The Boys discussion thread

[57Dev]

I am working on that Homelander scene. The COD Model is downright gorgeous, (say whatever about the decline in gameplay quality, the technical work is staggering. The fact the model works perfectly on my pc and the textures only needed a few tweaks to look more realistic ? Absolute gold. And they have black noir too.)

Although my Ceiling fan went out in the pc room so the work is stopped. Shit is 37°C here and I can't keep the ac on full time so gonna have to wait to fix it.

 

[57Dev]

To think that if it wasn't for the animated episode becoming canon, and some statements, Homelander wouldn't even get out of 8-C lmao

(Btw, does anyone think if the atomic bomb statement could warrant anything? Yes, I know they were talking about radiation, but Ben says "survive an atomic bomb")

Not really. At best you can say the chamber simulated the radiation of a detonation. But nothing to with the intense heat, pressure and shockwave.

 

[Dalesean027]

Just look at Transformers movie quality it was crazy good for a budget far less then some mcu movies despite having great cgi and being made about 20 years ago.

Again its not a budget thing, if you want a modern example look at a show like Superman and Lois, its got a fraction of a fraction of the budget The Boys has yet has far more visually impressive displays on a constant basis





Hell Stargirl has better visuals and feats

 

[Isaacbobanka]

To think that if it wasn't for the animated episode becoming canon, and some statements, Homelander wouldn't even get out of 8-C lmao

(Btw, does anyone think if the atomic bomb statement could warrant anything? Yes, I know they were talking about radiation, but Ben says "survive an atomic bomb")

I mean there is this statement from Madelyn Stillwell from season 1

"There isn't a weapon on Earth that they haven't thrown at him. They've all failed"

 

[Isaacbobanka]

Again its not a budget thing

It is because it depends on how its spent and because the actors of the boys have high salarys (budget thing) and there being plenty of cameos the budget was simply not enough for lots of cgi.

If we look back into previous seasons even gen v all other seasons have more fight scenes than this season.

 

[GunshyFever]

Can't believe I'm saying this, but if that is true, Netflix would have done a better job.

 

[Dalesean027]

It is because it depends on how its spent and because the actors of the boys have high salarys (budget thing) and there being plenty of cameos the budget was simply not enough for lots of cgi.

S4 of SM&L was its lowest budget season and it maintained its high quality visuals due to having a solid direction and vision added with the fact that they ensured they delayed releasing the season for time to focus on refining the CGI with what they had in the budget. Its fully just a matter of good creative direction and time. The Boys being much bigger of a series should be able to do the same thing but they obviously don't have good direction. None of the seasons had good visual direction when it comes to high tier feats even with bigger budgets by your own argument. Legit the highest feat in the show itself is 8-C with like 500 other 9-B feats otherwise, the scale has been cooked from the start

 

[AthelChan]

the thing is, its not even a matter of budget either. Not when in the early 2001~2010 you had shit like this getting delivered in Smallville for throwaway scenes in like every other episode as just regular ass scenes.

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Like legit this is purely a matter of poor direction in regards to scale, like dawg OG shows like Heroes had better visual feats than the shit The Boys does and those shows didn't near have the budget of today's stuff. Its a lack of creativity and direction

i really like how smallville was moving

 

[Phoenks]

Amazon is so bad at budgeting

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Amazon is so bad at budgeting

Yeah, besides this, we have Kirkman trying to get celebrity voice actors for Invincible with **** all care for animation, just pumping budget in voice actors so he can hang out with them.

In retrospect its a bit funny that The Boys made fun of MCU when they are somewhat getting back into gear (Thunderbolts and F4: First Steps were peak, and now Daredevil and Punisher are good), meanwhile they became what they parodied.

 

[AthelChan]

Amazon is so bad at budgeting

cough cough invincible

 

[Isaacbobanka]

S4 of SM&L was its lowest budget season and it maintained its high quality visuals due to having a solid direction and vision added with the fact that they ensured they delayed releasing the season for time to focus on refining the CGI with what they had in the budget. Its fully just a matter of good creative direction and time. The Boys being much bigger of a series should be able to do the same thing but they obviously don't have good direction. None of the seasons had good visual direction when it comes to high tier feats even with bigger budgets by your own argument. Legit the highest feat in the show itself is 8-C with like 500 other 9-B feats otherwise, the scale has been cooked from the start

I mean i have never argued that there are feats that exceed that level because i know there isn't one but there seems to be alot of statements that do point to higher tier all regarding the same thing and that being Homelander having higher durability than any human weapons including nukes which sometimes are also explained (like the Stan Edgar bunker).

Regarding visuals based on information regarding production the actors did take up alot more of the budget and it seemd they focused more on story rather than fight as both Homelander,Butcher and Solider Boy had alot of screen time which cost alot of money while also having for example Samuel Jacksson appear as a cameo. Yes if given more time the fights could look somewhat better but i heavily doubt they would have the budget if they had this amount of actors spending.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Amazon is so bad at budgeting

But good at taking money:

*Get Amazon Prime
*Pay extra to be ad free
*Pay extra for Amazon exclusive channels (e.g Prime Crunchyroll).

**Corporate extortion PROFIT!

 

[Just_Butchering]

Not really. At best you can say the chamber simulated the radiation of a detonation. But nothing to with the intense heat, pressure and shockwave.

Yeah, but I meant the implication. "They test if they can withstand radiation because they can already withstand the explosion"?

 

[57Dev]

If they already tested a nuke, there would be no point in building a simulation chamber.

Not to mention Vought simply doesn't have the reach to get a nuke. Up until season two they couldn't even get Supes into military until Homelander gave terrorists Compound V (one of his underrated genius moves. Yes it ****** over the company, but he achieved his goal forced fbi to stand down.)

 

[Ethnikistis]

Did they even test a nuke on Big Homes?
Idk seems like the statements doesn't imply that.

Plus am I the only one that thinks that the neutron bomb statement wasn't about homelander at all?

 

[AguilaR202]

The most I can give homie lander based on the fact military won’t f with him after White House take over is City Block levels based on the strongest non nuclear weapon at their disposal. Nukes are too much because of collateral damage so I see the plot reason of them not using them.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yeah, City Block level entirely makes sense based off statements, honestly. Weapons like the tsar bomba and such, and bigger nukes just aren’t usable in combat. They are heavy enough to need special ships to carry, have terrible effect on the environment and destroy whole cities

 

[Alexander]

Hey interisting question, did Hughie stop Butcher to prevent a mass genocide or he did to prevent the death of Annie?i think that regardless of the choice, he was doing something good compared to the pretty much "This is just bad no matter how you look at it" front.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Hey interisting question, did Hughie stop Butcher to prevent a mass genocide or he did to prevent the death of Annie?i think that regardless of the choice, he was doing something good compared to the pretty much "This is just bad no matter how you look at it" front.

It’s probably open to interpretation

 

[Randomuser3412]

The most I can give homie lander based on the fact military won’t f with him after White House take over is City Block levels based on the strongest non nuclear weapon at their disposal. Nukes are too much because of collateral damage so I see the plot reason of them not using them.

Not like nukes are hitting any singular person with more than building levels of energy at most

 

[Just_Butchering]

Hey interisting question, did Hughie stop Butcher to prevent a mass genocide or he did to prevent the death of Annie?i think that regardless of the choice, he was doing something good compared to the pretty much "This is just bad no matter how you look at it" front.

Never liked the implication that they were ok with the genocide, except for killing Kimiko and Annie.
I think in S4 they weren't ok with it, but by S5 they don't have much options for Homelander

Nevertheless, I still think he wanted to prevent a mass spread, because there was no excuse to killing so many people at that point.

 

[Reyne]

Also if Ryan had been training during the time skip explaining why he can keep up with V-One Homelander

With Butcher barely keeping up with Homelander plus actually saying Kimiko leveling up should've made her more durable to wistand her radiation blasts

It would be weird for Kimiko to have leveled up when Soldier Boy didn't. Bombsight being portrayed as strong as he was compared to him kind of knives that idea.

 

[Reyne]

Nothing showcases or implies that Homelander got stronger with the V-One

On god

Yeah, some point to him quickly knocking out Soldier Boy with a chokehold or flying that guy into speed in just a couple seconds, but the former is just a guy using a chokehold on someone turning their back to them and the other is for irony with little fan fair. No one acts like he's any more powerful.

 

[Just_Butchering]

It would be weird for Kimiko to have leveled up when Soldier Boy didn't. Bombsight being portrayed as strong as he was compared to him kind of knives that idea.

It's weird, especially since in the same episode she gets pierce by bullets like usual.

However, in EP1, she gets cut in half by the heat vision, and after the experiment she can tank it. I think the idea was to give her a power up, but it is weird.

 

[Just_Butchering]

If this calc gets accepted, we have a supporting feat for Oh Father (0.011 Tons) and an upgrade for Hughie and co (352 KJ)

 

[Queen_Dasania]

If this calc gets accepted, we have a supporting feat for Oh Father (0.011 Tons) and an upgrade for Hughie and co (352 KJ)

That’s perfect! Lines up with current scaling perfectly

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

If this calc gets accepted, we have a supporting feat for Oh Father (0.011 Tons) and an upgrade for Hughie and co (352 KJ)

I think the scaling line for Oh father shouldn't be slanted and instead should be straight up and down since he is standing straight up and drawing it that way introduces excess length. Could bump up the result a little higher into 9-A.

 

[Dalesean027]

I think the scaling line for Oh father shouldn't be slanted and instead should be straight up and down since he is standing straight up and drawing it that way introduces excess length. Could bump up the result a little higher into 9-A.

Its fine as is, its still his full height in a straight line, there's no need to really switch it. I'll look over the rest of it fully later ig

 

[FuriousFieryFist]

Its fine as is, its still his full height in a straight line, there's no need to really switch it. I'll look over the rest of it fully later ig

Can you check this out as well?

I made a calculation for Homelanders laser speed, but with how speed scaling in the show is going I don't know if it'll actually matter at all.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FuriousFieryFist/Homelander%27s_Laser_Speed

 

[Spinoirr]

We should probably dump all the new speed feats we have in one blog tbh

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

On the topic from a couple pages ago, while Homelander is obviously intended have some parallels with Trump I think viewing him as nothing more than a stand-in for the guy is a pretty reductive take on his character. John is a nuanced and multifaceted character whose vileness is treated as a product of his upbringing and environment. Our President's just a corrupt politician and businessman with the depth of a puddle.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

On the topic from a couple pages ago, while Homelander is obviously intended have some parallels with Trump I think viewing him as nothing more than a stand-in for the guy is a pretty reductive take on his character. John is a nuanced and multifaceted character whose vileness is treated as a product of his upbringing and environment. Our President's just a corrupt politician and businessman with the depth of a puddle.

I’ve been thinking this. It feels wrong viewing him as Trump. Feels like Trump would be moreso one of the people running vought

 

[mgtsti]

Actually, Antony Starr once said Trump is so one-dimensional, maybe one-and-a-half dimensional, that he's only usable for certain things.

 

[Comiphorous]

On the topic from a couple pages ago, while Homelander is obviously intended have some parallels with Trump I think viewing him as nothing more than a stand-in for the guy is a pretty reductive take on his character. John is a nuanced and multifaceted character whose vileness is treated as a product of his upbringing and environment. Our President's just a corrupt politician and businessman with the depth of a puddle.

My biggest complaint on Season 5 is that Homelander was actually the big bad through the entire thing, and not Vought itself.

Homelander is and always was a victim of the system he was created in that Vought set up. Vought not being dealt with means they have free reign to try whatever they want again, and will do something equally as bad or worse to another child, creating another victim of the system Homelander was created in. Homelander's character was built on this aspect, but we never really saw anything past the fact Vought did that to him. Vought more or less came out scott free regarding what they did to him.

Homelander's still a piece of shit though.

 

[PresentTrunks]

To think that if it wasn't for the animated episode becoming canon, and some statements, Homelander wouldn't even get out of 8-C lmao

(Btw, does anyone think if the atomic bomb statement could warrant anything? Yes, I know they were talking about radiation, but Ben says "survive an atomic bomb")

We'd have the Soldier Boy stuff, which SB himself and Maeve scale to.

 

[Spinoirr]

On the topic from a couple pages ago, while Homelander is obviously intended have some parallels with Trump I think viewing him as nothing more than a stand-in for the guy is a pretty reductive take on his character. John is a nuanced and multifaceted character whose vileness is treated as a product of his upbringing and environment. Our President's just a corrupt politician and businessman with the depth of a puddle.

I more so view Homelander as like the ultimate manifestation of literary everything wrong with America in general plus Trump

 

[57Dev]

Senator Armstrong would crash out if he saw America right now.

 

[57Dev]

All weapons failing against Homelander doesn't even have to be about durability.

Nothing humanity has built is ever hitting someone as fast as him. Even if you ignore the feats, his canon speed combined with that insane maneuverability makes him near untouchable.

No missile is doing a sharp 90° turn at Mach 2.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

S5 really is chalk full of travel speed slop lol​

• Jetstreak flying into the clouds within seconds (how TF did Hughie just tank being rammed at this speed)
  • Starlight flew fast enough to catch Hughie mid-fall
• Mister Marathon's feat (assuming he wasn't lying)
• Ryan flying from the Russian border to America
• Homelander's space flight
• Starlight flying Deep from the White House to whatever body of water that was
• Ryan flying from his cabin "outside Kolvereid" (Norway) to the White House to participate in the final battle (Time frame might be ambiguous on this one)
  • (Edit: Apparently he was still in his cabin during Homelander's speech before arriving to the Oval Office shortly after it ends so he must've traveled all that way in a matter of minutes)