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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Yuji's scale to Dabura because of self-affirmation makes no sense at all, he says that if Yuka were to lose (meaning Mahoraga being exorcised) He would then resolve the situation. But he knew nothing about Dabura, neither his techniques nor that he can travel at the speed of light etc, so his statement proves nothing. Yuji was sought out to face Dabura precisely because he was the strongest being known to humans, so they should try their luck with their ultimate weapon.

There's just one detail, If humanity classified Dabura as being on Sukuna's level, even if that's wrong and Dabura is actually stronger, it also means that humanity places Yuji on Sukuna's level. It's basically a "Hmm, a terrible Sukuna-level opponent? Call Itadori Yuji!!" And although humanity doesn't know enough about Dabura, they do know about Sukuna and Yuji, so, equalize Yuji Modulo to Sukuna (even if probably) should be the bare minimum on this site.
 
so not even yuji is getting 6C, damn
dabura and maho being top 1-2 was not on my modulo bingo board
 
GTsek said:
Yuji's scale to Dabura because of self-affirmation makes no sense at all, he says that if Yuka were to lose (meaning Mahoraga being exorcised) He would then resolve the situation. But he knew nothing about Dabura, neither his techniques nor that he can travel at the speed of light etc, so his statement proves nothing. Yuji was sought out to face Dabura precisely because he was the strongest being known to humans, so they should try their luck with their ultimate weapon.
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Not gonna comment on who is gonna win or something but this is completely you just lack the knowledge on how CE reinforcements works. Characters can tell how much stronger someone is by that. It's not hard for Yuji to know how strong Dabura is. We literally see it's been shown throughout the series
Hakari being kilometres away from Sukuna vs Shinjuku squad can literally tell how much strong he was and how much weaker he had gotten and Sukuna can tell how strong other characters are by reading the output. You can't be serious about using this as arguments.
GTsek said:
There's just one detail, If humanity classified Dabura as being on Sukuna's level, even if that's wrong and Dabura is actually stronger, it also means that humanity places Yuji on Sukuna's level. It's basically a "Hmm, a terrible Sukuna-level opponent? Call Itadori Yuji!!" And although humanity doesn't know enough about Dabura, they do know about Sukuna and Yuji, so, equalize Yuji Modulo to Sukuna (even if probably) should be the bare minimum on this site.
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Another lack of knowledge for you that they have information on Sukuna and Gojo and Dabura prior fight output since they have first handedly met him. Idk where you are making these headcanons that they shouldn't know how strong he is.
 
Regarding Yuta, I think the least we can do for him is to praise the amount of cursed energy that he has with the ring. . And there is also a possibility that one of the attacks against the curses in Tokyo was launched by Tsurikka (to me, it's obvious, but some disagree). And so we should also praise his CE output, since it's all done mostly by Rikka, Tsurugi only swung the sword. It's also possible to consider that in his prime (or old age, since the energy accumulated over time) he would have had this enormous amount of energy + extremely high output + all the hax he obtained in JJK. But even so, That's not enough for a Modulo key for him, right? He only appears in silhouettes and mentions, and look at how many puzzles are needed to justify his scale...
 
Ozcantabak said:
Didn't he use simple domain for that tho ? Even Kenjaku comments he used new shadow style and if a tiny uzumaki could put a hole in Yuki i don't think base Kusakabe scales to maximum uzumaki.
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Well Mini Uzumaki is a compressed and concentrated at a single point. So it's AP would be effective. What Kusakabe took was not the same. It's a wide explosion? We have Supernova doing less damage compared to PB. If that example for you to understand the difference between normal Uzumaki and Mini Uzumaki
 
