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Pheromosa vs Sans [10-1-0, GRACE]

First off, they're moving faster than lightning here, so no, not 7 seconds.
Even then the main movement clearly starts when he gets to Raichu and starts running circles, at which point it took like 5 seconds tops.
It's 7 seconds relative to raichu's perspective, who is already slower than Pikachu. Sans starts out on Pheromosa's level so it might be even longer

not to mention, 5 seconds is still more than enough time for Sans to start doing smthn about it
Second of all, just one agility is enough to run past most of Sans' attacks
sans can fill the entire judgement hall with bones. What's stopping him from doing it here? If he sees this weird bug lady who's trying to kill him dodge all of his attacks, he can just attack literally everywhere and then Pheromosa runs out of options
He can restrict some freedom of movement but you're forgetting that even if the speed didn't work her Me First could insta-kill Sans and her attacks like Silver Wind and Bug Buzz can absolutely shred the bones
The problem with this is that a single touch is also enough to kill Pheromosa. Pheromosa starts with melee attacks in character since in the anime that's basically all she's ever done
???
"The user cuts ahead of the target to copy and use the target's intended move with greater power. This move fails if it isn't used first."
"If the target has not made its move this turn, but has selected a damage-dealing move, Me First copies that move preemptively and increases the power by 50%. It bypasses accuracy checks to always hit, unless the opponent is in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move such as Dig or Fly. Me First will fail if the target selected a non-damaging move, or if the target already executed its move this turn."
Sure, but his main form of attack isn't TK, it's bones, and also TK would work as moves like Psychic are TK.
Sans's TK doesn't do damage so it wouldn't count. ALL non-damaging moves make Me First fail. Not to mention, the TK also just doesn't work to begin with

How does Pheromosa even have time to do everything you're suggesting at once? You're saying she uses Quiver Dance/Agility, Me First, and Silver Wind/Bug Buzz ALL at the same time which pokemon just can't do
 
It's 7 seconds relative to raichu's perspective, who is already slower than Pikachu. Sans starts out on Pheromosa's level so it might be even longer
Raichu wasn't slower than Pikachu in that fight, Pikachu is faster due to speed attacks it couldn't learn
not to mention, 5 seconds is still more than enough time for Sans to start doing smthn about it
Start doing something means nothing when the opponent will already be using agility and running full speed ahead
sans can fill the entire judgement hall with bones.
No he cannot. He can fill a certain area with bones, specifically the area where we fight. Nothing suggests its actually the whole judgement hall.
What's stopping him from doing it here? If he sees this weird bug lady who's trying to kill him dodge all of his attacks, he can just attack literally everywhere and then Pheromosa runs out of options
He cannot attack "literally everywhere", otherwise he'd kill Frisk instantly. He can do insane danmaku but one, he'd need to actually land it, two it also takes time to do these types of attacks as well, only the bone attack is extremely fast relatively and even then there's tells. By the time he manages to use his first serious danmaku attacks Pheromosa will already be using agility or something that can shred through the danmaku.
The problem with this is that a single touch is also enough to kill Pheromosa.
No it is not, Sans kills you fast but it isn't instant. Even if we assume Pheromosa has lower hp than Frisk at that stage, it will still take time to actually shred through her soul and that time is more than enough for her to use a counter-attack
Pheromosa starts with melee attacks in character since in the anime that's basically all she's ever done
Yes, but she has access to all her moves here and nothing stops her from using ranged moves as well. Additionally I think that her physical attacks are more than enough for her to deal with this.
"If the target has not made its move this turn, but has selected a damage-dealing move, Me First copies that move preemptively and increases the power by 50%. It bypasses accuracy checks to always hit, unless the opponent is in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move such as Dig or Fly. Me First will fail if the target selected a non-damaging move, or if the target already executed its move this turn."
Bones and TK are both damaging moves, TK is similar to Psychic which works by lifting up the opponent and throwing them with psychic power (there's other applications but it is one of them and Me first works perfectly with them)
Sans's TK doesn't do damage so it wouldn't count.
Since it is similar to Psychic, it would, and even then like, sure, what would it do? She'll just use it again when he summons bones.
How does Pheromosa even have time to do everything you're suggesting at once? You're saying she uses Quiver Dance/Agility, Me First, and Silver Wind/Bug Buzz ALL at the same time which pokemon just can't do
No, these are options. The speed boost will allow her to avoid the attacks better and attack way faster which will also allow her more options, like the abovementioned ones.
Silver Wind is the option in case she gets surrounded by danmaku. Me First is simply a thing she can do if she needs to.
 
