Kid Monkey vs Fox Girl (Goku vs Miyabi) (9-8-0)

[Sooshirohl]

how often does goku go for grapples/restraining in this key? there is always the possibility of him just wrangling tailless out of miyabi's hands but idk how likely he is to do that in character. like laser said if he tries clashing against tailless with the power pole there's a possibility of it just getting sliced in half. miyabi can also keep her distance if she deems it necessary and just spam out ranged slashes

 

[MannyQ361]

The power pole was able to break Tao's sword and has blocked sword strikes from enemies Goku faces as an adult, so it'd likely be able to block her sword strikes.

 

[Sooshirohl]

The power pole was able to break Tao's sword and has blocked sword strikes from enemies Goku faces as an adult, so it'd likely be able to block her sword strikes.

tbf, those seem to just be basic swords, tailless is essentially a magical sword made from specialized material that shoots out energy attacks and also emits fire, so i think it's a little hard to say how well the power pole would be able to contend against a sword like that

anyways, taking another look at stats, both upscale from their values but goku's sitting at 9.63 kilotons whereas miyabi's at 10.68 kilotons which gives her the advantage, not to mention the fact that she can continuously stack damage as she continues to attack. goku's AP value scales higher with the kamehameha but i don't really see it being able to directly hit miyabi with how agile she is. on the other hand, goku has a pretty massive LS advantage being class T while miyabi's only class M, so that's a pretty sizable advantage

goku's profile doesn't show how acrobatic he is but considering miyabi can do stuff like effortlessly jump hundreds of feet in the air and also fight hundreds of enemies while manuevering through obstacles i'm inclined to believe that she's the more acrobatic of the two here. goku should be more skilled but i don't think miyabi is completely outclassed to the point of not being able to contend at all, and her being the more experienced fighter between the two of them helps with that. both have enhanced senses, both have AD (though i would still argue goku's is probably more useful here), and goku also has analytical prediction which is useful

on the contrary, miyabi can hamper goku down with her ice manip, which'd slow him down and make him take more damage to her attacks, and has SW to keep herself fighting. she also still has the potential to just one shot with her hollow cutting attack if it comes down to it (though i don't think she'd resort to using that here for aforementioned reasons)

if goku hasn't shown any strong resistance to piercing/slicing attacks then i could see him getting overwhelmed pretty quickly in a close quarters encounter, especially given how fast and relentless miyabi is and the fact that she should generally have the AP advantage over him. coupled with the damage stacking and freezing, and i think goku's going to get worn down really quickly if he takes even a single flurry of attacks from miyabi. miyabi should also be fast and agile enough to react to anything goku tries throwing at her. not sure how the power pole's extension speed is treated here but assuming it's equalized alongside everything else then miyabi shouldn't have trouble dodging it if goku tries extending it at her (and like previously mentioned there's always the possibility of miyabi just being able to slice it in half). ki attacks shouldn't pose too much of an issue as miyabi can just dodge them or counter them with her own ranged slashes, and like i said earlier i don't really see miyabi getting tagged by the kamehameha. goku's mobility options like the nimbus or extending himself away with the power pole are also kind of just negated by the fact that again, miyabi can just casually jump hundreds of feet in the air without breaking a sweat, so i don't really think goku would even be able to create distance between them if he wanted to. even then, miyabi can just match his hundreds of meters range with her own, so fighting from range wouldn't be an issue for her.

goku's best bet would probably be to either restrain miyabi with his massive LS advantage or outlast her in a prolonged battle of attrition. if he's getting overwhelmed by attacks i could see him maybe trying to wrangle tailless away from her, though i don't know how in character that is for him and a single rush of attacks might already leave him in pretty bad condition. and again i don't really know how feasible trying to win a prolonged battle is given how aggressive of a fighter miyabi is

 

[MannyQ361]

Well the power pole was able to endure the heat from this furnace, so it might hold up. As for acrobatics, Goku was able to jump high into the air and maneuver through it. But to avoid getting overwhelmed by Miyabi's attacks, he can try to throw her off with some afterimages.