GTsek said:
Regarding Yuta, I think the least we can do for him is to praise the amount of cursed energy that he has with the ring. . And there is also a possibility that one of the attacks against the curses in Tokyo was launched by Tsurikka (to me, it's obvious, but some disagree). And so we should also praise his CE output, since it's all done mostly by Rikka, Tsurugi only swung the sword. It's also possible to consider that in his prime (or old age, since the energy accumulated over time) he would have had this enormous amount of energy + extremely high output + all the hax he obtained in JJK. But even so, That's not enough for a Modulo key for him, right? He only appears in silhouettes and mentions, and look at how many puzzles are needed to justify his scale...
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Nah. Yuta just didn't fight all these decades so he stored ce over time. Maru made it clear
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Not gonna comment on who is gonna win or something but this is completely you just lack the knowledge on how CE reinforcements works. Characters can tell how much stronger someone is by that. It's not hard for Yuji to know how strong Dabura is. We literally see it's been shown throughout the series
Hakari being kilometres away from Sukuna vs Shinjuku squad can literally tell how much strong he was and how much weaker he had gotten and Sukuna can tell how strong other characters are by reading the output. You can't be serious about using this as arguments.

Another lack of knowledge for you that they have information on Sukuna and Gojo and Dabura prior fight output since they have first handedly met him. Idk where you are making these headcanons that they shouldn't know how strong he is.
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I don't know where you got the idea that supposedly having information about Dabura (who they never saw fighting) means that humanity and Yuji knew he could move near-light speed and shoot beams of light... but if you believe that, I'm not the one who's going to change your mind.

Knowing how strong an opponent is by sensing his energy doesn't make someone aware of that opponent's techniques. What good is it for Yuji to be able to sense through Dabura's energy that he's capable of defeating him, but when he gets there Dabura has near-light speed and shoots beams of light, and Yuji has nothing to deal with that?
 
GTsek said:
I don't know where you got the idea that supposedly having information about Dabura (who they never saw fighting) means that humanity and Yuji knew he could move near-light speed and shoot beams of light... but if you believe that, I'm not the one who's going to change your mind.

Knowing how strong an opponent is by sensing his energy doesn't make someone aware of that opponent's techniques. What good is it for Yuji to be able to sense through Dabura's energy that he's capable of defeating him, but when he gets there Dabura has near-light speed and shoots beams of light, and Yuji has nothing to deal with that?
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No u don't understand. Yuji's full potential was unlocked and he's on par with Sukuna meaning he's relative to Dabura and therefore already LS. Yuji also developed greater ce sensing to understand one's ct. Yuji just sensed big as ce sparks
 
Arkenis said:
Não. Yuta simplesmente não lutou durante todas essas décadas, então acumulou energia vital ao longo do tempo. Maru deixou isso bem claro.
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Well, I don't remember it being mentioned that the total energy of the ring decreased every time Yuta used it in JJK...
 
Arkenis said:
No u don't understand. Yuji's full potential was unlocked and he's on par with Sukuna meaning he's relative to Dabura and therefore already LS. Yuji also developed greater ce sensing to understand one's ct. Yuji just sensed big as ce sparks
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Gojo would be envious to know that Yuji has the ability to discover his opponent's techniques without having the six eyes...
 
GTsek said:
I don't know where you got the idea that supposedly having information about Dabura (who they never saw fighting) means that humanity and Yuji knew he could move near-light speed and shoot beams of light... but if you believe that, I'm not the one who's going to change your mind.
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Oh brother go back and read what I said properly and come back. Not with these irrelevant replies.
GTsek said:
Knowing how strong an opponent is by sensing his energy doesn't make someone aware of that opponent's techniques. What good is it for Yuji to be able to sense through Dabura's energy that he's capable of defeating him, but when he gets there Dabura has near-light speed and shoots beams of light, and Yuji has nothing to deal with that?
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Why does it's hard for Yuta fans to read? Did I even once mentioned anything about Yuji defeating Dabura? Yuji can know how much stronger Dabura can reinforce himself and think he can have a chance doesn't mean he wins but it does indicates he has enough AP to harm him. I didn't say he can travel at SOL.
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Gojo would be envious to know that Yuji has the ability to discover his opponent's techniques without having the six eyes...
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Gojo and Yuta would be disappointed that their fans can't read the arguments properly and throwing random replies to downplay their student and junior.
 
GTsek said:
Well, I don't remember it being mentioned that the total energy of the ring decreased every time Yuta used it in JJK...
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Didn't say that. I'm saying the ring's power now can't help to scale Yuta because its ce accumulated over decades meaning he wasn't draining it.
 
Me: Characters can tell how strong other characters are by reading the CE output Which is shown throughout the series

GTsek: I'm not gonna read your lines properly but let me reply some irrelevant stuff like characters can't tell others CT information. Yuji shouldn't be SOL or he should catch Dabura.

Arkenis: I know what you meant Elde but my job is to rage bait so let me just go along with GTsek irrelevant stuff.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Oh brother go back and read what I said properly and come back. Not with these irrelevant replies.

Why does it's hard for Yuta fans to read? Did I even once mentioned anything about Yuji defeating Dabura? Yuji can know how much stronger Dabura can reinforce himself and think he can have a chance doesn't mean he wins but it does indicates he has enough AP to harm him. I didn't say he can travel at.

Gojo and Yuta would be disappointed that their fans can't read the arguments properly and throwing random replies to downplay their student and junior.
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Firstly, I'm not even an Yuta fan, and secondly, I didn't understand what you said before due to a language barrier, but now that I understand, it's irrelevant, since your argument doesn't make Yuji capable of keeping up with Dabura's speed, and the part about being able to hurt Dabura is pure exaggeration. In any case, there is no scale from Yuji to Dabura based on self-declaration.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Me: Characters can tell how strong other characters are by reading the CE output Which is shown throughout the series

GTsek: I'm not gonna read your lines properly but let me reply some irrelevant stuff like characters can't tell others CT information. Yuji shouldn't be SOL or he should catch Dabura.

Arkenis: I know what you meant Elde but my job is to rage bait so let me just go along with GTsek irrelevant stuff.
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Wdym? Yuij's able to sense at the SOL so he'd clearly understand how powerful Dabura is
 
GTsek said:
Firstly, I'm not even an Yuta fan, and secondly, I didn't understand what you said before due to a language barrier, but now that I understand, it's irrelevant, since your argument doesn't make Yuji capable of keeping up with Dabura's speed, and the part about being able to hurt Dabura is pure exaggeration. In any case, there is no scale from Yuji to Dabura based on self-declaration.
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EldemadeDityjon said:
Me: Characters can tell how strong other characters are by reading the CE output Which is shown throughout the series

GTsek: I'm not gonna read your lines properly but let me reply some irrelevant stuff like characters can't tell others CT information. Yuji shouldn't be SOL or he should catch Dabura.

Arkenis: I know what you meant Elde but my job is to rage bait so let me just go along with GTsek irrelevant stuff.
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You are proving my point. Did I even once say Yuji can keep up with Dabura or he is SOL? I don't think you understand difference between AP, Speed, Lifting strength and durability and how they are treating here and character can be equal in AP and durability while speed can vary and one can lose to another by various methods.
 
Arkenis said:
Didn't say that. I'm saying the ring's power now can't help to scale Yuta because its ce accumulated over decades meaning he wasn't draining it.
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Ah yes, I agree with that, my comment It was meant to say that to have any scale for Yuta Modulo would require making too many assumptions. Besides, he doesn't even have enough appearances to justify a new key.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
You are proving my point. Did I even once say Yuji can keep up with Dabura or he is SOL? I don't think you understand difference between AP, Speed, Lifting strength and durability and how they are treating here and character can be equal in AP and durability while speed can vary and one can lose to another by various methods.
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I meant that I had previously understood you were trying to justify a scale from Yuji to Dabura in general terms, But then I understood your argument, and since you weren't really trying to do that, it would be irrelevant to what I was saying.
 
GTsek said:
I meant that I had previously understood you were trying to justify a scale from Yuji to Dabura in general terms, But then I understood your argument, and since you weren't really trying to do that, it would be irrelevant to what I was saying.
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I meant only CE reinforcements (AP and Durability) nothing about speed but you are keep bringing that up. Sure you can argue he doesn't scale to him in speed since various reasons. But AP and durability like I said it's not hard for characters to guess how strong other guy is with CE reinforcements and Yuji made that statement after LS kick I'm not saying he scales to LS kick don't get me wrong. I'm taking about normal reinforcements Dabura does. It's not hard for Yuji to see the output and tell how strong he is.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I meant only CE reinforcements (AP and Durability) nothing about speed but you are keep bringing that up. Sure you can argue he doesn't scale to him in speed since various reasons. But AP and durability like I said it's not hard for characters to guess how strong other guy is with CE reinforcements and Yuji made that statement after LS kick I'm not saying he scales to LS kick don't get me wrong. I'm taking about normal reinforcements Dabura does. It's not hard for Yuji to see the output and tell how strong he is.
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Well, This actually supports what I said anyway. Yuji at least scales to Sukuna because humanity determined he was strong enough to handle a Sukuna-level incident. His feeling that he could defeat Dabura might support that. Well, if Dabura's body can normally withstand the acceleration up to the limit of kinetic energy and only suffee damage when he reaches the speed of light, then Yuji could scale to his AP/Dura as well. And if we consider that Mahoraga gets physically stronger with each adaptation, then it means that in his base form he couldn't hurt Dabura, he needed four spins to do, so in this way, We can throw away the scale arguments of Sukuna 16F > Mahoraga of Shibuya = Dabura
 
IIRC it is mentioned that the point of cursed tools is that you can fill it with CE without it losing CE. Yuta effectively had the most CE of all modern sorcerers and lived to 70+ years old, so from 17 yo to 70+ he's been filling his cursed ring with curse energy. It can house more energy at one point than he could ever have.
We also know his output isn't quite high as the high output guys or high output fighters or high output attacks.

Yuta doesn't really scale to Sukuna, outside of that, it's made clear that absolutely no one in the actual story says or wants you to believe Yuta is that strong and he didn't even get one of those "strongest" portraits like the actual strongest.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
IIRC it is mentioned that the point of cursed tools is that you can fill it with CE without it losing CE. Yuta effectively had the most CE of all modern sorcerers and lived to 70+ years old, so from 17 yo to 70+ he's been filling his cursed ring with curse energy. It can house more energy at one point than he could ever have.
We also know his output isn't quite high as the high output guys or high output fighters or high output attacks.

Yuta doesn't really scale to Sukuna, outside of that, it's made clear that absolutely no one in the actual story says or wants you to believe Yuta is that strong and he didn't even get one of those "strongest" portraits like the actual strongest.
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Well, everyone knows this, any kind of scale would be for a key with the ring. But I don't know if it's justifiable for him to have a key for the Modulo.

And to be fair, Yuta died around 2074, and Módulo begins in 2084, It makes no sense for people to declare him as the strongest. But Yuka knows Sukuna as "The one who gave grandpa that scar" haha
 
GTsek said:
Well, everyone knows this, any kind of scale would be for a key with the ring. But I don't know if it's justifiable for him to have a key for the Modulo.

And to be fair, Yuta died around 2074, and Módulo begins in 2084, It makes no sense for people to declare him as the strongest. But Yuka knows Sukuna as "The one who gave grandpa that scar" haha
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They didn't declare him strongest at the time because he was never the strongest. I think this is a bit clearer when one sees that Yuta's son went to Yuji. I do think Yuta did get stronger than he was as a teenager, but there's no real implication even in those short flashbacks that he was anywhere near the "calamity" from 70 years prior or the current strongest or the coming strongest.
 
WhydoIneedtosignupintwoplaces said:
They didn't declare him strongest at the time because he was never the strongest. I think this is a bit clearer when one sees that Yuta's son went to Yuji. I do think Yuji did get stronger than he was as a teenager, but there's no real implication even in those short flashbacks that he was anywhere near the "calamity" from 70 years prior or the current strongest or the coming strongest.
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Well, I don't think Yuta's crazy son is a valid argument... Yuta most likely disagreed with him on the type of strength he was seeking, so he went after Yuji and then disappeared.
 
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