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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0
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Minaaaa
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Speaking of neo, what does he do in 9-B
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He's already in 9-B though, right below subaru rn
Though I'm somewhat unsure abt that placement, but eh
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Hmm, since we currently don't treat "insignificant" dimensions as smurfery...
Scion and Tohu for High 6-A, and like, I'm genuinely confident they can take up to 6th but can't bypass the invul (unless it doesn't block the EE or Stilling)
Meng Qi (who really should be higher), Administrators and Jimmy all do not resist Stilling or an All or Nothing from Tohu, with them also being well and unable to kill scion in any way that matters as they can't reach the Warrior Entity (and if they do, they die anyway)
The beast does actually have a resistance to Stilling (kinda, but I'm not willing to argue it), can't kill scion though, but does die to Tohu who has a genuine million and one ways to kill him, thanks to being a nigh verse composite, such as yeeting him to another dimension, going to another dimension itself and making a bomb that stops him in time forever, or just hitting him with an all or nothing like one of the space explosions, but what is fact is that Tohu is not playing fair, and is not staying close.
Byleth dies to Stilling or Tohu ad nauseum until she can't rewind time anymore
Rafaam runs into the issue of Endbringers Trumping Trumps (name for people who **** with powers in verse) which includes those who copy or steal powers, and Scion is much much worse in that regard, and even if he could, he either runs into one of the best precogs on the wiki triggering, resulting in Scion popping his avatar body to dodge the first attempt to then reform the body behind Rafaam and Doctor Manhattan him, or the WE cuts off the power, and spawns in a new avatar that does the afformentioned Doctor Manhattanning. Or Scion just using stilling to null it, lmao
Adam runs into the issue of both of the characters not caring. Tohu just literally not having a mind or soul and resisting power null before blasting him (though ig there's an argument based on what exactly Tabris' field negated, but that doesn't really matter here), and Scion having a decent argument for not having such a mind or soul, and even if he did, the avatar would not be where it was located, and even if the avatar itself had such a thing, Scion would just come back and blast him with stilling.
Aisha runs into the issue of not actually having her eyes in this key, instantly triggering PtV, and getting blasted with stilling before she can attempt to pull up anti magic
Willverse simply just has the issue of invul here, otherwise I'm pretty confident in their loss, so they get stopped there
Scion and Tohu for High 6-A, and like, I'm genuinely confident they can take up to 6th but can't bypass the invul (unless it doesn't block the EE or Stilling)
Meng Qi (who really should be higher), Administrators and Jimmy all do not resist Stilling or an All or Nothing from Tohu, with them also being well and unable to kill scion in any way that matters as they can't reach the Warrior Entity (and if they do, they die anyway)
The beast does actually have a resistance to Stilling (kinda, but I'm not willing to argue it), can't kill scion though, but does die to Tohu who has a genuine million and one ways to kill him, thanks to being a nigh verse composite, such as yeeting him to another dimension, going to another dimension itself and making a bomb that stops him in time forever, or just hitting him with an all or nothing like one of the space explosions, but what is fact is that Tohu is not playing fair, and is not staying close.
Byleth dies to Stilling or Tohu ad nauseum until she can't rewind time anymore
Rafaam runs into the issue of Endbringers Trumping Trumps (name for people who **** with powers in verse) which includes those who copy or steal powers, and Scion is much much worse in that regard, and even if he could, he either runs into one of the best precogs on the wiki triggering, resulting in Scion popping his avatar body to dodge the first attempt to then reform the body behind Rafaam and Doctor Manhattan him, or the WE cuts off the power, and spawns in a new avatar that does the afformentioned Doctor Manhattanning. Or Scion just using stilling to null it, lmao
Adam runs into the issue of both of the characters not caring. Tohu just literally not having a mind or soul and resisting power null before blasting him (though ig there's an argument based on what exactly Tabris' field negated, but that doesn't really matter here), and Scion having a decent argument for not having such a mind or soul, and even if he did, the avatar would not be where it was located, and even if the avatar itself had such a thing, Scion would just come back and blast him with stilling.
Aisha runs into the issue of not actually having her eyes in this key, instantly triggering PtV, and getting blasted with stilling before she can attempt to pull up anti magic
Willverse simply just has the issue of invul here, otherwise I'm pretty confident in their loss, so they get stopped there
Lou_change
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Aren't actual shards 4d in parahumans?
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They are, but since their extent is unknown, they're technically not Tier 2 in scale.
Now it all depends on Dragonite, since they're also not compact.
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Parahumans dimensions are insignificant rn, but that isn't actually relevant for any shard, since they still reside within a single earth and all
The Warrior Entity (of which scion is a projection, but to continue my point) is the one that's more 4D ig is the phrasing I'd use? Seeing as his mass/being is projected across a set of parallel earths rather than existing on a single one like the rest of the shards.
They quite literally can't be tier 2 in scale, at least with how our standards are currently, as that'd break the story and setting seeing as the main goal of the entities is to solve entropy (and thus propagate infinitely) lol, and if they had high 3-A or tier 2 energies, I'd imagine they'd have solved such a bit ago before the start of the series
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Oh, I'm aware. I've read Worm (years back) and can recall that much.
My main point is that while not large, they're not compact planck dimensions and it'd be up to Dragonite on how to treat that.
Edit: Doesnt Scion travel between universes though? Pretty sure that'd be smurf range.
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I mean, depending on how you consider the whole 10^90 earths statement...
