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The Boys discussion thread

That's still not "way weaker". It's only a bit weaker. They are relative. It is the definition of relative.
That’s definitely way weaker. If I land 4 clean hits and they barely react before sending my ass to the floor with a single hit. Thats being weaker.
The other absolutely do not share the weakness Godolkin has. Only his power has that drawback. It is idiotic to nerf 3 pyschics with the weakness on one when the others clearly don't have such weaknesses.
Basically all good hax abilities are weak to stronger characters in The Boys, why would this be an exception.
 
Is it possible the effect of V1 was similar to v2 for supes. Taking it causes temporary boosts in power whereas long term degradation making u weaker off it. If you really want to explain it away.
 
Its stated in Gen V you have to be specifically really powerful to control Homelander, he would probably laugh and one shot Synapse

That’s in the case of Godolkin. So Godolkin would get one shotted, yeah. But not every power works the same. I mean, Mindstorm could take down Soldier Boy should he look into his eyes. Could probably do the same to Homelander. Of course, as long as Homelander knows this, he can just laser him from a distance

Likewise, Synapse can use his powers on Butcher, who is more powerful than Marie. So he’s clearly not limited in the same way Godolkin is. Of course he may also need some kind of distance, so maybe he’s also susceptible to the laser
 
Peak human,around that ig.
Its piercing AP so its different.
Would make sense since Butcher used to be an FBI agent.

AP wise, it’s definitely a street level feat. Butcher is wall level anyway, so it’s not a significant feat for him. I agree with it being Peak Human lifting. The crowbar certainly made it easier, but I still can’t imagine regular humans doing that
 
Might get some low hypersonic supersonic+ scaling for supes who can dodge them such as the herogasm 3v1
No one reacted to HV. It's hard to see at some points, but people just either ain dodge it or get blitzed by it (I know because I rewatched all the supposed instances, but either they see the glowing eyes and moves out/block, or they don't react after getting hit/someone close gets hit)
Because some people think that visual depiction=actual speed.
When you have fight scenes where the people (that's mean to be normal people) can still move just normally, it's hard to justify the fight is held at Hypersonic or higher speeds.

Also the show does have clear and different depictions for speed (A-Train's running or Homelander's flight being presented as blurs compared to normal combat).
 
No one reacted to HV. It's hard to see at some points, but people just either ain dodge it or get blitzed by it (I know because I rewatched all the supposed instances, but either they see the glowing eyes and moves out/block, or they don't react after getting hit/someone close gets hit)

When you have fight scenes where the people (that's mean to be normal people) can still move just normally, it's hard to justify the fight is held at Hypersonic or higher speeds.

Also the show does have clear and different depictions for speed (A-Train's running or Homelander's flight being presented as blurs compared to normal combat).
Wouldve been weird visually to add the blur effects of Homies flight in the white house fight.
 
Wouldve been weird visually to add the blur effects of Homies flight in the white house fight.
That isn't really an argument against it, they consistently don't display their combat as being far faster than what normal dudes are capable of and that needs to be taken into account, even much lower budget live action superhero make a distinction between their fast fighters and normal speed dudes, the boys does this with A-Train while everyone else doesn't have this level of speed in combat and reactions


For all intensive purposes even MCU Quicksilver who is consistently in the subsonic+ ~ Supersonic range via statement + a Supersonic feat, is displays as visually far faster than everyone else in normal combat which is an anti-feat when others can clearly see the avegeners and co. Fight but not dudes who are visuslly shown to move as a blur


Ya can't ignore in-verse caps for whatever stats, if A-Train is only supersonic and everyone is slower, then your fanmade, third party calcs are not proof of consistency that these characters are beyond the cap, it just means you can get higher numbers through math.

A-Train statues everyone, blitzes everyone, and it's in season 1 a major point that he can't surpass certain speed, so it's obvious everyone is slower than said speed even if he does have some valid upscaling he is still a cap regardless
 
Wouldn't the fact that Homelander is trying his best to escape be a great deterrent against that? He would not reduce his speed while trying to escape a situation he clearly does not want to be in.
Not really because his take-offs in the fight were like superhuman~subsonic on screen, they weren't blitzing The Boys so it clearly wasn't far faster.


