Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Sus]

Dabura doesn't even scale to Yuka's Makora. It's explicitly the strongest one by the end, its physicality has adapted to be a whole one-shot gap above the top tiers.

new chapter of zabazabkaisen just dropped

 

[Zabazab]

Makora adapts to brute force easily —> Makora spun several times after experiencing sublight force —> Makora now eats that level of AP for breakfast

 

[Arkenis]

Makora adapts to brute force easily —> Makora spun several times after experiencing sublight force —> Makora now eats that level of AP for breakfast

When did he eat that attack???

 

[Sus]

we see maho and dabura fight evenly post-kick, so while maho has god tier physicals when adapted, he absolutely does not one shot

 

[Qurbonboev]

WOMB Naoya is H7-C while Hanami is 8-B despite the literal statement that even curse naoya gets gaped by Hanami in durability;

Curseya durability is higher when he is accelerating

Heavy Hitters are scaling to 15-16F Sukuna

What?!?! Sukuna upscales from them, not other way around

 

[Rodriiogo]

3F > mahito > heavy hitters

It should be
Disaster Curses >2.5x> Nanami ~ Todo >~ Every Grade 1 (Including that bum Naoya specially, even in womb and curse form)

Via Mahito at 40% still being superior to 100% Todo (2.5x difference), supported by the fact that 30% of Domain Dagon's power was enough to overpower Nanami (Which would be 36% of Regular Dagon therefore a ~2.7x gap).

Only Curse Naoya's AP via acceleration (Binding vow) would scale to Maki;

Curseya durability is higher when he is accelerating

I bolded the word "WOMB". Womb Naoya is scaling to Maki currently because he "slammed her against the wall" (did 0 damage but the wiki ignores that, he shouldn't scale to Maki at all other than with Curse + Acceleration Binding vow, he was doing 0 damage and just overpowering her with LS and his size before that)

What?!?! Sukuna upscales from them, not other way around

They should not be relative, Sukuna has a statement basically putting him 10x above them. That was the point, he is scaling relative to them, when he shouldn't.

 

[Specterxxxx]

No I am not lmao. That isn't confidence, that's him begrudgingly saying he'll have to handle the mess cuz again, no one else can.

Does humanity consider mahoraga to be superior to yuji? that is the only way your argument can work

 

[Sus]

It should be
Disaster Curses >2.5x> Nanami ~ Todo >~ Every Grade 1 (Including that bum Naoya specially, even in womb and curse form)

Via Mahito at 40% still being superior to 100% Todo (2.5x difference), supported by the fact that 30% of Domain Dagon's power was enough to overpower Nanami (Which would be 36% of Regular Dagon therefore a ~2.7x gap).

Only Curse Naoya's AP via acceleration (Binding vow) would scale to Maki;

3f is between jogo and mahito no?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Makora adapts to brute force easily

With the exception of Satoru Gojo (mid diffs Dabura btw)

Makora spun several times after experiencing sublight force —> Makora now eats that level of AP for breakfast

We just making headcanons now, fairs.

But being serious, he adapts to it yes but we don't know to what extent, you are essentially just making your own head-canon and nothing EVER implies the idea that he was a one shot level above ANYONE.

 

[Sus]

Does humanity consider mahoraga to be superior to yuji? that is the only way your argument can work

tbf mahoraga reached heights never seen before against dabura

if we cant scale gojo and sukuna to 6C, yuji shouldn't scale either

 

[Arkenis]

Does humanity consider mahoraga to be superior to yuji? that is the only way your argument can work

Dude reread the manga, they got Mahoraga cuz they could't find Yuji. This is still irrelevant to if Yuji scales to Mahoraga off a damn statement about him handling the situation.

 

[Arkenis]

tbf mahoraga reached heights never seen before against dabura

if we cant scale gojo and sukuna to 6C, yuji shouldn't scale either

THANK YOU. WHY TF WOULD YUJI KNOW DABURA IS LIGHT SPEED AND MAHORAGA ADAPTED TO THAT???

 

[Sus]

yuji doesnt need to worry about mahoraga as he will dip when he wins

he only has to worry if dabura won

 

[Arkenis]

BRO YUJI PROBABLY THINKS MAHORAGA IS STILL REGULAR OLD MAYBE LOSES TO 3F SUKUNA NOT ******* 20F+ SUKUNA LIGHT SPEED ADAPTING TO EXISTENCE LMAOOO

 

[Rodriiogo]

3f is between jogo and mahito no?

