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Fortnite: Thor (2020) #1 is part of the canonicity

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PurposeDevine00 said:
On that last part, may i ask why?
It just so happens that the author of Thor: Nexus War is the same as Thor (2020 run) and he verbatim states the events of Nexus War (and c4s4) did happen. Fortnite themselves also obviously say the same thing.

I know it would be a big leap to say all of Marvel Comics and Fortnite are canon, but given the fact that both parties have established and stated multiple times that the events listed above really did happen inside the lore of both settings, I think it’s only fair that continuity is treated as such (canon). This is one of the clearest examples of two way canon.

And if you’re wondering about contradictions, there isn’t any because it’s all explained on both comic series runs. Three major reasons to explain the uncertainties you might find are: It happened off screen (consistent with Donny’s writing), Thor doesn’t have good memory (one of the major highlights of the earlier issues of the comic series) and last but not least The Loop (memory wipe).

You might also be wondering about how that effect the different origin stories that are presented but Donny explains that the Zero Point, in-setting is an unknown and mysterious source to the likes of Thor and the other characters. So the moment they first encountered it is all that matters as that’s when they first actually got to know it. This was done deliberately by Donny not to confuse/contradict the origin stories he himself established.

To summarize: Thor (2020-2023) and Fortnite should be considered canon as both parties acknowledge and outright confirm it and that it took place in both of their official continuity. Add in the fact that The Same Author of Both Comics came out and confirmed the canonicity of it and it becomes all too clear. But he did more than that, he added in the comics themselves explanations that would cut out any potential contradictions that could’ve been.

Both Marvel Comics/Donny Cates and Epic Games/Fortnite acknowledge and confirm this canonicity status.
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Dude, this thread isn't about making the entire Marvel cosmology part of Fortnite's story. I've already said that I don't want to argue that the whole Marvel cosmology is part of Fortnite. The discussion is only about the specific elements that are directly relevant to Fortnite's continuity and the events that are explicitly connected to it, not about treating every aspect of Marvel's cosmology as canon to Fortnite.
 
Antvasima said:
And how do you intend to upgrade the Fortnite setting as a whole based on this? 🙏
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  1. Thor's attack speed feat can be used for infinite or mftl+ attack speed for him
  2. The Black Winter which is also mentioned several times in Fortnite canonicity, would be NEP (void)
    1. More supportive for the Nothing NEP
  3. The Reality is an 2-C via 10 realms
Maybe there's more, but I don't know yet, since I'm still reviewing the feats in Thor (2020) #1. However, those things can be handled in a separate thread, because, as ActuallySpaceMan said, as long as these changes come from material that is accepted as canon within the Fortnite universe, they don't change anything regarding its canon.

So why we still need to check it when it's not even affecting the canon?
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Dude, this thread isn't about making the entire Marvel cosmology part of Fortnite's story. I've already said that I don't want to argue that the whole Marvel cosmology is part of Fortnite. The discussion is only about the specific elements that are directly relevant to Fortnite's continuity and the events that are explicitly connected to it, not about treating every aspect of Marvel's cosmology as canon to Fortnite.
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Yes, i understand. I was telling @Antvasima that Thor (2020-2023) by Donny Cates is valid to be used like you were saying.

I’ve also reviewed them and it checks out.
 
Please explain your reasoning for 10 realms and infinite attack speed. 🙏
 
I just want to be absolutely certain that we are scaling from the Fortnite cosmology, not from the Marvel cosmology. 🙏
 
Xdsagecat said:
Wait, let me get this clear, the story implies it's canon, the author says it's canon, yet we're arguing if it's canon?
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Yes, this thread was about whether Thor (2020) #1 is a canon event in Fortnite's continuity.

Other issues wouldn't be part of the continuity discussion, as there are contradictions regarding those issues.

I don't even there any issues with thread, like ActuallySpaceMan says, this thread is about reviewing if Thor 2020#1 are canon event.
 
Xdsagecat said:
Wait, let me get this clear, the story implies it's canon, the author says it's canon, yet we're arguing if it's canon?
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Yes, basically. I’m trying to explain to @Antvasima that Donny Cates and Nic Klein’s Thor run should be treated as canon even if not the whole 616 (but given the extensive amount of evidence, it really should be but at the minimum Thor (2020-23) should be and its related contents).

However, Rex only argued for Thor (2020-2023) issue #1 being canon in this thread (was accepted), not the whole comic run.

And as explained, any potential contradictions you might think there are have been addressed in some way, shape or form in the comic series themselves, the respective companies or the author himself.
 
