having a 3x movement and attack speed over her with explosions?

thats not even bringing up the fact that Reze's explosion sparks and detonation literally vaporize 550 Tons of TNT level armor without much trouble so once she starts pulling those out, Yang is gonna either get one-shotted or have her limbs blown off quite easily
 
does Yang have any sort of way to cover Reze having a 3x movement and attack speed over her with explosions?
Yang is good at reading her opponent's moves on top of her skill advantage, so she can likely read when Reze is gonna throw an explosion at her and avoid it. If Reze tries to propel herself away with explosions, Yang can just grab her and prevent her from flying away with her massive LS advantage.
thats not even bringing up the fact that Reze's explosion sparks and detonation literally vaporize 550 Tons of TNT level armor without much trouble so once she starts pulling those out, Yang is gonna either get one-shotted or have her limbs blown off quite easily
Her Aura should protect her from the blasts since it can tank attacks stronger than the user's, and if she's using Burn, it can boost her dura to the point it can no-sell hits from comparable characters. Reze self-detonating vs Yang prob isn't a good play since she can just avoid it or blast away her body and head if she throws it, so she'd just end up wasting blood. The sparks are dangerous, but Yang could read when Reze's about to use one to avoid it or keep herself close to Reze to constantly pressure her so she can't use it.
 
It's important to remember that Aura is a very finite ressource. Sure she doesn't take (much, if any) actual damage as long as it's up, but each attack that it tanks for her depletes the reserve. It's pretty much her actual HP in a sense, past that she has more or less human durability. (I mean that's why she lost an arm to begin with)

I do aggree she got skill and that can give her the edge in the long run, she has a real shot at this
 
It's important to remember that Aura is a very finite ressource. Sure she doesn't take (much, if any) actual damage as long as it's up, but each attack that it tanks for her depletes the reserve. It's pretty much her actual HP in a sense, past that she has more or less human durability. (I mean that's why she lost an arm to begin with)

I do aggree she got skill and that can give her the edge in the long run, she has a real shot at this
Her durability still scales to her striking strength without her aura on, she just doesn't have a forcefield after she runs out of aura.
 
After looking at both profiles, I think Reze winning is much, much more likely in my eyes.

Starting with the values, Yang's normal AP is above 249.48 tons, while Reze's regular explosions scale above 443.66 tons due to being able to blow gaping holes into characters on that same level. Reze's durability and self-detonation sit at 550 tons, with her torpedoes and explosive sparks scaling even higher than that. The torpedoes and sparks are not really minor side options either, as her torpedoes are wide AOE explosive attacks that can gore characters around her regular explosion level, while the sparks can outright vaporize targets around that same level. So Reze has stronger attacks that are genuinely nasty for Yang to keep taking and they can easily gore her and put her under crazy damage pressure.

This also makes Reze's durability advantage more viable considering Yang starts at 249.48 tons, while Reze can withstand damage from her torpedoes, which are above 550 tons in potency and as I said above, can gore characters who are 443 tons of TNT. So Yang's normal hits are not going to be doing clean major damage right away and Reze would definitely be able to take the brunt of them. This matters because Yang does not only have to damage Reze but damage her enough for Reze to even need to rely on regeneration in the first place and if Yang's normal attacks are struggling to get past Reze’s durability properly then Yang wearing her down by forcing regeneration argument becomes a lot harder to buy unless Burn has already built up.

Yang can still take hits because of Aura, which is basically her defense that lets her keep fighting before damage starts properly reaching her body. So Reze is not instantly blowing her apart while Aura is active. The issue is that Aura still runs out and Reze's kit is pretty much made to keep forcing damage over and over with explosions, sparks, torpedoes, self-detonation and body bombs. Burn is Yang's main way to deal with the AP gap. If she takes enough punishment without being overwhelmed, she can throw that energy back with more force and make her own hits much more powerful. But this still means Yang has to take damage first and that damage is coming from someone who already starts stronger than her and has stronger options above her regular explosions. So Burn gives Yang a comeback path, but it does not erase how rough the early fight is for her.

Yang's heat resistance helps a bit, but I would not treat it like she resists Reze's whole offense like y'all above have been doing. Reze's explosions are not only heat as they still have blast force, pressure, AOE and AP behind them. Yang can resist part of the attack, but she is still spending Aura to deal with the actual explosive force. Yang's own kit is still useful though. Ember Celica gives her ranged shots, mobility from the recoil of her weapon, stronger punches and aerial movement, and her Atlas bombs let her set up delayed explosions instead of only relying on h2h combat. She also has Analytical Prediction, which helps her read what Reze is doing and that is good against someone who fights with feints, traps and decoys.

Yang is also the better straightforward brawler and her Class G LS is a problem for Reze if Yang actually gets a proper hold, since Reze is only at least Class 100, so she is not physically overpowering Yang in a grapple. But grabbing Reze is still not a free win because Reze can explode from her body, self-detonate, turn body parts into bombs, detach parts of herself, or use propulsion to break away. So if Yang grabs her, Reze is definitely in a bad spot physically because she can rip her apart (not even sure she can with the new LS rules), but Yang is also holding someone who can blow up in her face and drain Aura at point blank range.

Like I said earlier, the range situation is also a little weird. By the current profile wording, Yang has the better listed range since Ember Celica reaches hundreds of meters, while Reze's explosions are listed as tens of meters. But I personally think Reze's range section is outdated, because her actual showings look much better than that. So I would give Yang the on page range advantage, but I would not act like Reze cannot contest from a distance at all.