I'm a believer that Mahito grew alot until Shibuya, which I think is made clear by the story, how he grows from being beaten by school arc yuji w/ "rage boost" (CE) and Base Nanami to being over 2.5x stronger than a Todo who fought Kyoto Yuji with CE (around the same level as the school one) and being (honestly) superior to the Dagon that was superior to the same Nanami by also over 2.5x, plus considering how the disaster curses note his growth conveniently a few chapters before the Mahito fight starts, so I think it is entirely possible Mahito grew above 3F level since the school arc.

It is also noted in the school arc by Mahito himself that he was unexperienced and didn't even know he could shape his own body and was just learning about CE reinforcement.

Jogo is 5F level as confirmed by Gege, idt Shibuya Mahito would be that much different.

 

[Zabazab]

we see maho and dabura fight evenly post-kick

Dabura heals his leg, then figures out CTR, then sees Makora's adapting to his existence, then expands his Domain, then gets sent to Kenya. At no point do they actually clash again.

 

[Sus]

I'm a believer that Mahito grew alot until Shibuya, which I think is made clear by the story, how he grows from being beaten by school arc yuji w/ "rage boost" (CE) and Base Nanami to being over 2.5x stronger than a Todo who fought Kyoto Yuji with CE (around the same level as the school one) and being (honestly) superior to the Dagon that was superior to the same Nanami by also over 2.5x, plus considering how the disaster curses note his growth conveniently a few chapters before the Mahito fight starts, so I think it is entirely possible Mahito grew above 3F level since the school arc.

It is also noted in the school arc by Mahito himself that he was unexperienced and didn't even know he could shape his own body and was just learning about CE reinforcement.

Jogo is 5F level as confirmed by Gege, idt Shibuya Mahito would be that much different.

iirc mahito hadn't surpassed jogo by the time of their death, so at best i see mahito being comparable to 3F (jogo is repeatedly stated as only maybe stronger than 3f by both gojo and mahito himself)

 

[Qurbonboev]

Via Mahito at 40% still being superior to 100% Todo (2.5x difference),

In same panel he says that Yuji is at 10%. What do you think about it?

 

[Sus]

Dabura heals his leg, then figures out CTR, then sees Makora's adapting to his existence, then expands his Domain, then gets sent to Kenya. At no point do they actually clash again.

the "dancing" panel, im not shakespeare but thats 100% a metaphor to being equal

 

[Zabazab]

the "dancing" panel, im not shakespeare but thats 100% a metaphor to being equal

It is not. It's a metaphor for Dabura enjoying a fight for the first time in his life. Dabura and Makora do not ever touch eachother again after Dabura kicks at sublight speed.

 

[Arkenis]

Dabura heals his leg, then figures out CTR, then sees Makora's adapting to his existence, then expands his Domain, then gets sent to Kenya. At no point do they actually clash again.

Nah. They fought here, its Gege's way of off screening the fight but rest assured Dabura's leg just kept tanking several LS kicks until like maybe 20 of them did it in. That's why he says its getting in the way.

 

[Rodriiogo]

iirc mahito hadn't surpassed jogo by the time of their death, so at best i see mahito being comparable to 3F (jogo is repeatedly stated as only maybe stronger than 3f by both gojo and mahito himself)

I don't think it's ever said that he didn't surpass Jogo (tho I'm not saying that, I'm saying they should be comparable)

In same panel he says that Yuji is at 10%. What do you think about it?

Yuji has the advantage of having his strong physical body even without Cursed Energy, it's why even when he had 0 Cursed energy against Higuruma in CG he was still full on even above a regular Grade 1 level. Mahito analyzes his strength via his soul which is where HIS entire power comes from but not Yuji's. However I do also wanna note that this Yuji also doesn't full on scale to 40% Mahito, both him and Todo together were still struggling with 80% of that 40% Mahito's power when he divided himself yet again (which would be only 32% of FP Mahito's power, once again, making the Nanami with Dagon domain 30% consistent).