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AyOgUyS said:
Would any of this chainscale to anyone else and if so who and how?
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But all of these don't even matter, since this thread is about "Thor 2020#1 comics are canon" again
 
Antvasima said:
And how do you intend to upgrade the Fortnite setting as a whole based on this? 🙏

@The_Impress @Tomfer

What do you think? 🙏
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The only problem I got with the OP was, like I said many times, was the lack of transparency in the thread. That was it. I didn't got any problems if some realm would be upgraded or anything like that.

But now I'm just iffy with the idea of upgrading Fortnite's Thor speed via a single Marvel comic book. Especially since Marvel here require especial rules to work.

Does Thor have other feats of infinite speed?
Does Fortnite's realms have other statements of having 10 of them?

Because, like it or not, these statements were made for the Marvel cosmology, not fortnite's. While Cates being the same writer of Thor 2020 and the Fortnite crossover is a good argument, it needs to known that he would take the Thor run way more seriously than the crossover for pretty obvious things, it's two different comics that have different writing rules, different supervisors, etc. IMO, if any verse wants to cross scale with Marvel/DC, they should inherit the rules they got in the wiki for proper scale as well.

That's all I want to say in this thread, my actual problems here were dealt with.
 
Tomfer said:
The only problem I got with the OP was, like I said many times, was the lack of transparency in the thread. That was it. I didn't got any problems if some realm would be upgraded or anything like that.

But now I'm just iffy with the idea of upgrading Fortnite's Thor speed via a single Marvel comic book. Especially since Marvel here require especial rules to work.
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This isn't about upgrading speed lol, thread is about Thor 2020#1 is only canon event to Fortnite. Thor has two speeds feats for it in Fortnite btw
Tomfer said:
Does Thor have other feats of infinite speed?
Does Fortnite's realms have other statements of having 10 of them?
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This doesn't even need to be reviewed. This thread is about canonicity, not whether Marvel's cosmology is canon or not. Contexts and feats within Fortnite's canon can be interpreted differently from how they are treated within Marvel's canon.

The best example is DBX using Hit's feat as support for Immeasurable Speed. In Dragon Ball Super, however, that same feat was rejected as evidence for Immeasurable Speed due to anti-feats. The feat ended up being treated differently in the games and in the anime.
Tomfer said:
Because, like it or not, these statements were made for the Marvel cosmology, not fortnite's. While Cates being the same writer of Thor 2020 and the Fortnite crossover is a good argument, it needs to known that he would take the Thor run way more seriously than the crossover for pretty obvious things, it's two different comics that have different writing rules, different supervisors, etc. IMO, if any verse wants to cross scale with Marvel/DC, they should inherit the rules they got in the wiki for proper scale as well.
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I don't think that argument necessarily follows. Whether a statement was originally written for Marvel's cosmology is secondary to the question of whether the crossover itself is canon and whether those elements are explicitly carried over into Fortnite's continuity.

Likewise, if Thor (2020) #1 is accepted as a canon event within Fortnite's continuity, then the relevant feats, statements, and context associated with that event should be evaluated based on how they function within Fortnite's canon, rather than being dismissed solely because they originated in a Marvel comic.

I'm not arguing that Fortnite should automatically inherit every aspect of Marvel's cosmology. Rather, the point is that canon crossover material can be used for scaling when there is a legitimate canon connection, which is already a precedent on the wiki. Any feat or statement should be judged on its own merits and consistency within the accepted canon, not rejected simply because it came from a crossover. It even matches the conditions:
For cross-verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled:

  • The works must be written by a single same person.
  • There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters.
  • The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously.
  • The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.
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Tomfer said:
That's all I want to say in this thread, my actual problems here were dealt with.
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It's not even problem, because this thread is about canonicity not even scaling
 
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Tomfer said:
The only problem I got with the OP was, like I said many times, was the lack of transparency in the thread. That was it. I didn't got any problems if some realm would be upgraded or anything like that.

But now I'm just iffy with the idea of upgrading Fortnite's Thor speed via a single Marvel comic book. Especially since Marvel here require especial rules to work.

Does Thor have other feats of infinite speed?
Does Fortnite's realms have other statements of having 10 of them?

Because, like it or not, these statements were made for the Marvel cosmology, not fortnite's. While Cates being the same writer of Thor 2020 and the Fortnite crossover is a good argument, it needs to known that he would take the Thor run way more seriously than the crossover for pretty obvious things, it's two different comics that have different writing rules, different supervisors, etc. IMO, if any verse wants to cross scale with Marvel/DC, they should inherit the rules they got in the wiki for proper scale as well.