But fair, though I do remember us allowing non-significant 4D+ dimensions on this list, (ie time manip) so idk
Scion only travels between singular universes ala interdimensional which isn't and hasn't been smurf to my understanding
Stilling can hit things in other universes (and isn't like sting, which exists in every universe), and he can view things in multiple universes and whatnot, do not think those are smurf, but idk, depends on the ruling about insignificant dimensions
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I mean, both those things are smurf range. Unless Worm is somehow a quilted multiverse, which it isnt to my knowledge, then this is just multiversal range (cause I recall he nuked Eurasia on two separate universes at once).
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Yeah but we literally don't treat that as anything beyond inter/extradimensional because he doesn't affect the entire universe, so it just gets the rating, and those ratings aren't considered smurf otherwise for example the hunter or dark souls folk wouldn't be here due to their summoning items and whatnot
Lou_change
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I thought 4d counted regardless of tiering given the only parahuman characters that made it to my knowledge at this point are the endbringers which don't have shards.
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No, the endbringers very explicitly still derive their powers from shards; they were literally created by and powered from Eidolon's shard, and their own physiology is as a result of some very ***** dimensional shenanigans that involves mass shunting to other earths and whatnot
Lou_change
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They were fine after he died, one copied his shard, and being created by a 4d thing doesn't automatically make them 4d
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Because a shard is independent of their host, their abliities are still derived from shards, and they explicitly participate in the same sort of dimensional folding as shards (which is why basically only Sting, the thing that hits in Literally Every Dimension is especially effective beyond the ignoring physics aspect)
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Pretty sure Scion does have smurf immortality his main body in locked dimension requiring 4D range to reach it.
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just asking but in the tier 9Bs and tier 7Bs is there anybody that could deal with Aldebaran's matrix?
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what rank is he?
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#1 lmfao, you asked if anyone could deal with it.
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I kind of have a question regarding the verse
Everyone's soul is in a Low 1-A realm per the Aethyr page
Doesn't this technically mean they've got a kind of Low 1-A in range Immo8 or 9?
Rikimarox2
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For 7-B, he's not beating Neo Hargraves, I'm not exactly sure what his power is besides like, Mind Manip and constantly resurrecting and whatnot. But like, Neo kinda just, nukes him or incaps him. Hell, the authority shenanigans would likely not even work on him since he already resists that bs (With layers too iirc), and has like, Conceptual Sleep shenanigans to perma incap him if needed. Or hell, he could absorb him and gain his powers. Though Neo is at the first place, so I'm not sure about those below him.
For 9-B, Neo is still there so lmao, but like, Neo can still just continuously kill him with a thought or if he ever unleashes his sword, he'll just have an aura of instant death around him that kills everything. Oh and, uh, he has High-Godly resurrection. And... if the fight does continue on, Neo kinda will just grow resistance and even possibly reach his next key if it is for a long time, ie 7-B.
Minaaaa
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Garo perhaps
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if you force Al to lose too many times then subjugator of the domain will activate which forces his opponent to be stuck in a never-ending state of looping till their mind breaks. You need feats for infinite willpower to beat out that part, moreover his domain overrides Subaru's since in his domain, not even Subaru was aware of the loops when they were happening. You can try to kill him, incap him, escape him but everything will just reset the domain.
Rikimarox2
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Keep in mind, in this verse, the longer you live the more resistance you get for everything, and his mind had lived for an actual eternity (Infinite, not just like, a really long time), ie it's infinite in potency. And it was accepted too, just in case you don't know. Oh and, this is a Will Power feat, the resistances mainly come from the fact that you will get more resistant in the mind department to the powers in the verse, but the actual staying in all of eternity is his willpower.
That's for 9-B though. In 7-B, Neo kinda just doesn't care. He already resist Concept (Type 2), Law, and Info (Type 2) to like, 1-2 layers I think above baseline. Also, are you sure Incap doesn't work? Since the profile states this;
Which Neo's Eternal Sleep shenanigans can very easily do. Not to mention, Neo can also has Acausality type 1, specifically to time shenanigans that reverses a person's time, so there is a bit of a debate if the time loop would cause Neo to not remember anything.
And even if all those don't work (somehow), I don't really see Ai EVER incap or killing him, meanwhile Neo can just constantly kill him over and over again.
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, btw its Aldebaran not ai
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Power nulling it. Espeically since he himself has resistance to it and infinite labyrinths of light are things mages can comprehend easily. Alternatively, Alde gets turned into the finest gold statue, that sticks because layered CM1+Info2.
fair enough, how does he deal with his authority?
Nope. Plus, they have a mind/soul to be effected assuming you meet the chinaman-tier interaction list.
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Guys may I remind you
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The noita hits him with passive infinite potency empath hax
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Dragonite007
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At least say why he/she beat the guy in 6th
Subaru is already in 9-B and in 7-B Caine can just seal him
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Okay guess I'll suggest it, a wild last boss characters above arceus. They can mess with its plot and info aspects. Either by erasing it, forcing a loss, preventing attack. Probably could BFR and trap em in some random universe too, or overwrite a scenario that benefits them
Seems better than just sitting there and being able to do idk...nothing to its opposition (I still dk how arceus is above winnower honestly, I guess more physiology stuff than winnower)
Seems better than just sitting there and being able to do idk...nothing to its opposition (I still dk how arceus is above winnower honestly, I guess more physiology stuff than winnower)
Dragonite007
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Guy above has CM1
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