 

[Sus]

I don't think it's ever said that he didn't surpass Jogo (tho I'm not saying that, I'm saying they should be comparable)

the panel about him growing stronger smth smth i really forgot ngl

anyway only jogo got the maybe stronger statement

 

[Qurbonboev]

Snip

Interesting. Will note this

However I do also wanna note that this Yuji also doesn't full on scale to 40% Mahito,

No worry. All Mahito feats are bunks/irrelevant for scaling now. Grade 1s would scale to Kusakabe deflecting Uzumaki(60 tonnes), Mei Mei and Nanami have more "horsepower" than him, Shibuya Yuji has equal SS to Nanami, etc...

This would look like this

 

[Arkenis]

This would look like this

I'd remove that 200% increase, its his body that is tougher not him physically stronger. 強度 means strong/intensity and its in relation to how extreme its become aka its referring to his soul's evolution.

 

[AthelChan]

 

[Treeztarz]

 

[Crimsonobu]

Sukuna should low-key gets weapon mastery and marksmanship for this . Totallly

 

[Ozcantabak]

Grade 1s would scale to Kusakabe deflecting Uzumaki(60 tonnes)

Didn't he use simple domain for that tho ? Even Kenjaku comments he used new shadow style and if a tiny uzumaki could put a hole in Yuki i don't think base Kusakabe scales to maximum uzumaki.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Didn't he use simple domain for that tho ? Even Kenjaku comments he used new shadow style and if a tiny uzumaki could put a hole in Yuki i don't think base Kusakabe scales to maximum uzumaki.

I think that if SD user doesn't have enough power to overpower incoming attack, SD won't help.

Regardless, if this scaling is contested, I would just scale everyone to Second FB(25 tonnes). Eso and Kechizu should be at least comparable to it, since they were sent to hunt curses like FB. Yuji upscales from it, gets stronger and equals to Nanami later on. Afterwards it's same chainscale

 

[Ozcantabak]

I think that if SD user doesn't have enough power to overpower incoming attack, SD won't help.

Regardless, if this scaling is contested, I would just scale everyone to Second FB(25 tonnes). Eso and Kechizu should be at least comparable to it, since they were sent to hunt curses like FB. Yuji upscales from it, gets stronger and equals to Nanami later on. Afterwards it's same chainscale

Kusakabe says his ce output rises while opponents techniques gets weakened in simple domain.

I think that works better than uzumaki scaling.

 

[LIGHTYW]

THANK YOU. WHY TF WOULD YUJI KNOW DABURA IS LIGHT SPEED AND MAHORAGA ADAPTED TO THAT???

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ARKENIS HERE.

 

[Sus]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ARKENIS HERE.

kashimo aint getting 6C cro

 

[LIGHTYW]

kashimo aint getting 6C cro

WHY? IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. HE'S ONE OF THE STRONGESTS, SURPASSED THE HUMAN REALM, HAS A SOL ATTACK, WENT TOE TO TOE WITH SUKUNA ETC ETC

 

[LIGHTYW]

ALSO, WHY ISNT MBA HYPERSONIC WITH RELA REACTIONS JUST LIKE TF SUKUNA?

 

[Sus]

ALSO, WHY ISNT MBA HYPERSONIC WITH RELA REACTIONS JUST LIKE TF SUKUNA?

i can see it actually, since he kinda reacted to the sukuna that blitzed choso (where hypersonic comes from)

but good luck getting it accepted on wiki

 

[Arkenis]

Besides the rel stuff, Kashimo's the only person in jjk who would be higher than supersonic besides Gojo and Sukuna.

 

[LIGHTYW]

i can see it actually, since he kinda reacted to the sukuna that blitzed choso (where hypersonic comes from)

but good luck getting it accepted on wiki

PLUS HE WAS MORE INTERESTED AND SERIOUS + USED KAMUTOKE AS A SMOKE-SCREEN AGAINST KASHIMO.

Besides the rel stuff, Kashimo's the only person in jjk who would be higher than supersonic besides Gojo and Sukuna.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!

 

[LIGHTYW]

i can see it actually, since he kinda reacted to the sukuna that blitzed choso (where hypersonic comes from)

but good luck getting it accepted on wiki

BRO, THIS WIKI WONT DARE STOP ME AND MY FACTS.

 

[Sus]

Besides the rel stuff, Kashimo's the only person in jjk who would be higher than supersonic besides Gojo and Sukuna.

and yorozu with armor