TenSura LN Revision — More Details on the Otherworld

[Astral_Trinity439]

Introduction​

Hello everyone. Hope ya'll are doing well! So this is a continuation of the previous thread, to add one last detail to the Otherworld. I personally think this is even more simple than the last one, so hopefully this also goes without any problems.

As always, please avoid any derailing behavior and toxicity, and keep the discussion civil!

Notes:

• Do not bring up "Worlds are Planets" as that's an excessively discussed topic that already reached its conclusion.

Table of Contents​

Currently, Dimensions are accepted as Low 1-C due to the Otherworld (Dimensional Space) being Low 1-C (5D). Please check the current description and details before proceeding:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tensura_Cosmology_Page_(Light_Novel)#Dimensions

Spoiler: Temporal Axis

Basically, we have a significant 5-Dimensional Space in our hands. So, I'll get straight to the point:

There is also a method of jumping toward the wavelength of the target person, but if they are in a other dimension, they could not be reached.

Also, even if the target location’s time axis, positional coordinates, and other information were known, if there were a dimensional wall separating them, Mai’s power could not cross it.

This was the reason why Mai gave up returning to her original world. If it is an adjacent dimension, there are cases where the wall can be crossed.

However, depending on the dimension, the height of the wall varies, so there were cases where it was impossible no matter what. In that case, there is no choice but to search for something like the “Underworld Gate” and steadily repeat dimensional exploration.

Mai has a lifespan equal to infinity, but even so, there is no choice but to conclude that it is impossible. After all, the time axis differs for each dimension.

If it is between worlds in a state where the time axes are synchronized, then even if one performs dimensional travel, there is no time difference. However, realistically, such a phenomenon could not be expected.

Even within the universe of the same world, space continues to expand at a speed exceeding the speed of light. The correlation between time and space is not within the range of Mai’s understanding. Much less, the probability of reaching the time and place where her beloved younger brother is alive was something infinitely close to zero, as if it did not exist.
Source
Source
V21C4
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It was possible to leap toward the wavelengths released by a living target, but if they existed in another dimension, it was impossible to reach them.

Even if she knew the timeline, position data, and other information she needed for her target location, if there was a dimensional barrier separating her from it, she lacked the power to cross it at all.

This was why Mai gave up on returning to her original world.

In some instances, it was possible to cross this barrier if you were just going to an adjacent dimension. It was a case-by-case thing, though. The “walls” in question could be of varying heights, so sometimes it wasn’t doable, no matter what. The only way around that was to find an Underworld Gate or some other rift and just explore, explore, explore.

Mai had an essentially infinite lifespan now, but even then, she had to write it off as undoable. Every dimension, after all, ran on its own temporal axis.

If two worlds ran on synchronized axes, there’d be no time difference if you jumped between them—but in reality, this wasn’t something to expect.

Even within the same universe, space expanded faster than light. The resulting correlation between time and space was beyond Mai’s understanding, and without that, the probability of reaching the exact time and place where her brother was alive and well was infinitely close to zero.
OTL V21C4

Each Dimension has its own temporal axis/timeline, and it's unique for every dimension.

As for Orthogonality, there are 4 ways:

Spoiler: Method 1

So, even if you stop Time across all Worlds, "Time" is still flowing in the Otherworld (as not a "World" but their container):

Time is not something that flows only within a bounded space. What affects the time and space across every possible world is what is called the Stopped World. Since the time when Guy and Chloe lightly fought, there had been no sense of discomfort like the one felt at that time there had been no sensation of time having stopped. As Ciel san said, it was proof that no one had activated Time Stop.
V19C4
Source

My slash became a gigantic blade and tore apart the sky, and just like that it even largely tore apart the giant Ruverje.

Moreover, that was not the end. A vast amount of energy was generated, producing Lightning of Nothingness, and there was no sign of the torn sky closing.

The dimension split, and connected to an Otherworld. Over there, time was flowing, and it rushed in as a tremendous spacetime storm.