when grace ends you say that grace ended rather than grace, as we say grace when it starts. Not a rule or anything but just tradition.
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Raichu wasn't slower than Pikachu in that fight, Pikachu is faster due to speed attacks it couldn't learn
then again, it'd go back to the previous few seconds Pheromosa needs, which is about 4-5. Sans can kill in that time since Pheromosa can't dodge without the buffs
Start doing something means nothing when the opponent will already be using agility and running full speed ahead
sans thinks a thought and bones and blasters start flying everywhere. It's the same thing. Sans blocking any attack with bones means Pheromosa just crashes face first into the bones and dies almost instantly due to soul damage
No he cannot. He can fill a certain area with bones, specifically the area where we fight. Nothing suggests its actually the whole judgement hall.
Sans fills the entire playable area with bones if you spare him to such an extent that Frisk literally has nowhere to go to dodge. There's no reason why he wouldn't use it against someone who's trying to blitz him
He cannot attack "literally everywhere", otherwise he'd kill Frisk instantly. He can do insane danmaku but one, he'd need to actually land it, two it also takes time to do these types of attacks as well, only the bone attack is extremely fast relatively and even then there's tells. By the time he manages to use his first serious danmaku attacks Pheromosa will already be using agility or something that can shred through the danmaku.
First of all, he literally can attack everywhere with his save attack. Second of all, shredding through Danmaku with projectiles that Pheromosa never uses in any form of media or the games and never uses in character seems extremely unlikely compared to Sans just... attacking
No it is not, Sans kills you fast but it isn't instant. Even if we assume Pheromosa has lower hp than Frisk at that stage, it will still take time to actually shred through her soul and that time is more than enough for her to use a counter-attack
Sans kills lv.19 armored Frisk in a little over a second if you stay in his attacks for the entire time. If Pheromosa is treated like a lv.1 unarmored Frisk, then she dies in less than a fifth of that time. So she dies in less than a fifth of a second. That is instant for all intents and purposes. Pheromosa makes contact with one and before she realizes she's gonna die she just dies. I find it highly unlikely that Pheromosa can think of a reasonable counterattack before she dies
Bones and TK are both damaging moves, TK is similar to Psychic which works by lifting up the opponent and throwing them with psychic power (there's other applications but it is one of them and Me first works perfectly with them)
Psychic doesn't work like that in the games. It blasts you with concussive force, it doesn't pick you up and toss you around. Telekinesis is ALSO a pokemon move that DOESN'T do damage, and what that does is lift you in the air. That's exactly what Sans's TK is, and it's much more similar to it than it is to Psychic. Me First fails when Telekinesis is used in-game, so I think it should also fail when used here, not to mention again, it's not something Pheromosa has ever done in-character. Her in character strategy is to bumrush you
No, these are options. The speed boost will allow her to avoid the attacks better and attack way faster which will also allow her more options, like the abovementioned ones.
Silver Wind is the option in case she gets surrounded by danmaku. Me First is simply a thing she can do if she needs to.
Her first option is to use Agility and use melee attacks. Even when faced against the mama Bewear who blitzed and bodied her through her Agility, her emergency response was to use more Agility, not use any of the other stuff you said. Sure they are options but the vast majority of the time she simply isn't using it.
 
well if the conversation ends up with me changing people's minds, then wouldn't the votes be rendered invalid?

at least wait another day or two, what's the rush?
grace is made for that purpose. There are many arguments where people end up arguing back and forth endlessly with some writing whole pages worth of replies to the point where it becomes pointless. We've been arguing for a bit and grace was reached properly after you already explained your arguments, it was like 6-1 before you commented and after you did it reached 10-1.

I will reply to your points later though.
 
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