 

[LaserPrecision]

The power pole was able to break Tao's sword and has blocked sword strikes from enemies Goku faces as an adult, so it'd likely be able to block her sword strikes.

Isn't Goku also literally stronger than those people? Here his opponent is stronger, meaning her sword is more durable than he or his Power Pole is. It wouldn't be the one breaking.

That said, if it's deemed she can't cut through the power pole even with the ap advantage, she could just launch a space slicing attack to split Power Pole in half and chop a limb off in the process. Goku wouldn't know it cuts space anyways and think it can be parried.

 

[Sooshirohl]

Well the power pole was able to endure the heat from this furnace, so it might hold up.

i'm moreso arguing the power pole could get chopped in half just off of miyabi being stronger, not because of it's fire manip

As for acrobatics, Goku was able to jump high into the air and maneuver through it

the jumping showings are good, although i'd need to see more to be convinced that he could match miyabi's maneuverability through obstacles/enemies

Well the power pole was able to endure the heat from this furnace, so it might hold up. As for acrobatics, Goku was able to jump high into the air and maneuver through it. But to avoid getting overwhelmed by Miyabi's attacks, he can try to throw her off with some afterimages.

i'd imagine miyabi's enhanced senses could probably help her discern the real goku from the afterimages. even if not, she has massive AOE attacks that she can use to just attack em all at once if goku decides to make a bunch to try and throw her off

 

[MannyQ361]

Isn't Goku also literally stronger than those people? Here his opponent is stronger, meaning her sword is more durable than he or his Power Pole is. It wouldn't be the one breaking.

The power pole's durability seemed to differ from Goku's, being able to block attacks he dodged with concern, so it might at least take a few strikes. Not sure if the scaling is viable for the power pole's durability, but it did handle strikes from enemies that fought Beginning of Z Goku.

the jumping showings are good, although i'd need to see more to be convinced that he could match miyabi's maneuverability through obstacles/enemies

Goku can fly with his tail, but he can also summon the nimbus cloud for additional support.

i'd imagine miyabi's enhanced senses could probably help her discern the real goku from the afterimages. even if not, she has massive AOE attacks that she can use to just attack em all at once if goku decides to make a bunch to try and throw her off

While he doesn't have the solar flare at this point, the Kamehameha can have blinding effect that he can use to create openings to attack.

 

[Sooshirohl]

The power pole's durability seemed to differ from Goku's, being able to block attacks he dodged with concern, so it might at least take a few strikes. Not sure if the scaling is viable for the power pole's durability, but it did handle strikes from enemies that fought Beginning of Z Goku.

i'm not really sure if the BoZ scaling for it would apply here but it'd make sense given it's the same weapon and i don't think it got like, reinforced or anything afaik so that makes sense

Goku can fly with his tail, but he can also summon the nimbus cloud for additional support.

again, good that he has multiple methods of traveling through the air but miyabi's fought against flying opponents before and she could literally just jump once to reach him if he flies with his tail or the nimbus, so i don't think either are giving her too much issue. she could also just chop goku's tail off if she wanted to to hinder his movement more

While he doesn't have the solar flare at this point, the Kamehameha can have blinding effect that he can use to create openings to attack

even if miyabi got blinded she still has her other senses to help her react to and avoid attacks accordingly (namely her enhanced hearing). i assume the blinding is also only a temporary thing so at best i think it'd just mildly inconvenience her the first time, and if goku tried doing it again she'd be smart enough to shield her eyes to avoid getting blinded again

 

[MannyQ361]

Fair enough, so looks like it'd come down to a battle of attribution.