Recall The Boys are capped below the speed of sound or really capped below anything even on the higher end subsonic~subsonic+ range in combat and reactions and they are comparable to Homelander in combat and reactions so he evidently visually and scaling wise couldn't have been moving far faster in those instances
 
Did Homelander experience a power boost with the V1 or not?

Like, Homelander in the White House seemed weaker in the third season, but that's an atypical case.

Being injected with regular Compound V can already increase a superhero's powers, so being injected with one 10 times more potent should cause a considerable increase, which is suggested by the scene of him projecting his heat vision into the sky ( I'm not saying this increase justifies MHS or Country or Mountain, just that there was definitely an increase ).
 
Did Homelander experience a power boost with the V1 or not?

Like, Homelander in the White House seemed weaker in the third season, but that's an atypical case.

Being injected with regular Compound V can already increase a superhero's powers, so being injected with one 10 times more potent should cause a considerable increase, which is suggested by the scene of him projecting his heat vision into the sky ( I'm not saying this increase justifies MHS or Country or Mountain, just that there was definitely an increase ).
There is quite literally nothing that says he got an increase, all we know is that it made him immortal, you'd need to actually do work to prove that an increased occured rather than asking for proof that one didn't when you're asserting a claim saying he definitively got stronger
 
It hurts to think that most of these issues and powerscaling tendencies would have been fixed if the writers had actually made their superheroes more super and less like strong human brawlers.

When I started my first watch of The Boys, I was expecting Zack Snyder Superman vs Zod type feats and destruction especially after I had heard that Homelander was THE evil Superman. The show is great, but you lose a lot of glory when it is missing something that evidently every superhuman or superhero show should display.

With the way they portrayed Homelander, it looked as if a couple of strong Supes teaming up on him would be able to successfully beat him to death. Hell, going by narrative and statements, The Seven and The Boys teaming up against Homelander would be a lopsided wash in Homelander's favour. But going by showings, Queen Maeve, Black Noir and A-Train should be enough to kill him.
 
Not really because his take-offs in the fight were like superhuman~subsonic on screen, they weren't blitzing The Boys so it clearly wasn't far faster.


Recall The Boys are capped below the speed of sound or really capped below anything even on the higher end subsonic~subsonic+ range in combat and reactions and they are comparable to Homelander in combat and reactions so he evidently visually and scaling wise couldn't have been moving far faster in those instances
Yeah, the cap of S1 A-Train is 339 m/s (but in S5 he is stated to be faster than Homelander, who has a flight speed of Mach 1.5/1.6)

And for the Boys, the best speed I had related to reactions and combat was the Maeve one at 49 m/s
 
There is quite literally nothing that says he got an increase, all we know is that it made him immortal, you'd need to actually do work to prove that an increased occured rather than asking for proof that one didn't when you're asserting a claim saying he definitively got stronger
But didn't the first season already prove that with A-Train? Injecting a weaker compound V already gives an increase, it doesn't make sense that injecting V1 doesn't do anything. It also doesn't help that all the supers shown who had V1 in their bodies were stronger than most.
 
But didn't the first season already prove that with A-Train? Injecting a weaker compound V already gives an increase, it doesn't make sense that injecting V1 doesn't do anything. It also doesn't help that all the supers shown who had V1 in their bodies were stronger than most.
Thats just conjecture, you need to actually prove that this is the case. Without proof its just headcanon, we can only assume V1 does what we're told it would do which is simply making him immortal.
 
It's hilarious that on hand we have a buffet of MHS+ feats from Ryan and Homelander. And on the other hand we have the final fight.

Although I disagree with Dalesean. Enough feats can be used as an argument against in universe statements. I mean that's what we were trying to do for Dandadan (until everyone lost interest.)
 
It hurts to think that most of these issues and powerscaling tendencies would have been fixed if the writers had actually made their superheroes more super and less like strong human brawlers.

When I started my first watch of The Boys, I was expecting Zack Snyder Superman vs Zod type feats and destruction especially after I had heard that Homelander was THE evil Superman. The show is great, but you lose a lot of glory when it is missing something that evidently every superhuman or superhero show should display.

With the way they portrayed Homelander, it looked as if a couple of strong Supes teaming up on him would be able to successfully beat him to death. Hell, going by narrative and statements, The Seven and The Boys teaming up against Homelander would be a lopsided wash in Homelander's favour. But going by showings, Queen Maeve, Black Noir and A-Train should be enough to kill him.
Yeah I legit wasn't one of the one's here expecting some tier 7 or tier 6 nonsense but I did at least expect a portrayal of High 8-C or 8-B destruction on screen for Homelander at some point and we never got it, and make no mistake irl terms that level of destruction is freaking massive so it sucks to see the fight amounted to looking like two 9-Bs throwing hands
 
Thats just conjecture, you need to actually prove that this is the case. Without proof its just headcanon, we can only assume V1 does what we're told it would do which is simply making him immortal.
I don't think that makes sense, but okay, unfortunately the only remotely impressive thing Homelander did after V1 was take down Soldier Boy with a surprise chokehold, which he should be able to do without him, so meh.
 
I don't think that makes sense,
Having proof of your claims doesn't make sense?😭😭
Enough feats can be used as an argument against in universe statements.
Im not saying that they can't but in a case like this where they are far more anti-feats, statements, and low end stuff than the like 2 or 3 MHS things, the high end doesn't outweigh the most consistent shit and at best you can use it for peak flight speeds. Not to mention the clear distinction in visual identity they give speedster versus everyone else, its evident they aren't the same from a visual standpoint
 
Having proof of your claims doesn't make sense?😭😭
Yes, it makes sense to have proof for that, which unfortunately the series didn't provide in these last few episodes, but it did in the first season with A Train. V1 functions like Compound V, only more potent and unstable; it doesn't make sense that a basic characteristic of Compound V presented in the first season wouldn't be present in V1 if the rest is.

But unfortunately, you're right on that point, since the series didn't give any indication of it in this last season.
 
Yeah I legit wasn't one of the one's here expecting some tier 7 or tier 6 nonsense but I did at least expect a portrayal of High 8-C or 8-B destruction on screen for Homelander at some point and we never got it, and make no mistake irl terms that level of destruction is freaking massive so it sucks to see the fight amounted to looking like two 9-Bs throwing hands
What hurts is that they had the budget to do something more similar to James Gunn's Superman, not even Zack Snyder's. We have that Superman at around 8-B / 8-A and MHS, but the difference is that despite Homelander being indexed as stronger, that James Gunn Superman looks far more impressive and stronger because of his actual feats. They had every opportunity in Season 5 to do something scorched earth and escalate the tension and scale. But we got a decent White House fight against two Supes whom Homelander should easily be able to beat. Mind you, Ryan could barely even move Butcher. There is absolutely no way at this point that he should be doing anything to Homelander. Don't even get me started about Butcher hurting Homelander, there is no reason Butcher, who isn't even a strength type supe, should be doing anything to Homelander, only this at best;
 
What hurts is that they had the budget to do something more similar to James Gunn's Superman, not even Zack Snyder's. We have that Superman at around 8-B / 8-A and MHS, but the difference is that despite Homelander being indexed as stronger, that James Gunn Superman looks far more impressive and stronger because of his actual feats. They had every opportunity in Season 5 to do something scorched earth and escalate the tension and scale. But we got a decent White House fight against two Supes whom Homelander should easily be able to beat. Mind you, Ryan could barely even move Butcher. There is absolutely no way at this point that he should be doing anything to Homelander. Don't even get me started about Butcher hurting Homelander, there is no reason Butcher, who isn't even a strength type supe, should be doing anything to Homelander, only this at best;

Did they really have the budget for that? Not that it's impossible, but it seemed like this season had a ridiculously low budget judging by the quality of the effects in certain scenes, although it's strange considering that this is (to a certain extent, and with major caveats and definitely less popular) basically Amazon's Stranger Things. This really makes me question Amazon treatment of its current series.
 
Did they really have the budget for that? Not that it's impossible, but it seemed like this season had a ridiculously low budget judging by the quality of the effects in certain scenes, although it's strange considering that this is (to a certain extent, and with major caveats and definitely less popular) basically Amazon's Stranger Things. This really makes me question Amazon treatment of its current series.
12 million USD per season. To put into reference, that shit is double Stranger Things Season 1.
 
12 million USD per season. To put into reference, that shit is double Stranger Things Season 1.
Being twice as long as the first season of Stranger Things isn't exactly a good thing, since that season was much more practical, and the Demogorgon needed flashing lights to make the scenes more realistic. But it's still a frightening amount considering what we were given. I'm not saying the special effects in the series are bad, but I expected more.

Damn, we didn't even get Homelander in space, with quotes and that poster but nothing on screen.
 
What hurts is that they had the budget to do something more similar to James Gunn's Superman, not even Zack Snyder's. We have that Superman at around 8-B / 8-A and MHS, but the difference is that despite Homelander being indexed as stronger, that James Gunn Superman looks far more impressive and stronger because of his actual feats. They had every opportunity in Season 5 to do something scorched earth and escalate the tension and scale. But we got a decent White House fight against two Supes whom Homelander should easily be able to beat. Mind you, Ryan could barely even move Butcher. There is absolutely no way at this point that he should be doing anything to Homelander. Don't even get me started about Butcher hurting Homelander, there is no reason Butcher, who isn't even a strength type supe, should be doing anything to Homelander, only this at best;

the thing is, its not even a matter of budget either. Not when in the early 2001~2010 you had shit like this getting delivered in Smallville for throwaway scenes in like every other episode as just regular ass scenes.




Like legit this is purely a matter of poor direction in regards to scale, like dawg OG shows like Heroes had better visual feats than the shit The Boys does and those shows didn't near have the budget of today's stuff. Its a lack of creativity and direction
 
They definitely had the idea, I have no idea why they chose not to apply it. They started off the season so well too.
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It is definitely not a budget problem. It's simply that the directors didn't what that kind of scale.
legit that shit matters especially when it comes to visual media and powerscaling since the visuals and statements are what heavily dictate the scaling and if the visuals and feats you present on screen aren't telling me these dudes are supposed to be highly impressive and that's the consistent displays especially in climatic moments it just sets a precedent that supports them being much lower than one initially may have thought since that the standard set by the show
 
It's simply that the directors didn't what that kind of scale.
I also heavily detest this. They had Homelander call in all overseas Supes, basically an army, had him prepare an entire Anti-Christ speech PR nightmare, especially after he got the V1 and had Supes positioned everywhere. It did not have to be season wide, but at the very least the final season should have had much more than Ryan, Butcher and Kimiko vs Homelander, and Deep vs Annie.

Literally no other Supes were involved, the scale felt nonexistent. Do not get me wrong, the fight was hype, but the scale of it was miniature.
 
I have no idea why they chose not to apply it.
I saw someone say that the posters represent what both Butcher and Homelander wanted (Butcher with the brought down Vought tower; Homelander scorched earth), but neither of them got that, which I kind of like, but I still think it's a bummer.

So in the end, its worst of both: scorched room and Vought is still a thing, lmao.
 
12 million USD per season. To put into reference, that shit is double Stranger Things Season 1.
I mean Stranger Things season 1 was made 11 years ago when visual artist and actors costed alot less money while now doing simple things cost alot. Just look at Transformers movie quality it was crazy good for a budget far less then some mcu movies despite having great cgi and being made about 20 years ago.
 
It's not just about the fight. The world is just never explored neither are the consequences.

In Gen V season 2 we see that Supes treat humans like absolute shit. Homelander created a supe dominated America and you are telling me that this massive change is just addressed in a few lines ?

Billy Butcher wasn't a special case because he was (indirectly) a victim of violence. He was special because he was the only one who has the balls to go after them.

At the start we are told that incidents like A Train killing Robin happen all across the world and Vought sweeps it under the rug.

Season 5 acts like Homelander is only supe that needs to be stopped when 95% of Supes we have seen are evil, murderers or diddlers.

Season 5 feels like the world doesn't exist outside of the rooms the scenes were shot in.
 
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