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About DMC's Soul layered abstract existence

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Many claim that the soul in dmc is much more uninteractable and abstract due to the fact it governs names which is classified as CM1 and Info2 and unaffected by their destruction as mentioned here. So to officially index the ability to avoid further confusion, I propose to add "Layered Abstract Existence" to DMC souls and "Layered NPI" to those who can interact with it.
 
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Hecky2222 said:
This is not layer, nor AE layering is thing even

It would be simply Greater AE for them being more fundamental, which already accepted.

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It's layered because Sonic describes their more fundamental aspects as such
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Chaotic Dreams (Illumina, Void and Chaos Energy Revision)

hello, currently we already accept Dreams in Sonic as being a type 1 concept, so day i will explain why Maginary World and Dreams are more abstract than regular concepts and how they connect with Chaos Energy, plus some Higher Dimensional Existence additions for them as well Tl, dr: Cyber...
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Hecky2222 said:
This is not layer, nor AE layering is thing even

It would be simply Greater AE for them being more fundamental, which already accepted.

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Then specify their NPI as "Greater" for interacting with souls.
 
VladimirMakarov317 said:
It's layered because Sonic describes their more fundamental aspects as such
vsbattles.com

Chaotic Dreams (Illumina, Void and Chaos Energy Revision)

hello, currently we already accept Dreams in Sonic as being a type 1 concept, so day i will explain why Maginary World and Dreams are more abstract than regular concepts and how they connect with Chaos Energy, plus some Higher Dimensional Existence additions for them as well Tl, dr: Cyber...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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It seems like there's an inconsistent pattern of describing such fundamentals.
 
This just means names doesnt govern souls, it doesnt make souls more uninteractable or fundamental than concepts so I disagree
 
Have you looked at the OP? The guy is linking comments from other threads and linking Mori Dan page as evidence. Is this a joke? This doesn't qualify even as a QnA page, I have seen adddition of fire manip get more competent CRTs.
 
1. This is not how layering works, for layers you need to explicitly bypass Resistance. In fact, you can't have layers for stuff like Intangibility or AE. Here's a good example.

2. Pretty sure smth like this is already accepted.
 
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Have you looked at the OP? The guy is linking comments from other threads and linking Mori Dan page as evidence. Is this a joke? This doesn't qualify even as a QnA page, I have seen adddition of fire manip get more competent CRTs.
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My clipboard is glitching, I dont know why it placed that.
 
ItsMeat said:
1. This is not how layering works, for layers you need to explicitly bypass Resistance. In fact, you can't have layers for stuff like Intangibility or AE. Here's a good example.
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If that's true, then why staffs accepted the thread with AE having layers such as this?
VladimirMakarov317 said:
It's layered because Sonic describes their more fundamental aspects as such
vsbattles.com

Chaotic Dreams (Illumina, Void and Chaos Energy Revision)

hello, currently we already accept Dreams in Sonic as being a type 1 concept, so day i will explain why Maginary World and Dreams are more abstract than regular concepts and how they connect with Chaos Energy, plus some Higher Dimensional Existence additions for them as well Tl, dr: Cyber...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Planck69 said:
@Thermor What are you even arguing here? This is already elaborated on the pages, just not as layered NPI. And can you please stop using whataboutisms here, you're especially bad with that.
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This is just about adjusting the labels to describe such ability, there is no whataboutisms to debunk or upscale. If staffs here agree on describing the ability as "Greater" than "Layered", then I will be fine putting in for NPI.
 
Thermor said:
This is just about adjusting the labels to describe such ability, there is no whataboutisms to debunk or upscale. If staffs here agree on describing the ability as "Greater" than "Layered", then I will be fine putting in for NPI.
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You have been repeatedly spamming unrelated CRTs as support for what you're saying here, that very much is a whataboutism.

And if this is an entirely different proposal then where are the scans and evidence? Did you seriously just post a thread without thinking about that?
 
Planck69 said:
You have been repeatedly spamming unrelated CRTs as support for what you're saying here, that very much is a whataboutism.

And if this is an entirely different proposal then where are the scans and evidence? Did you seriously just post a thread without thinking about that?
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What unrelated CRTs? Can you see the OP that it is just adding a label for the NPI? Why add scans and evidence when it is already on the pages, this is just a labeling addition.
 
Thermor said:
If that's true, then why staffs accepted the thread with AE having layers such as this?
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That's a 3 years old CRT which had people not convinced about layers even back then and in the meanwhile layering got several CRTs (Ik because I too made a dog **** one).

Also, just read what the OP was actually arguing for, just Enhanced CM and Enhanced AE despite the "layers". Because there's a difference between layers as in something simply being more abstract and layers for something resisting interaction. You can get "layers" and "layered" abilities for bypassing Resistance, however you can't get any layer without bypassing resistance. Abilities like AE generally don't have any resistance involved because they themselves are the defense. Thus, simply being more abstract only warrants "Enhanced AE".

And you can check the Sonic Cosmology blog yourself, there is no layered AE.
 
Thermor said:
What unrelated CRTs? Can you see the OP that it is just adding a label for the NPI? Why add scans and evidence when it is already on the pages, this is just a labeling addition.
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Because you have already been told, that's its not layered Abstract Existence or anything of the sort. So now you have to actually support your addition and changes with proof beyond "well, this other verse did it".
 
Planck69 said:
Because you have already been told, that's its not layered Abstract Existence or anything of the sort. So now you have to actually support your addition and changes with proof beyond "well, this other verse did it".
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I wanna ask if there's a rule about this in the wiki maybe he got confused after seeing other threads
 
For sake of everyone's understanding, I'll explain the situation properly. DMC has established hierarchy of metaphysical principles. This has been established and accepted. There is no use in comparing what other verses have or label it. We already list basis of NPI evidence as soul interaction, and every other metaphysical(mental. conceptual, info) interaction for that matter. Everyone and their mother and father can interact with souls in DMC, because that's how the verse works.

The only other ""superior"" ""intangibles"" are ones with NEPs which we also have already addressed.
So this thread is redundant.
 
Planck69 said:
Not quite but fairly sure it's mentioned on the Fallacy page.


No, there isn't. You can label it that way but you have to prove it on a CRT to begin with.
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If there is a conflict about whether abstract existence can be layered or not or just be greater, cant the high rank staffs make a rule about it? It would help to stop any future confusion
 
BonjourGnome said:
If there is a conflict about whether abstract existence can be layered or not or just be greater, cant the high rank staffs make a rule about it? It would help to stop any future confusion
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Because there isn't a conflict. Thermor just made up something that isn't on the page and assumed it had to be "labelled correctly".
 
idk what was going on here but it seems the issue was resolved? If so, can someone close this thread? Helps me out to not have other CRT's open since I've been spamming those for a while and still have more to do
 
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