 

[Sooshirohl]

goku certainly could win a battle of attrition with his superior stamina, the issue is just that miyabi's going to make actually getting to that point really hard with how aggressive of a fighter she is. she is pretty much constantly going to be on goku 24/7 and is basically gonna give him no time to breathe at all, and trying to create distance with stuff like the nimbus and power pole isn't really going to work either considering how agile she is. i'm also more inclined to believe that miyabi would be less affected by taking blunt force attacks from goku's punches and whatnot than goku getting slashed dozens of times by miyabi's attacks, especially if he hasn't shown any particularly strong showings of piercing/slashing resistance by this point. miyabi even landing a single good flurry of slashes would hamper goku down a lot, coupled with the constant freezing that tailless is going to be inflicting on him, which is only going to wear him down as the fight progresses and make actually prolonging the fight long enough to outlast miyabi harder for him.

goku essentially just has to take as little damage as possible while also fighting and trying to wear down an opponent he's weaker than, which i'm just not really sure i can see being super easy for him even despite how skilled he is. like i mentioned earlier on while goku is more skilled i don't think miyabi is outclassed in skill to the point of being completely skill mogged, and her experience at this point should help with the skill difference. the act of actually keeping miyabi down is also going to be hard thanks to her SW, she's pretty much going to keep fighting as long as she has the ability to get up and do so. also, kind of forgot about it, but while you could argue the power pole being able to deflect base attacks from tailless, miyabi could 100% just slice it in half with her spatial cut, which'd limit goku's options more

i actually think i'm gonna change my vote to miyabi ngl. massive AOE slashing attacks + freezing is really going to wear goku down quickly so i can't see him being in good enough condition to try and outlast miyabi in a prolonged fight, especially if miyabi is only going to continue racking up damage and increasing her strength as the fight progresses. she probably wouldn't kill goku but she could certainly hurt him enough to just render him unconscious or something like that

 

[LaserPrecision]

We're also forgeting severe bleeding damage would drastically drop Goku's stamina. Assuming she like cut an arm off or smth. Goku has limited blood.

 

[MannyQ361]

Yeah, seems piercing damage would be a good way for Miyabi to wear him down. Goku can be hard to keep down with blunt force but enough cuts and blood loss would get to him in a similar way blood loss got to Krillin.

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

 

[MannyQ361]

Voting Miyaba fra. Don't think Goku has displayed resistance to piercing damage at this point, so he'd have to take Miyabi down before getting worn down, which would be difficult with the AOE attacks.

 

[GodEarh206]

ZZZ Fox Waifu FRA

 

[Apotheosis69]

going with Goku FRA

 

[shootingrock]

Scam-Victim Fox fra

 

[Sooshirohl]

bump

 

[Nonynho]

Goku seems to take this 55% of the time, so i'll vote him FRA

 

[AyOgUyS]

I'm remaining with the Gokubros.

 

[Pyro9278]

Goku seems to take this 55% of the time, so i'll vote him FRA

I'm remaining with the Gokubros.

Both votes counted. I'd like to know, though, what you think about Goku potentially losing to slashing attacks or resisting them? That's Miyabi's main wincon.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I'd like to know, though, what you think about Goku potentially losing to slashing attacks or resisting them? That's Miyabi's main wincon.

I think Goku is skilled enough to the point where he won't be hit that often and even if he does he's pushed through grevious injuries before.

 

[Gp972]

Going with goku

 

[LaserPrecision]

I think Goku is skilled enough to the point where he won't be hit that often and even if he does he's pushed through grevious injuries before.

How grievous, because the profile lacks scans for pain endurance (Which is weird because IIRC it states feats that exists but provides no scans for them).

 

[Ball_of_light]

I don't see why Goku doesn't win this... Going Goku.

 

[AyOgUyS]

How grievous, because the profile lacks scans for pain endurance (Which is weird because IIRC it states feats that exists but provides no scans for them).

Maybe it's just outdated or something but I vaguely remember Goku being capable of fighting even without all his limbs. Dunno the details tho but Power Pole should help keep Miyabi at bay.

 

[Gp972]

Maybe it's just outdated or something but I vaguely remember Goku being capable of fighting even without all his limbs. Dunno the details tho but Power Pole should help keep Miyabi at bay.

Goku killed King Piccolo with only one arm; his legs and other arm were broken or badly injured.