That, as it was, formed a vortex, swallowed the massive body of Ruverje, and crushed and collapsed it messily.
Even the gigantic body of Ruverje, which would probably only feel even Gravity Collapse as nothing more than a slight breeze, was helplessly cut to pieces and collapsed.
Source
V23C5

So even if Time is 0 inside a World, in the Otherworld Time still flows. In analogy, this would be as if the world's time axis is like a "Point" (stationary) compared to a Line (Otherworld's time axis), which shows orthogonality.

We also even have a direct statement that the Flow of Time in the Otherworld is distorted compared to the worlds the characters reside in:

From the evacuation point that connects to the Otherworld, the abandoned thirtieth floor section was visible.

If left as it is, it should eventually be swallowed by an Otherworld and be blown away. In subspace, phase fluctuations are constantly occurring. These are not something that can be predicted, and if one is caught in them, it is impossible to predict which kind of other dimensional space one would be sent to. Because it would be an Otherworld where even the flow of time is distorted, even if one possessed “Spatial Domination,” returning from the place one was sent to the exact same point as now was not realistic.

Velgrynd accomplished that, but that was an exception where coincidence and miracle overlapped.
Source
V21C4

This method was also accepted here as well (before u say I'm milking another thread, I participated in it actively and ik the context to that interpretation is the same)

Spoiler: Method 2

So another way to prove Orthogonality is through Yuuki's passage:

Even that is nothing more than symptomatic treatment, and at this rate, it will eventually disappear…

"Here, you know, it seems that even time itself isn’t flowing."
"Hah?"
"Eh?"

That was the answer to Laplace’s earlier question. Even Yuuki himself was not confident, but there was no other way to explain it except by thinking so.

"Hmm, I realized it after observing for a long time, but you saw that rainbow colored sphere over there swell up and disappear earlier, right? I think that is probably one world, a universe."

"A universe?"
"One world..."

Inside that sphere, time is flowing. It seems that, as an aftereffect of that, a flow of time is generated in the surrounding area as well, but it can’t be observed… Strictly speaking, time was flowing. However, since there was no means to observe it, Yuuki judged from circumstances such as his own level of fatigue and the fact that he did not become hungry, and inferred that time is not flowing, or that it is flowing extremely slowly.

Yuuki could not interfere with information particles, nor was it possible for him to observe them. Therefore, everything was speculation, but fully displaying his genius, he had arrived at the correct answer. Even so, since there was no means of returning, it was meaningless…

"Then, is one of those rainbow colored spheres of light the world we were in?"

"I don’t think so. I think those are derivative worlds. From the generation of the spheres of light to their end, everything is uneven. Even considering the observable amount of energy, it was thought that the spheres of light observable here were places unrelated to the world Yuuki and the others had been in."
V22C3
Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in Discord DMs

More context (long yaps).

So basically, there's the Universe (Space-Time Continuum), and then there's the Otherworld. In the Otherworld there is a "before" and "after" in reference to the birth and end of the entire Space-time continuities that are the worlds. That means the Otherworld does not simply operate on a linear "past -> future" of the 4-dimenional space-time continuum, rather, there is a before and after where even the Space-time continuum does not exist, and there's only nothingness. The generation and end of these Space-time continuums (spheres of light) is also uneven, in other words, they do not occur at the same time necessarily, but rather unevenly.

Spoiler: Method 3

So this has more to do with the general definition of Space and Time rather than in-verse. We know that:

1. Space and Time are dimensions of the space-time continuity.
2. You can move in Space without moving in Time (with infinite speed or when Time is stopped)
3. You can move in Time without moving in Space (Time Travel)

So in theory, Time would always be orthogonal to Space, as you can move in one without moving in the other under special circumstances.

Another way to prove this is via Scalar and Vector Products:

Can we show that time is orthogonal to space?