That's all I want to say in this thread, my actual problems here were dealt with.
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it needs to known that he would take the Thor run way more seriously than the crossover for pretty obvious things, it's two different comics that have different writing rules, different supervisors, etc.
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Seriously, what type of baseless assumption is this. Are you really gonna sit here and tell me that your main counterargument is a baseless assumption that you made about the author "not caring" for a crossover? Do you know how big of a deal this was? If I asked you for evidence regarding this, you wouldn't be able to present any.

And what "different writing rules" are you specifically referring to? As far as its known and made clear by Donny himself, he wrote Thor: Nexus War to "really happen" as he was also writing Thor (2020-). Once again, you wouldn't have any evidence for this baseless assumption.

You have not presented anything that counters the previous points made. And as far as the VSBW Cross-Fiction Scaling checklist goes regarding this, It passes very well.

For cross-verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled:

The works must be written by a single same person.
There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters.
The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously.
The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.
Also, these rules should not serve as an excuse to pester authors for replies via social media.
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I'm not even going to entertain the other dude.

Rex's arguments are basically either "This isn't the thread for this" or "It's canon to fortnite", he's completely ignoring my actual problems, that have been statement multiple times already, be intentionally or not. Saying that this should not be judged here but in another thread is a poor argument since the feat itself is coming to the crossover becoming canon or not. Multi-part threads has ruined this wiki, I swear.

Also, side-note: your blog about cosmology has NO references, that alone should be enough to pause any thread, it's a REALLY bad page.

Ultimate-Rex1 said:
This doesn't even need to be reviewed. This thread is about canonicity, not whether Marvel's cosmology is canon or not. Contexts and feats within Fortnite's canon can be interpreted differently from how they are treated within Marvel's canon.
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Just answer the question, bro. It's not that hard. If his only infinite speed feat comes from a crossover and, like you stated here:
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
But all of these don't even matter, since this thread is about "Thor 2020#1 comics are canon" again
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And that the infinite speed CAN be scaled to other characters, it's going to be discussed at least.

Ultimate-Rex1 said:
The best example is DBX using Hit's feat as support for Immeasurable Speed. In Dragon Ball Super, however, that same feat was rejected as evidence for Immeasurable Speed due to anti-feats. The feat ended up being treated differently in the games and in the anime.
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Cool for them, I don't care about Dragon Ball (I'm also pretty sure that Dragon Ball is having some huge changes lately, but I couldn't be bother to actually look).

I'll be blunt, my arguments here ended with Spaceman closing this thread since he asked nicely for Rex to be clearer and open in the future. What I asked was: the OP to be clearer, to show us scaling (that he is only NOW showing) and cosmology (that he showed in a different thread). Talking about here instead of other threads is far better because this thread was shown to marvel supporters, the other did not. The other thread is filled with fortnite lore while this one is directly showing only about Marvel. "This isn't a thread to discuss" is just a poor argument.

This is my take that, for some reason, Rex continues to question it. Take that as you will. This is probably going to be my final message here.
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
About realms, you can read it here, it's comes from Thor 2020#1, but there more supports and explain in this blog about "the realms of the world/reality"

About infinite attack speed, i think it clear, as i explain comics shown that Thor can throw Mjolnir across multiple realms in "Thor 2020#1" comics
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Ten realms are from the Asgardian Marvel Comics cosmology, not from the Fortnite cosmology, and we can only scale from Thor's feats that take place within the Fortnite continuity. Othervise we apply Marvel Comics cosmology and scaling to Fortnite. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Ten realms are from the Asgardian Marvel Comics cosmology, not from the Fortnite cosmology, and we can only scale from Thor's feats that take place within the Fortnite continuity. Othervise we apply Marvel Comics cosmology and scaling to Fortnite. 🙏
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As far as I understand, the OP isn’t describing the realms as they are in Marvel cosmology, but according to Fortnite cosmology. In other words, the comic in question states that there are 10 realms, but the OP scales and defines these realms according to Fortnite cosmology—differing from how they are scaled, function, and defined in Marvel cosmology.
 
Antvasima said:
Ten realms are from the Asgardian Marvel Comics cosmology, not from the Fortnite cosmology, and we can only scale from Thor's feats that take place within the Fortnite continuity. Othervise we apply Marvel Comics cosmology and scaling to Fortnite. 🙏
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Hi Ant. Did you see my other comment? I clarified some important things.
 
ByArrow said:
As far as I understand, the OP isn’t describing the realms as they are in Marvel cosmology, but according to Fortnite cosmology. In other words, the comic in question states that there are 10 realms, but the OP scales and defines these realms according to Fortnite cosmology—differing from how they are scaled, function, and defined in Marvel cosmology.
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The comment within that comicbook clearly refers to the 10 realms of Marvel Comics' Asgard cosmology, not to anything related to Fortnite, so arguing about including it is extremely illogical and very firmly permanently rejected. 🙏
 
PurposeDevine00 said:
Hi Ant. Did you see my other comment? I clarified some important things.
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No. Sorry. But this is blatantly extremely illogical and has nothing to do with Fortnite. We definitely cannot scale from it no matter how much others pester me about it. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
The comment within that comicbook clearly refers to the 10 realms of Marvel Comics' Asgard cosmology, not to anything related to Fortnite, so arguing about including it is extremely illogical and very firmly permanently rejected. 🙏
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From what I understand from the Cosmology blog, the comic book in question here—the one said to be canon for Fortnite—mentions that there are 10 realms. It then shows that these realms contain celestial bodies such as stars and galaxies. And OP is simply using these showing.

Marvel cosmology has nothing to do with this. OP doesn't say that these realms are the same as the realms in the Marvel Cosmology or make any scaling between them.
 
Antvasima said:
No. Sorry. But this is blatantly extremely illogical and has nothing to do with Fortnite. We definitely cannot scale from it no matter how much others pester me about it. 🙏
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It literally says we allows scaling between two separate verse if was:
For cross-verse scaling to be considered to be used between two separate works of fiction based on author statements, all of the following requirements must be fulfilled:

  • The works must be written by a single same person.
  • There should not be considerable contradictions in the respective displayed power levels for the compared characters.
  • The statements need to clearly have been intended seriously.
  • The compared characters must share a similar nature in terms of types of powers.
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And comics shown to be following this requirements:
 
Look, Thor was clearly referring to a very well-established part of Marvel Comics cosmology with the 10 realms. It has been mentioned over and over hundreds, or possibly thousands of times in Marvel Comics.

It is not a part of the Fortnite cosmology that he was transported to. This is getting ridiculous and it is extremely firmly permanently rejected. Period.

We can only scale from feats that Thor made after he was transported to Fortnite, which has a completely different scale and working mechanics than Marvel Comics. 🙏
 
I do disagree with Fortnite scaling to Marvel or Dc cosmology. I was brought up before and rejected. But if wanna do it again, go for it in another thread.

Edit: Even if the premise of this thread is about only accepting Thor (2020) #1 as part of Fortnite canon, no matter the argument, it will fallback on cosmology. Idc if it's different authors. It also different authors for Marvel comics.
 
ByArrow said:
Did you even read the thread? OP isn't trying to scale Fortnite to the Marvel or DC cosmology.
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He is evidently trying to scale it to parts of Marvel cosmology, regardless what the OP says. 🙏
 
Can somebody link to the other Fortnite content revision thread that was started as a continuation of this one, please? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Look, Thor was clearly referring to a very well-established part of Marvel Comics cosmology with the 10 realms. It has been mentioned over and over hundreds, or possibly thousands of times in Marvel Comics.

It is not a part of the Fortnite cosmology that he was transported to. This is getting ridiculous and it is extremely firmly permanently rejected. Period.

We can only scale from feats that Thor made after he was transported to Fortnite, which has a completely different scale and working mechanics than Marvel Comics. 🙏
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What we mean event in Thor 2020#1 was supposed to be exiting in Fortnite canonicity, as comics literally says "As seen in “Thor 2020#1 -- MB"

Donny Cates literally says this event was literally happened in Fortnite, meaning feats and statements was also exists in Fortnite canonicity. Donny Cates also is one who writers Thor 2020#1 and Nexus war

This also literally following the requirements mentioned in Crossover rules

This is not a valid argument. There is no need to claim that the statement does not refer to Fortnite's cosmology, as the event described in the statement also occurred within Fortnite's canon.
 
Yes, but you are attempting to apply the 10 realms from Marvel Comics to Fortnite. That doesn't logically work. 🙏
 
Firestorm808 said:
What's the consensus so far?
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My point is Thor 2020#1 events was happening in Fortnite canonicity as:
  • In the Nexus War comics, we see scenes that also appeared in Thor (2020) #1, indicating that these events occurred in Fortnite as well. It is even stated, "As seen in Thor (2020) #1".
  • Donny Cates literally states that this event happened in Fortnite, meaning that the feats and statements associated with it also exist within Fortnite's canon. Furthermore, Donny Cates is the writer of both Thor (2020) #1 and the Nexus War comics.
 
That doesn't matter. The 10 realms do not exist within Fortnite. They exist within Marvel Comics.

If parts of the Thor comicbook took place within the Fortnite cosmology, you can scale from that part only. 🙏
 
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