 

[Nonynho]

Yeah i was also going to try talking about it

 

[Sooshirohl]

Maybe it's just outdated or something but I vaguely remember Goku being capable of fighting even without all his limbs. Dunno the details tho but Power Pole should help keep Miyabi at bay.

i already talked about the power pole but i don't really think it'd help to keep miyabi at bay considering her own agility and skill, and worst comes to worst if it's troubling her that much she can just slice it in half with a spatial cut

Goku killed King Piccolo with only one arm; his legs and other arm were broken or badly injured.

not to discount this because it is very impressive but i do think this is slightly different than being cut dozens of times and essentially bleeding out from multiple places all at once. i don't doubt that goku can power through and keep fighting even while grievously injured but being sliced dozens of times is undoubtedly going to slow him down, and miyabi is just going to keep that pressure on him constantly as he gets more and more worn down. and if the worst case scenario comes where miyabi ends up chopping goku's limbs off then i think that's just going to wear him down even more on top of limiting his ability to fight back

 

[TauanVictor]

Miyabi FRA

 

[AyOgUyS]

i already talked about the power pole but i don't really think it'd help to keep miyabi at bay considering her own agility and skill, and worst comes to worst if it's troubling her that much she can just slice it in half with a spatial cut

can’t the power pole just continue to extend even if cut in half?

 

[Sooshirohl]

can’t the power pole just continue to extend even if cut in half?

i mean, i guess it maybe could? i'm not really sure about the nitty gritty details of it, i sort of just assumed breaking it would just render it unusable. but i guess in a best case scenario maybe goku could dual wield power poles lol

 

[LaserPrecision]

Maybe it's just outdated or something but I vaguely remember Goku being capable of fighting even without all his limbs. Dunno the details tho but Power Pole should help keep Miyabi at bay.

Goku killed King Piccolo with only one arm; his legs and other arm were broken or badly injured.

Fighting with broken limbs is significantly different than fighting with limbs chopped off. The difference is you are bleeding out very rapidly and will pass out from blood loss within like a minute, if not less (I nearly passed out from blood loss from just accidentally cutting my finger open when I was younger, let alone an arm).

Someone sent a clip of Krillin passing out from a few holes on his head spurting out blood and that didn't take long at all. Imagine Goku having a limb chopped off. Even if not chopped off but just a deep cut, the blood loss is going to build up like it did with Krillin.

 

[Gp972]

Fighting with broken limbs is significantly different than fighting with limbs chopped off. The difference is you are bleeding out very rapidly and will pass out from blood loss within like a minute, if not less (I nearly passed out from blood lost just accidentally cutting my fingers open when I was younger, let alone an arm).

Someone sent a clip of Krillin passing out from a few holes on his head spurting out blood and that didn't take long at all. Imagine Goku having a limb chopped off. Even if not chopped off but just a deep cut, the blood loss is going to build up like it did with Krillin.

I think this is the closest thing, Goku With all his limbs broken and a bleeding hole in his chest .

 

[LaserPrecision]

I think this is the closest thing, Goku With all his limbs broken and a bleeding hole in his chest .

Seems a bit closer to the shoulder, but that's not bad. He looks exhausted tho and he's not bleeding as much as someone who lost an entire arm would be. I imagine he can fight for a little bit while bleeding out profusely, but it's definitely not something that's sustainable compared to a broken limb.

 

[Sooshirohl]

i think it's also just, again, miyabi is an extremely aggressive fighter, so she's not going to give goku any room to breathe if he gets injured, and any attempts to distance himself from her with stuff like the power pole or the flying nimbus aren't really going to help much considering how agile she is

just can't really see goku lasting that long while bleeding out profusely, or worse with any limbs missing, even as resilient as he may be

 

[Pyro9278]

I think Miyabi has proven to have very good win conditions, but I believe Goku has the upper hand even though he hasn't dealt much with sword users. Here are the reasons I'm going to emphasize:

• Best BIQ: Goku is no passive opponent, and he's certainly not going to let Miyabi land a single blow with his sword. In fact, he's already faced opponents comparable to Miyabi who wield weapons, as was the case in his first encounter with Yamcha, whom he easily overpowered, though that's beside the point. His true feat is defeating Tao Pai Pai, who was overwhelming him, going from being beaten to being able to read his attacks with AnPr. This same Tao Pai Pai is a professional assassin capable of killing General Blue with a single pressure point attack and can levitate several meters high using a pillar. If Miyabi were to attempt a direct kill, Goku would most likely be able to react, anticipate the attack, and flank him immediately. He's not so trusting as to let himself be cut. He'll quickly learn Miyabi's fighting style and eventually find a way to outmaneuver him.
• Ki Manipulation: Goku can power himself up using only Ki, increasing damage with Ki blasts and even damaging Miyabi's soul, something she doesn't seem to be able to withstand. The only condition for this is that the Kamehameha is an attack that needs to be charged; however, if Goku manages to use it, it will most likely be a one-shot attack.
• AD: The gap between Goku and Miyabi is too small, and while this wouldn't be a problem for Miyabi and his AP since he can still damage Goku with his slashing attacks, it will be a problem for his durability or even that of his weapon, much more considering that he already has a speed advantage and Goku would gain not only an AP/durability advantage but also potentially a speed advantage.
• Power Pole: The fact that Goku possesses the Power Pole is being significantly underestimated. It not only grants Goku a reach advantage that could prevent Miyabi from landing several potentially fatal blows, but also grants him a much higher attack speed when using the Power Pole's extension. While the speed of the Power Pole itself only equalizes the characters' combat speed, the speed of the Power Pole should remain the same. This implies that if Goku comes under too much pressure, or if Miyabi decides to launch a full-scale attack with his sword, the Power Pole will be his first option.
• Massive LS advantage: It's already been mentioned, but I'll emphasize it since it seems to be going unnoticed. Miyabi is a weapon user, and she's threatening Goku with deadly cuts. If Goku has the advantage of Light Force and a weapon with a longer reach... the first thing that will occur to him is to disarm Miyabi. Even if we assume he won't, nothing prevents him from accidentally using Ragdoll on her during the fight.
• Advantage in Close Combat: I'll reiterate, Goku has the advantage in combat skill, both in hand-to-hand combat and very likely in armed combat. It might not be overpowered, but Goku should definitely be able to handle all of Miyabi's melee attacks. His race was literally born to fight aggressively, and an aggressive style won't cause him too many problems if he can adapt to it (not ironically, his AD) and counter it with better maneuvers, techniques, or improvisations.

Edit: In short, I don't see Goku suffering a wound fatal enough to bleed to death or be knocked out of the fight. Even if he were injured and bled, it would only motivate him to act more cunningly and cautiously.

 

[MannyQ361]

Fighting with broken limbs is significantly different than fighting with limbs chopped off. The difference is you are bleeding out very rapidly and will pass out from blood loss within like a minute, if not less (I nearly passed out from blood loss from just accidentally cutting my finger open when I was younger, let alone an arm).

Someone sent a clip of Krillin passing out from a few holes on his head spurting out blood and that didn't take long at all. Imagine Goku having a limb chopped off. Even if not chopped off but just a deep cut, the blood loss is going to build up like it did with Krillin.

There is this example where Tien lost his arm and managed to keep fighting, though it is later showing. It still would be disadvantageous to lose a limb, but Goku also has his tail to aid him in combat.

 

[Pyro9278]

There is this example where Tien lost his arm and managed to keep fighting, though it is later showing. It still would be disadvantageous to lose a limb, but Goku also has his tail to aid him in combat.

I don't know if comparing Tien to Goku makes sense when it's a feat of endurance. Anyway, it's more likely that Goku could defeat Miyabi before bleeding out than that Miyabi would manage to incapacitate Goku or cause him to bleed to death.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Best BIQ: Goku is no passive opponent, and he's certainly not going to let Miyabi land a single blow with his sword. In fact, he's already faced opponents comparable to Miyabi who wield weapons, as was the case in his first encounter with Yamcha, whom he easily overpowered, though that's beside the point.