It's easy to show that the time we measure is "in a different direction" from the space directions we measure. However, it's not immediately obvious to me that these directions are orthogonal. How...

physics.stackexchange.com

From our FAQ:

Q: How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?​

A: The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime. But, a cosmological structure can contain two or more perpendicular time axis, rather than just a singular time axis. By having two perpendicular axis the cosmology must have a "higher" level of time that can fit the crossing time axis, for the same reason why a geometric "X" line and a geometric "Y" line would require a two-dimensional plane to catalogue their interaction properly. Instead of a direction of movement, however, a temporal axis is the temporal element of the cosmology, which is the "snapshots" along the line that captures all the states in which the cosmology can exist in. By having two axis, there must be an even higher-dimensional container, as every axis would add an uncountable infinite element to the cosmology, as there must be an uncountable infinite number of snapshots to an already uncountable infinite number of snapshots.

So, for a typical universe, it is a 3-A or three-dimensional structure of significant size collected as an uncountable infinite number of static snapshots through its time axis, making the space-time of the cosmology Low 2-C to fit all the possible universe iterations (3D+1). By having a second axis going in a perpendicular direction, this requires the space-time of the cosmology to have a fifth-dimensional axis to capture the "snapshots" that generate a fourth-dimensional axis (3D+2). More time axis would add an additional total axis with the overall cosmology. Additionally, while a three-dimensional structure is used as an example, this can also work with higher-dimensional structures. So a sixth-dimensional structure with three temporal axis (6D+3) would require a nine-dimensional space of infinite size to contain all the snapshots generated by the space-time continuum.

Essentially, Time is considered orthogonal to space under our standards too. What is difficult to prove is that two temporal dimensions are orthogonal to each other, but the same does not apply to simply "Time over Space".

In this case, we have a Space (Otherworld) that's 5-dimensional, and it contains the 4th dimension of Time as a part of itself. So, "Time" of the Otherworld cannot flow in the same direction as 4D time, as that would mean it does not encompass the Otherworld (5D Space) itself, which is just wrong and contradicts the premise itself. Therefore, this "Time" would have to extend in a direction that's orthogonal to the entirety of the 5-dimenional space, thus necessitating a 6th dimension, a 2nd dimension of time.

Spoiler: Method 4

Now this one involves Time Travel. This would probably be the most controversial one, so I don't want to rely on it too much.
So we know Rimuru's world has ended (we have seen how worlds end in Method 2, they erase into nothingness as entire space-time continuities):

《That is correct. By Feldway’s Space Time Leap Shockwave Conquest (Chrono Salvation), we were sent beyond space time. There, the lifespan of the stars had long since ended, however it had not reached the collapse of the world. It is presumed that Feldway’s power was limited to merely destroying the universe of the cardinal world.》

What happened in that timeline is not known precisely. By the time Ciel san was sent there, everything had already ended. Even what became of Ivarage and how it acted is unknown, but even so, what was certain was the fact that the world did not perish. Whether that was according to Feldway’s wishes or not is also unknown, but to me, it is a matter of no importance.

《After that, drifting as though wandering through the Space where even the stars no longer twinkled, I witnessed the end of this world.》
V21 Epilogue
Source

For reference, he isn't at the "edge of his world, not beyond/outside it", no, he is beyond it, cuz he's in the Otherworld, which we know is the container of space-time continuums that exists outside of them. It is neither the past, nor present, and neither the future:

Be blown away to the very end of space-time.... Space-Time Leap Shockwave Supreme (Chrono Saltation) !!

It was a phenomenon I recognized. It was the same attack that had blown Lady Velgrynd out of this world a short while ago and just as I thought that far, my consciousness went dark. By Feldway’s Space-Time Transfer, I was sent flying to a place unknown, one that could not clearly be called past, future, or present.
V20 Epilogue
Source

It's said Chloe wouldn't be able to Time Travel using her ability, because within the framework of her ability (limited to Worlds), Time does not flow (the world does not exist anymore):

《As I was about to say earlier as well, Master has not lost. We simply have to return to the past from now and defeat Feldway.》

As if it were nothing, Ciel san declared so. Return now to the past? And just go defeat him!?

There is no way such a thing is possible that is what I thought. Chloe seemed capable of Time Leap, which allows reading memories of the future, but that is merely an ability to return to one’s past self. Moreover, it cannot be used while time is stopped. Since even time is not flowing in this End of Space Time, probably even Chloe would not be able to return to the past.
V21 Epilogue
Source

But Ciel developed a different kind of Time Travel, "Time Warp", one that allows you to go anywhere using spatio-temporal distortions:

《In preparation for the possibility of something like this happening, I had developed Space Time Leap (Time Warp).》

…Time Warp? Combining time distortion and space distortion, making unrestricted movement possible, something like that?

《That understanding is mostly correct.》
V21 Epilogue
Source

This is oddly specific since "space-time distortions" rather refer to Space-time storms, which are a thing of the Otherworld:

My slash became a gigantic blade and tore apart the sky, and just like that it even largely tore apart the giant Ruverje.
Moreover, that was not the end. A vast amount of energy was generated, producing Lightning of Nothingness, and there was no sign of the torn sky closing.

The dimension split, and connected to an Otherworld. Over there, time was flowing, and it rushed in as a tremendous spacetime storm.

That, as it was, formed a vortex, swallowed the massive body of Ruverje, and crushed and collapsed it messily.
Even the gigantic body of Ruverje, which would probably only feel even Gravity Collapse as nothing more than a slight breeze, was helplessly cut to pieces and collapsed.
Source
V23C5

Which means he used the Otherworld's time axis to go from a point where his World had been destroyed, to a "past" where it still existed.

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Arguments & Counters
Here I'll try my best to exhaust all the arguments that could come up, so please read this section before you pose an argument:

Spoiler: Counter Arguments

• End of Time is just the edge of time, not outside time.

Answer: Maybe this could be an argument before, but currently it is already accepted that Rimuru was inside the Otherworld (which is = End of Time and Space), so he cannot be at the "edge" of his own world if he's in the space separating their continuums. Plus given the "not the past, present or future", I don't think it's even a proper argument to say "End" doesn't mean outside here.

• In regards to Chloe, Time not flowing does not mean it doesn't exist.

Answer: This semantic argument honestly doesn't even matter since we already know he's not in the past, present, nor future. That's what he means by "Time not flowing", aka he's already outside of that. So naturally chloe's time travel doesn't work, yet Rimuru's warp does, as it works on the Otherworld's Time Axis.

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TL;DR
I think Method 1 is already sufficient and is one of the most direct statements you can get, but all the other 3 methods can be used as extra supporting evidence.

1. The Otherworld has a Time Dimension, making it 6-D.
2. Said Time Dimension is proven to be Orthogonal.
3. Anyone that scales to Dimensions is 1-C (6-D).

If I had to name them, they'd be:

• Octagram guys (some in all stats by pure strength and some in only AP/Striking Strength via their ultimates)
• All True Dragons (All stats)
• All Guardians in their Ultimate key (only AP and SS, except for those chainscaling to someone else)
• Ultimate Skill users (only AP and SS)
• All Primordials (only DC, via Nihility Magic,)
• VoTW
• God
• Cardinal World (as location/place, in durability only)

Votes​

Agree:
KingTempest, Planck69 and DarkDragonMedus (Method 2), Qawsedf (Method 2 & 4)

@Ciel_Trinity439 @AlexSamDen @Incomprehensibleexistence @Re5yh @Noobish2006 @Mr._East_Statement @Cipher72 @LadyVeldanava @BonjourGnome @Ultimuru @CJunitilarian @Eikichi_Sensei @Azertyhuuh @Masayuki568 @AstraphelNoctis4 @Humanitus_Primevilus888 @Sebas-S.P-san @MetaChronos @Explosion-Proximity @0ochayo0 @MSahla @ItsMeat @Ronaldinhxt1 @DrunkMan04 @Nonynho

Disagree:
@Vesxpura
Neutral:

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[AlexSamDen]

Agreed, as discussed previously

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

Agreed, as discussed previously

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

agree

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

 

[Incomprehensibleexistence]

Disagree I can't stand the above behavior

 

[Re5yh]

First 1-C God of War, now Tensura at the same day? Awesome. Agreeing on this thread

 

[Mbpoops]

slow down brochacho

bro didnt wanna get left behind by DBH and base kratos

neutral for now

 

[Noobish2006]

Makes sense

 

[Mr._East_Statement]

Introduction​

Hello everyone. Hope ya'll are doing well! So this is a continuation of the previous thread, to add one last detail to the Otherworld. I personally think this is even more simple than the last one, so hopefully this also goes without any problems.

As always, please avoid any derailing behavior and toxicity, and keep the discussion civil!

Table of Contents​

Currently, Dimensions are accepted as Low 1-C due to the Otherworld (Dimensional Space) being Low 1-C (5D). Please check the current description and details before proceeding:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tensura_Cosmology_Page_(Light_Novel)#Dimensions

Spoiler: Temporal Axis

Basically, we have a significant 5-Dimensional Space in our hands. So, I'll get straight to the point:

Each Dimension has its own temporal axis/timeline, and it's unique for every dimension.

As for Orthogonality, there are 4 ways:

Spoiler: Method 1

So, even if you stop Time across all Worlds, "Time" is still flowing in the Otherworld (as not a "World" but their container):


So even if Time is 0 inside a World, in the Otherworld Time still flows. In analogy, this would be as if the world's time axis is like a "Point" (stationary) compared to a Line (Otherworld's time axis), which shows orthogonality.

We also even have a direct statement that the Flow of Time in the Otherworld is distorted compared to the worlds the characters reside in:


This method was also accepted here as well (before u say I'm milking another thread, I participated in it actively and ik the context to that interpretation is the same)

Spoiler: Method 2

So another way to prove Orthogonality is through Yuuki's passage:

More context (long yaps).

So basically, there's the Universe (Space-Time Continuum), and then there's the Otherworld. In the Otherworld there is a "before" and "after" in reference to the birth and end of the entire Space-time continuities that are the worlds. That means the Otherworld does not simply operate on a linear "past -> future" of the 4-dimenional space-time continuum, rather, there is a before and after where even the Space-time continuum does not exist, and there's only nothingness. The generation and end of these Space-time continuums (spheres of light) is also uneven, in other words, they do not occur at the same time necessarily, but rather unevenly.

Spoiler: Method 3

So this has more to do with the general definition of Space and Time rather than in-verse. We know that:

1. Space and Time are dimensions of the space-time continuity.
2. You can move in Space without moving in Time (with infinite speed or when Time is stopped)
3. You can move in Time without moving in Space (Time Travel)

So in theory, Time would always be orthogonal to Space, as you can move in one without moving in the other under special circumstances.

Another way to prove this is via Scalar and Vector Products:

Can we show that time is orthogonal to space?

It's easy to show that the time we measure is "in a different direction" from the space directions we measure. However, it's not immediately obvious to me that these directions are orthogonal. How...

physics.stackexchange.com

From our FAQ:

Essentially, Time is considered orthogonal to space under our standards too. What is difficult to prove is that two temporal dimensions are orthogonal to each other, but the same does not apply to simply "Time over Space".

In this case, we have a Space (Otherworld) that's 5-dimensional, and it contains the 4th dimension of Time as a part of itself. So, "Time" of the Otherworld cannot flow in the same direction as 4D time, as that would mean it does not encompass the Otherworld (5D Space) itself, which is just wrong and contradicts the premise itself. Therefore, this "Time" would have to extend in a direction that's orthogonal to the entirety of the 5-dimenional space, thus necessitating a 6th dimension, a 2nd dimension of time.

Spoiler: Method 4

Now this one involves Time Travel. This would probably be the most controversial one, so I don't want to rely on it too much.
So we know Rimuru's world has ended (we have seen how worlds end in Method 2, they erase into nothingness as entire space-time continuities):

For reference, he isn't at the "edge of his world, not beyond/outside it", no, he is beyond it, cuz he's in the Otherworld, which we know is the container of space-time continuums that exists outside of them. It is neither the past, nor present, and neither the future:


It's said Chloe wouldn't be able to Time Travel using her ability, because within the framework of her ability (limited to Worlds), Time does not flow (the world does not exist anymore):


But Ciel developed a different kind of Time Travel, "Time Warp", one that allows you to go anywhere using spatio-temporal distortions:


This is oddly specific since "space-time distortions" rather refer to Space-time storms, which are a thing of the Otherworld:


Which means he used the Otherworld's time axis to go from a point where his World had been destroyed, to a "past" where it still existed.

TL;DR
I think Method 1 is already sufficient and is one of the most direct statements you can get, but all the other 3 methods can be used as extra supporting evidence.

1. The Otherworld has a Time Dimension, making it 6-D.
2. Anyone that scales to Dimensions is 1-C (6-D).

If I had to name them, they'd be:

• Octagram guys (some in all stats by pure strength and some in only AP/Striking Strength via their ultimates)
• All True Dragons (All stats)
• All Guardians in their Ultimate key (only AP and SS, except for those chainscaling to someone else)
• Ultimate Skill users (only AP and SS)
• All Primordials (only DC, via Nihility Magic,)
• VoTW
• God
• Cardinal World (as location/place, in durability only)

Votes​

Agree:

Disagree:

Neutral:

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I don't need to read

I have grasped the holy truth of this CRT through divine intuition

Agree

 

[Cipher72]

base kratos

This implies there's a Super Saiyan Kratos, anyways args seem fine for now.

 

[Entity]

adding temporal dimension after temporal dimension to reach higher tiers? Couldn't expect less from a member of the Relevancy League, always copying Goku

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Added some stuff to the OP, specifically the counter arg section.

adding temporal dimension after temporal dimension to reach higher tiers? Couldn't expect less from a member of the Relevancy League, always copying Goku

The wiki exists cuz goku exists

 

[Ultimuru]

I agree with 1-A Anos.

 

[BonjourGnome]

W one step closer to 1A Tensura

 

[LadyVeldanava]

I agree. And summarize for me on Discord

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Can someone explain why you have to demonstrate orthogonality along the time axis of the dimensions?

Isn't it enough to have one time axis and five spatial axes to create six dimensions?

6-D?

Isn't orthogonality for verses with Hypertime?

 

[CJunitilarian]

Agree due to HyperGuy's Reasoning

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Can someone explain why you have to demonstrate orthogonality along the time axis of the dimensions?

Isn't it enough to have one time axis and five spatial axes to create six dimensions?

6-D?

Isn't orthogonality for verses with Hypertime?

for the sake of already addressing potential future args in advance.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I know nothing about orthogonality, but if dimensions have a time axis, it helps me agree with 6-D.

 

[KaramcaS]

A month later someone will come and say "the translation is wrong" and bring it down to Low 2-C again

 

[KaramcaS]

Each Dimension has its own temporal axis/timeline, and it's unique for every dimension.

So 5 Space with 5 Time with 10-D High 1-C Tensura

 

[Azertyhuuh]

agree

 

[Vesxpura]

ong this might be one of the most poorly articulated crts ive ever seen.
anyways for what its worth i disagree. and for now im only going to touch on method 3(unless mods are genuinely interested) since the rest of them are genuinely unintelligible

time being orthogonal to space is only assumed under classical models of space-time. time for whats its worth is just an arbitrary dimension with no inherent features under real coordinate space which is what is supposed to be argued for tier 1

also i dont get the point of referencing other series' where they COULD be wrong and by default something is asymmetrical between them

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

ong this might be one of the most poorly articulated crts ive ever seen.
anyways for what its worth i disagree. and for now im only going to touch on method 3(unless mods are genuinely interested) since the rest of them are genuinely unintelligible

time being orthogonal to space is only assumed under classical models of space-time. time for whats its worth is just an arbitrary dimension with no inherent features under real coordinate space which is what is supposed to be argued for tier 1

also i dont get the point of referencing other series' where they COULD be wrong and by default something is asymmetrical between them

Simply accept 6-D based on the evidence of the time axis

 

[Vesxpura]

Simply accept 6-D based on the evidence of the time axis

i cant let the wank continue, they might solo goku bru

 

[Masayuki568]

Astral delivers yet again. Can not do anything but agree

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Agree

Also, pretty much demoness trio used the entirety of their willpower to counter or damage Zegion despite his Ultimate-level defense because...
So, wouldn’t it instead be:
AP with Willpower(not recommended) / ??? / ???

And DC with Nihility?

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Look alright Where tf is my 100-D dimensional layers labyrinth

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

i cant let the wank continue, they might solo goku bru

it’s inevitable it always has been

 

[Sebas-S.P-san]

I'm coming out of retirement just to say:
I agree.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

ong this might be one of the most poorly articulated crts ive ever seen.

Coming from you twin

i cant let the wank continue, they might solo goku bru

We do even rn so this changes nothing
Dare you to make a matchup rn

anyways for what its worth i disagree. and for now im only going to touch on method 3(unless mods are genuinely interested) since the rest of them are genuinely unintelligible

Argue better

time being orthogonal to space is only assumed under classical models of space-time. time for whats its worth is just an arbitrary dimension with no inherent features under real coordinate space which is what is supposed to be argued for tier 1

prove that only
I gave my part of the bop in the OP so now ur turm ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯

also i dont get the point of referencing other series' where they COULD be wrong and by default something is asymmetrical between them

Give this man layered assumption manipulation

 

[MetaChronos]

Yea this is a good CRT. Could’ve just said 5 spatial dimensions+1 temporal Dimension=6D, but ig this much is required for tensura.

Agree+following

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Agreed FRA
Following for more

 

[DependableSalamander562]

World's are planets until you show me scans that say otherwise, downgrade the verse to planet level instead worlds being the size of planets makes your entire argument invalid by itself and your entire post is just explaining how dimensions work, you have to prove that its 5D with feats and statements backing it up

 

[0ochayo0]

World's are planets until you show me scans that say otherwise, downgrade the verse to planet level instead worlds being the size of planets makes your entire argument invalid by itself and your entire post is just explaining how dimensions work, you have to prove that its 5D with feats and statements backing it up

First message for this account? Salty much

Anyway, Agree FRA

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

World's are planets until you show me scans that say otherwise, downgrade the verse to planet level instead worlds being the size of planets makes your entire argument invalid by itself and your entire post is just explaining how dimensions work, you have to prove that its 5D with feats and statements backing it up

Please read the previous CRTs (specifically the first one) and their arguments before saying anything else.

 

[Explosion-Proximity]

Please read the previous CRTs (specifically the first one) and their arguments before saying anything else.

Lets just ignore him/her/it or whatever. He cant let this thread get derailed

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

World's are planets until you show me scans that say otherwise, downgrade the verse to planet level instead worlds being the size of planets makes your entire argument invalid by itself and your entire post is just explaining how dimensions work, you have to prove that its 5D with feats and statements backing it up

agree with this

 

[Hecky2222]

ong this might be one of the most poorly articulated crts ive ever seen.

Bro wants to beat me in ragebaiting contest

Oh wait, I didn't ragebait Ultima(yet) so you win