For Reze, her main edge is how many ways she has to make the fight worse for Yang. She can make explosions from her hands, head, body, fingers and limbs, while also using explosive sparks for ranged pressure, torpedo limbs for increased and wider damage, self-detonation for close range and body bombs to punish those who keep upclose for too long, practically, Reze is not giving her a basic punch for punch fight since she is forcing her to deal with multiple threats at once.

The sparks are a bigger deal than just ranged spam since they are small projectiles that explode on contact and can vaporize characters around Reze's regular explosion level. Against Aura, that is especially useful because Yang has to keep spending Aura even when she is not taking a direct physical hit and even dodging them is not always simple due to the explosions creating additional AOE pressure (like blowing up within Yangs range). The torpedoes are arguably even worse if they land cleanly, hitting harder than her normal explosions while covering a much wider area, which means Yang cannot just keep eating them and expect Aura to hold forever. That is one of the main reasons Reze's offense feels more reliable to me, since she already has regular explosions above Yang's normal value and then follows that up with even stronger attacks that can force serious Aura loss if Yang gets caught.

Reze's explosive propulsion is also travel speed advantage rather than a reaction or combat speed boost, so it can be used here. Her transformed speed is above Mach 25.8, while her propulsion scales to Mach 81.48, making it roughly a 3.16x increase as a burst movement advantage. Because of that, Reze can launch herself away, close gaps, reposition, take aerial angles, move around buildings and avoid staying exactly where Yang wants her. This matters because Yang's best chances come from controlling the fight up close, whereas Reze's propulsion makes that much harder to maintain.

On top of that, Reze's skill also helps, as she is a trained assassin who fights dirty and efficiently even in human form by disarming people, getting behind them, choking them out, using knives and targeting limbs. In Hybrid form that becomes much more advantageous since she can combine those tactics with her Hybrid abilities. Her Instinctive Action should probably be mentioned too. For example, her decoy body was able to dodge an attack from the Fox Devil despite not having a head while she was controlling another body. Because of that, she is not helpless if pressured or caught off guard and that works very well alongside her decoys and body tricks. The decoy stuff is honestly one of her better answers to Yang's aggression. Reze is smart enough to actively build a game plan around it rather than just using it randomly, such as intentionally make it look like Yang has landed a decisive hit, leave a headless body active as a decoy and then wait for Yang to commit before detonating it at the worst possible moment. Since Yang tends to capitalize on openings and press her advantage in close quarters, Reze can exploit that tendency by baiting her into what appears to be a winning exchange and turning it into a trap instead.

Beyond that, her regeneration is another problem and I actually think it becomes even more troublesome when combined with her durability. Yang first has to get through Reze's higher durability enough for the damage to matter. Then, if the damage is serious enough, like broken bones or mutilated limbs, which are highly unlikely, Reze can regenerate from it anyway. She can recover from severe injuries, regenerate lost limbs and even come back from just her head if her pin is pulled. Hybrids can also reuse blood already inside their bodies to regenerate, so she does not need fresh blood after every single injury. Granted, there are limits since she still depends on blood, but Yang's normal attacks are not automatically pushing Reze into a losing regeneration cycle. That is the important part, because Reze is durable enough that Yang has to work for meaningful damage and even when Yang finally gets that damage in, Reze still has regeneration as a backup.

Because of all that, I think Yang's path to victory takes more effort. She has to survive the early pressure, build Burn, land stronger hits or bombs, and then capitalize with her CQC and lifting strength once Reze is actually being worn down. It can happen, but it requires time and the right openings.

By contrast
, Reze's route feels easier to picture. She starts stronger, can keep attacking Aura with AOE, has sparks and torpedoes that are far more dangerous than simple chip damage, can heal through a lot of Yang's normal damage and has multiple ways to punish Yang for getting close. Rather than needing one perfect hit, she just has to keep forcing Yang to spend Aura until that defense starts falling apart.

With that said, both have solid ways to win.

For Yang, her best arguments are Aura, Burn, Analytical Prediction, Ember Celica, Atlas bombs, her better listed range, her CQC skill and the massive LS gap. If she survives long enough to build Burn and catches Reze properly, she can turn the fight around.

For Reze, her best arguments are the higher starting AP, better durability against Yang's normal hits, AOE pressure, explosive sparks that can vaporize characters around her regular explosion level, wide torpedo attacks that hit harder than her normal explosions, propulsion, High-Mid regeneration, Instinctive Action, decoys, body bombs, and self-detonation, with a lot of those advantages directly making Yang's usual approach harder.

My opinion: I think Yang can absolutely win if she survives long enough to build Burn, capitalize on her superior cqc skill and use her LS to force favorable exchanges. Once Burn starts stacking, the AP gap becomes much less comfortable for Reze and Yang's ability to read opponents through Analytical Prediction gives her opportunities to punish mistakes.

That said, I still think Reze has the more reliable overall route to victory. She begins the fight with the AP advantage, a notable durability advantage against Yang's base attacks, High-Mid regeneration that makes wearing her down difficult, and multiple forms of explosive pressure that can continuously drain Aura. Her sparks, torpedoes, self-detonation, body bombs, decoys and explosive mobility all make it harder for Yang to consistently force the close range fight where she performs best.

Because of that, I think Reze's advantages are easier to leverage throughout the match than Yang's

So my vote goes to Reze, mid-high difficulty, roughly 7.5/10 times.
 
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