Yeah, overpowered someone weaker than him. You can't exactly overpower someone stronger than you (Unless you exhaust them first anyways).

His true feat is defeating Tao Pai Pai, who was overwhelming him, going from being beaten to being able to read his attacks with AnPr. This same Tao Pai Pai is a professional assassin capable of killing General Blue with a single pressure point attack and can levitate several meters high using a pillar.

The Analytical Prediction is decent, but as you said that required him being overwhelmed at first. The difference is being overwhelmed at the start is fatal for Goku because Miyabi has a sharp weapon and an AP advantage. He's at best getting a deep cut that causes deep arterial bleeding, at worst losing a limb at two and spewing blood like a hose. Both of which would cause his stamina to dwindle quickly. The rest are hardly skill feats that matter. Killing someone with a pressure point hardly means much, and levitating with a pillar doesn't come even close to matching Miyabi's acrobatics.

If Miyabi were to attempt a direct kill, Goku would most likely be able to react, anticipate the attack, and flank him immediately. He's not so trusting as to let himself be cut. He'll quickly learn Miyabi's fighting style and eventually find a way to outmaneuver him.

I'm not sure if it's a auto-correct thing, but why do you keep calling Miyabi he? You looked at Miyabi's profile right? Also what's this about "letting himself be cut." That wasn't an argument. Miyabi's skilled, aggressive, and acrobatic enough to land a blow. Miyabi's acrobatics are beyond anything demonstrated in Dragon Ball, Goku won't handle it well because he's never faced anything on that level before.

Ki Manipulation: Goku can power himself up using only Ki, increasing damage with Ki blasts and even damaging Miyabi's soul, something she doesn't seem to be able to withstand. The only condition for this is that the Kamehameha is an attack that needs to be charged; however, if Goku manages to use it, it will most likely be a one-shot attack.

Soul damage stuff got removed a while ago IIRC. Now it's just soul NPI. It's also unlikely Miyabi gets hit by this when
1. She is extremely acrobatic and could easily weave it (especially since it needs to be charged)
2. Counter it with her own slashes, or a spatial cut that cuts the Kamehameha and Goku clean in half.

Power Pole: The fact that Goku possesses the Power Pole is being significantly underestimated. It not only grants Goku a reach advantage that could prevent Miyabi from landing several potentially fatal blows, but also grants him a much higher attack speed when using the Power Pole's extension. While the speed of the Power Pole itself only equalizes the characters' combat speed, the speed of the Power Pole should remain the same. This implies that if Goku comes under too much pressure, or if Miyabi decides to launch a full-scale attack with his sword, the Power Pole will be his first option.

Miyabi might just have the AP to cut the Power Pole in half. Even if you want to argue she doesn't despite having a cutting weapon and an ap advantage, she has spatial cuts which can negate its durability and cut the Power Pole (and Goku who wouldn't expect the Power Pole to be cleaved through so easily) in half. I would argue it's almost a disadvantage because Goku would trust in the power pole's ability and not expect it to be split so effortlessly by an attacking ignoring durability. Which would result in him getting caught in the attack and dying.

Advantage in Close Combat: I'll reiterate, Goku has the advantage in combat skill, both in hand-to-hand combat and very likely in armed combat. It might not be overpowered, but Goku should definitely be able to handle all of Miyabi's melee attacks. His race was literally born to fight aggressively, and an aggressive style won't cause him too many problems if he can adapt to it (not ironically, his AD) and counter it with better maneuvers, techniques, or improvisations.

I don't think the gap in skill is so large this matters (Goku is more skilled in H2H, I don't think anyone disagrees there. Just that the gap isn't so large that this manifests as an overwhelming issue), especially when Miyabi is infinitely more nimble, which is an advantage for her. I would recommend you watch this clip of just ONE display of her skill and acrobatics: