Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

[GeneralSol16]

Also why it's 2-A?

Because Legerdomain encompasses the whole timelines, which is 2-A.

And later on, she got one shoted easily in her Anodyte form by Charmcaster using only the alpha rune

She didn't even attack her, she just absorbed her energy.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Because Legerdomain encompasses the whole timelines, which is 2-A.

I think the verse do indeed really need that cosmology rework, as those dimensions and rex world are obivously supposed to refer to the alt worlds in the Cross-Time lol

She didn't even attack her, she just absorbed her energy

That's prove my point.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Wasn't the whole point of Alpha rune being ultimate authority over magic itself, non of the mentioned should scales to it. Also why it's 2-A?

Yes, it's stated to be the "source of ultimate power," and it grants "power over magic," but it was also stated that Hex, within his library (where all of his spells are), was equal to Addwaitya before Charmcaster came and defeated him. Charmcaster, empowered by Ledgerdomain, was able to hurt Addwaitya, so they scale to it. They were even shown to be more powerful than Ultimate Humungousaur in Ledgerdomain. For example, Darkstar, who was empowered by Charmcaster's mana, was able to overpower Ultimate Humungousaur easily.

And later on, she got one shoted easily in her Anodyte form by Charmcaster using only the alpha rune

She doesn’t? Charmcaster absorbed her mana, lol. Absorption doesn’t necessarily mean someone is more powerful. Charmcaster was able to absorb Gwen’s mana before, yet Gwen was still stated to be superior to Charmcaster.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think the verse do indeed really need that cosmology rework, as those dimensions and rex world are obivously supposed to refer to the alt worlds in the Cross-Time lol

No, dimensions and timelines aren't the same, Paradox literally explained this

That's prove my point.

It don't. Absorption doesn't mean more powerful

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Yes it's stated to be "source of Ultimate Power" and it grants "power over magic", but it stated that Hex within his library (where all of his spells) equal to Addwaitya before Charmcaster comes and defeats him, and Charmcaster (powered by Legerdomain), was able to hurt Addwaitya, so they scales to it. They even shown to be more powerful than Ultimate Humungousaur in Legerdomain, like Darkstar which powered by Charmcaster's mana, was able to overpowered Ultimate Humungousaur easily

Where it stated Hex equal Addwitya? He chickend to go fight him

Them hurting Addwaitya doesn't means they scale to Alpha rune, this argument got countered next match against Charmcaster with the rune.
It was never shown if he's actually stronger than Ulti.Humungousaur or not. Aggregor cut the fight

She don't? Charmcaster absorb her mana lol. Absorption doesn't mean really it's more powerful. Charmcaster was able to absorb Gwen's mana before, and Gwen still was stated to be superior to Charmcaster.

The point is Alpha rune> Anodyt Gwen, she supposed to be mana manipulator and powered by Legerdomain yet couldn't even resist or put fight when Charmcaster just started using the rune to suck all the mana from her.

No, dimensions and timelines aren't the same, Paradox literally explained this

When he explained that? Ben 23 wolrd is also called dimension btw

It don't. Absorption doesn't mean more powerful

In this context it does

 

[GeneralSol16]

I think the verse do indeed really need that cosmology rework, as those dimensions and rex world are obivously supposed to refer to the alt worlds in the Cross-Time lol

Don't want to be rude, but the fact you believe that proves how little you know about the Verse.

That's prove my point.

Literally doesn't

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Where it stated Hex equal Addwitya? He chickend to go fight him

Charmcaster literally says that Hex, within his library, is equal to Addwaitya. In UA? Because Hex promised that he would not return to Ledgerdomain, and Hex’s library isn’t in Ledgerdomain.

Them hurting Addwaitya doesn't means they scale to Alpha rune, this argument got countered next match against Charmcaster with the rune.

It literally means she scales. Where? When he sealed them in crystal? That doesn’t mean they don’t scale, it's absolutely means they don't have enough Lifting Strength to destroy it.

It was never shown if he's actually stronger than Ulti.Humungousaur or not. Aggregor cut the fight

It was literally shown that he was unaffected by Ultimate Humungousaur’s missiles and even overpowered him. Aggregor wasn’t even there.

The point is Alpha rune> Anodyt Gwen, she supposed to be mana manipulator and powered by Legerdomain yet couldn't even resist or put fight when Charmcaster just started using the rune to suck all the mana from her.

The Alpha Rune is still stronger than any user (except Hex within his library), but mana users in special areas like Ledgerdomain or Hex's library are shown to scale to it. Again, absorption doesn’t mean someone is stronger. Charmcaster was able to absorb Gwen’s mana in Alien Force, yet Charmcaster still stated that Gwen was stronger than her.

When he explained that? Ben 23 wolrd is also called dimension btw

Ben's 23 dimension is reachable through "dimension" travel and is reinforced to be a dimension showing it's not an alternate timeline.

It's quite common in fiction to use terms like Dimensions loosely but they makes sense if there is context, alternate timeline can still be referred to as dimensions with context as even Maltruant called Ben 23 an alternate dimensional timeline counterpart twice.

In this context it does

As i say above

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Charmcaster literally says that Hex, within his library, is equal to Addwaitya. In UA? Because Hex promised that he would not return to Ledgerdomain, and Hex’s library isn’t in Ledgerdomain.

He didn't want to return cuz it's too dangerous for him, even with the assist of Gwen and the others he called it a suicide mission.

As for dimensions part. What does that supposed to prove? beside of what I told. It also worth mentioning Paradox called OS Ben10K world an alt dimension within the Crosstime

It literally means she scales. Where? When he sealed them in crystal? That doesn’t mean they don’t scale, it's absolutely means they don't have enough Lifting Strength to destroy it.

Alpha rune wasn't with Addwitya, remember. It's also unknown how exactly did Charmcaster beat him, with or without the using the rune against him

It was literally shown that he was unaffected by Ultimate Humungousaur’s missiles and even overpowered him. Aggregor wasn’t even there.

You sure you watched the same Ben UA?

The Alpha Rune is still stronger than any user (except Hex within his library), but mana users in special areas like Ledgerdomain or Hex's library are shown to scale to it.

As mentioned above He chickend to go fight against Addwitya (Make sense becuz he belived Addwaitya still had the Alpha rune) even with the assist of team Tennyson he still called it a suicide mission

Again, absorption doesn’t mean someone is stronger. Charmcaster was able to absorb Gwen’s mana in Alien Force, yet Charmcaster still stated that Gwen was stronger than her.

Gwen=Anodyt

Anodites, a race of "energy beings", are entirely comprised of mana and thus have a strong innate capacity for manipulating it and have more abilities than any other user of mana and most of their abilities don't need spells:
-Anodites physiology

Anodyt= Mana manipulator.
Legerdomin= place filled with Mana
Alpha rune = Ultimate authority of Mana and Legerdomin
Alpha rune absorbed Anodyt Gwen Mana in Legerdomin with ease despite she being Mana manipulator.
Alpha rune> Anodyt Gwen+additional Mana from Legerdomin

Don't want to be rude, but the fact you believe that proves how little you know about the Verse.

Wanna put it to the test?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

He didn't want to return cuz it's too dangerous for him, even with the assist of Gwen and the others he called it a suicide mission.

Yes he called it because he promised his brother to not return to this place again. Also this has nothing with his library

As for dimensions part. What does that supposed to prove? beside of what I told. It also worth mentioning Paradox called OS Ben10K world an alt dimension within the Crosstime

So? Paradox called it alternate dimension has nothing to prove Rex's Dimension is an timeline, because later it stated that Ben 23 dimension stated to be dimensional timeline

Alpha rune wasn't with Addwitya, remember. It's also unknown how exactly did Charmcaster beat him, with or without the using the rune against him

It was lol. She literally says, “before I come”. What? I didn’t mention this. Bro, you literally just proved GeneralSol’s point.

You sure you watched the same Ben UA?

Yes. Also I want ask if you really watch really watch Ben 10, because we literally see Darkstar overpowered Ultimate Humungousaur

As mentioned above He chickend yo go fight against Addwitya (Make sense becuz he belived Addwaitya still had the Alpha rune)

1. Because he promised his brother
2. Hex's library aren't in Legerdomain

even with the assist of team tennyson he still Called it A suicide mission

Because he never see Gwen's powers when it's powered by Legerdomain in UA, lol?

Gwen=Anodyt

So? What it means?

Anodyt= Mana manipulator.
Legerdomin= place filled with Mana
Alpha rune = Ultimate authority of Mana and Legerdomin
Alpha rune absorbed Anodyt Gwen Mana in Legerdomin with ease despite she being Mana manipulotr.
Alpha rune> Anodyt Gwen± additional Mana from Legerdomin

Absorption has nothing to do with scaling again. Because:

1. Charmcaster just absorb Gwen's Anodite form (her soul)
2. We literally see many characters was able to absorb other Top Tier, and still they considered as weaker than Top Tier, like:
   • Charmcaster absorb Gwen's mana in AF, and still Charmcaster says Gwen is more powerful than her
   • Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon's attack, same attack which stated to be would kill Sir George

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Yes he called it because he promised his brother to not return to this place again.

Have you considered the reason, Why his brother didn't want him to return?

Also this has nothing with his library

"Take my books , Take whatever you want just leave me be" Hex to Gwen

So? Paradox called it alternate dimension has nothing to prove Rex's Dimension is an timeline, because later it stated that Ben 23 dimension stated to be dimensional timeline

You missed the point of the argument, its to prove the Paradox never made distinction between word dimension and Timeline as you claimed, also ironically there's enough evidence imply opposite than what ever the wiki put:



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It was lol. She literally says, “before I come”. What? I didn’t mention this. Bro, you literally just proved GeneralSol’s point.

I rewatched multiple episodes on different occasions never heared any single line implying what you told, care to source?

Yes. Also I want ask if you really watch really watch Ben 10, because we literally see Darkstar overpowered Ultimate Humungousaur

Have you watched the part where Aggregor interupts Ulti Hu and Addwitya fight some says its peak

It was literally shown that he was unaffected by Ultimate Humungousaur’s missiles and even overpowered him. Aggregor wasn’t even there.

1. Because he promised his brother
2. Hex's library aren't in Legerdomain

Because he never see Gwen's powers when it's powered by Legerdomain in UA, lol?

Charmcaster with Alpha rune said otherwise

So? What it means?

Unless you want me to admit that Addwitya with Alpha rune> Ult.Humungsaur which I'm already convinced with, other than that anything else I disagreed

Absorption has nothing to do with scaling again. Because:

We literaly had multiple characters in the verse 2-A via absorption what do you mean?

1. Charmcaster just absorb Gwen's Anodite form (her soul)
2. We literally see many characters was able to absorb other Top Tier, and still they considered as weaker than Top Tier, like:

life force or soul*

1. • Charmcaster absorb Gwen's mana in AF, and still Charmcaster says Gwen is more powerful than her

That time was trap set by Charmcaster

1. • Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon's attack, same attack which stated to be would kill Sir George

He never stated that the time Chromastone absorbed the blast

 

[GeneralSol16]

Wanna put it to the test?

Sure.
Even with the terminology inconsistencies that are already addressed in the blog, every statements can be easily understood by the context of each scene.

Every dimension that related to Rex's and the Null Vois didn't have an Omnitrix, just Ben Prime, proving that these dimensions aren't connecte tes to the Timestream, as in every timeline except one there is an Omnitrix,.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Have you considered the reason, Why his brother didn't want him to return?

Because Hex was this time was weaker then Current Hex? Lol

"Take my books , Take whatever you want just leave me be" Hex to Gwen

So? Taking books doesn’t change my point, and also this is Omniverse Hex, not UA.

Also, this statement comes from Charmcaster, who literally knows about the Alpha Rune’s powers.

And Gwen literally needs his book to travel to Legerdomain, not to fight.

You missed the point of the argument, its to prove the Paradox never made distinction between word dimension and Timeline as you claimed, also ironically there's enough evidence imply opposite than what ever the wiki put:

He literally did

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Can you specify the video because it literally big

I rewatched multiple episodes on different occasions never heared any single line implying what you told, care to source?

Here

Have you watched the part where Aggregor interupts Ulti Hu and Addwitya fight some says its peak

Yes, i watch it, but point is that Darkstar which powered by Charmcaster, was much stronger than Ultimate Humungousaur

Charmcaster with Alpha rune said otherwise

Where?

Unless you want me to admit that Addwitya with Alpha rune> Ult.Humungsaur which I'm already convinced with, other than that anything else I disagreed

We already have Addwaitya with the Alpha Rune >> Ultimate Humungousaur, since Addwaitya was never shown to take any damage from Ultimate Humungousaur’s missiles, as well as Darkstar, who was empowered by Charmcaster, was able to overpower Ultimate Humungousaur.

We literaly had multiple characters in the verse 2-A via absorption what do you mean?

Yes, absorption can be used as an amp in tier, but your argument is that Gwen doesn’t scale to Charmcaster with the Alpha Rune because Charmcaster, using the Alpha Rune, was able to absorb Gwen’s Anodite energy.

life force or soul*

It's same btw

That time was trap set by Charmcaster

So? Still she absorb her mana. Even Darkstar, who is shown to be weaker than Gwen and whom Gwen considers a threat, was able to absorb her mana many times.

He never stated that the time Chromastone absorbed the blast

Yeah, it was never said, my bad. But in the same case, Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon’s blast, which made Dagon writhe in pain, something Sir George can’t do alone. So then, Chromastone > Sir George?

 

[DemonicDude]

Charmcaster literally says that Hex

who is this Charmcaster?

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Every dimension that related to Rex's and the Null Vois didn't have an Omnitrix, just Ben Prime, proving that these dimensions aren't connecte tes to the Timestream, as in every timeline except one there is an Omnitrix,.

...You know if we can prove that Rex's world is an alt timeline to Ben's, then we can already argue that aliens, Azmuth, and the Omnitrix already exist there. unless stated otherwise

Because Hex was this time was weaker then Current Hex? Lol

Hex still didn't want to go, and called it a suicide

So? Taking books doesn’t change my point, and also this is Omniverse Hex, not UA.

Where's implications that Hex got stronger in Omniverse?

Also, this statement comes from Charmcaster, who literally knows about the Alpha Rune’s powers.

Are you sure she meant before Addwitya lost the Alpha rune, and not before she beat him and turn him to statuette? Becuz Addwaitya with the rune stated to be the most powerful magician ever

And Gwen literally needs his book to travel to Legerdomain, not to fight.

That doesnt change thing

He literally did

Rather affirmed the opposite literally

Can you specify the video because it literally big

The Youtube: There exist a Bellwood in Rex's earth with Ben able to recognize and find it, and even locate the supposed location of alt Mr Smoothie. Which fit with the MWI definition of alt world , Same physical space but different quantum State/event

In Google drive: A Brazilian fan asked in 3:50 if Nanites exists or already in Ben 10 Omniverse, with Duncan respond yes, there are an ancient organizations (reffer to The Consortium)

Yes, i watch it, but point is that Darkstar which powered by Charmcaster, was much stronger than Ultimate Humungousaur

Where?
Charmcaster, was able to overpower Ultimate Humungousaur.

Told you, I'm already fine with this take

Yes, absorption can be used as an amp in tier, but your argument is that Gwen doesn’t scale to Charmcaster with the Alpha Rune because Charmcaster, using the Alpha Rune, was able to absorb Gwen’s Anodite energy.

Becuz she literally doesn't, where she even does? Didn't even land single blow or scratch on Charmcaster.
Her Ap is 4-A via absorption. and got no diffed in her Anodite form, when Charmcaster started using the rune

Also i know absorption doesn’t always means tier and sometime hax, but in this exact context it does, since both the rune and Gwen are a Mana manipulator. It's like saying "if a blackhole ripped other blackhole apart it doesn't count as a feat"

It's same btw

I know

So? Still she absorb her mana. Even Darkstar, who is shown to be weaker than Gwen and whom Gwen considers a threat, was able to absorb her mana many times.

It was only one time becuz she was Charmed and tricked by Darkstar

Yeah, it was never said, my bad. But in the same case, Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon’s blast, which made Dagon writhe in pain,

Lmaoooo. Chromastone is literally the worst example you can give. His main power is absorption and
He died when he tried to absorb the mana from the machine, while Dagon drained all the Souls in legerdomin without any trouble

something Sir George can’t do alone. So then, Chromastone > Sir George?

So we gonna forget the time when Azmuth made Ben and the others watch a video of George commiting gore on Dagon

 

[GeneralSol16]

You know if we can prove that Rex's world is an alt timeline to Ben's, then we can already argue that aliens, Azmuth, and the Omnitrix already exist there. unless stated otherwise

It was literally states that there is no other Omnitrix signal aside from Ben Prime's, and really? Using WoG? You're not helping yourself not

 

[Ommf_Deity]

It was literally states that there is no other Omnitrix signal aside from Ben Prime's, and really? Using WoG? You're not helping yourself not

Lmao. if you mean the Hero times 2 comic, then it's debunked, and no such statement was made
Wog is ok if didn't contradict material, backed, and not used to scale up/wank.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Lmao. if you mean the Hero times 2 comic, then it's debunked

By who or what, exactly? Those comics are canon, even working as prequels of the show itself or sequels

and no such statement was made
Wog is ok if didn't contradict material, backed, and not used to scale up/wank.

WoG is not accepted in Ben 10 at all, both by the wiki and by the creators themselves.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

By who or what, exactly? Those comics are canon, even working as prequels of the show itself or sequels

Never said they are not

WoG is not accepted in Ben 10 at all, both by the wiki and by the creators themselves.

We literally using the Wog in Ben 10 verse page on wiki

 

[GeneralSol16]

Never said they are not

We literally using the Wog in Ben 10 verse page on wiki

We removed them all

 

[Ommf_Deity]

We removed them all

It still exist (Check Ben10 Hero times 2's canonicty Dissuction thread)

 

[Lort15]

Wog isn't completely banned from the verse, we still have authority to use some of them

 

[GeneralSol16]

We de

Wog isn't completely banned from the verse, we still have authority to use some of them

cided to not use any of it t lol.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Wog isn't completely banned from the verse, we still have authority to use some of them

We decided to not use any of it, at all.

It still exist (Check Ben10 Hero times 2's canonicty Dissuction thread)

Send the link
And even then, a random interview doesn't mean shit in this context, so try harder.

 

[Lort15]

We decided to not use any of it, at all.

it's fine, i'm just telling it isn't completly banned

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Send the link

Ben 10- Canonicity of comic "Hero two times" Discussion thread

so i want to know if the comic Hero two times can be considered canon. My Reasoning for it to be considered canon Ben and Rex that appeared in this comic are literally same Ben and Rex who appeared in Generator Rex hero's United episode which is canon. Evidence: It is written by Eugene...

vsbattles.com

And even then, a random interview doesn't mean shit in this context, so try harder.

It does

 

[GeneralSol16]

Ben 10- Canonicity of comic "Hero two times" Discussion thread

so i want to know if the comic Hero two times can be considered canon. My Reasoning for it to be considered canon Ben and Rex that appeared in this comic are literally same Ben and Rex who appeared in Generator Rex hero's United episode which is canon. Evidence: It is written by Eugene...

vsbattles.com

That shit is over 4 yeara old.

It does

No, it doesn't, not supported and actually contradicted by the official media.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

That shit is over 4 yeara old.

The Ben 10 Cosmology page uses this thread

No, it doesn't, not supported and actually contradicted by the official media.

Yes it is. supported, and nothin actually contradict it

 

[GeneralSol16]

The Ben 10 Cosmology page uses this thread

We don't use any WoG in the blog itself

Yes it is. supported, and nothin actually contradict it

HT2 already disproves that being like that, and so does OV.
So just quit it and make actual arguments.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

We don't use any WoG in the blog itself

Check HT2 in Comics section in the blog

HT2 already disproves that being like that, and so does OV.
So just quit it and make actual arguments.

HT2 never disproved this, unless you meant the Pack tracking Ben’s dimension because of the Omnitrix argument. They didn’t track the Omnitrix because only one exists; they tracked it because Ben was already in Japan near the Promethium they were after.
And I don't think OV disapproved this either

 

[Reiner04]

We decided to not use any of it, at all.

WOGs are fine for canonicity stuff, since thats primarily is decided by Authors or officials themselves and they have authority over it. However for scaling purpose or any other stuff, we decided to not use it.

 

[Lort15]

WOGs are fine for canonicity stuff, since thats primarily is decided by Authors or officials themselves and they have authority over it. However for scaling purpose or any other stuff, we decided to not use it.

Add bde type 3 to goat

 

[Ommf_Deity]

WOGs are fine for canonicity stuff, since thats primarily is decided by Authors or officials themselves and they have authority over it. However for scaling purpose or any other stuff, we decided to not use it.

I think WOG can be used in scaling, as long it doesn't add anything new to the scaling itself

 

[KaramcaS]

Ben 10 MFTL+ Anti Feats

Grandpa Max who is MFTL+ stated that Malware does not have FTL capabilities Update: Lord @Zamasu_Chan found a bunch of anti feats but this was seemingly never discussed in future speed CRT's Despite being able to traverse and patrol the globe, Ben 10k doesn’t have time to hang out for himself...

vsbattles.com

What happend to this

 

[Reiner04]

Ben 10 MFTL+ Anti Feats

Grandpa Max who is MFTL+ stated that Malware does not have FTL capabilities Update: Lord @Zamasu_Chan found a bunch of anti feats but this was seemingly never discussed in future speed CRT's Despite being able to traverse and patrol the globe, Ben 10k doesn’t have time to hang out for himself...

vsbattles.com

What happend to this

Been worked on.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Check HT2 in Comics section in the blog

HT2 never disproved this, unless you meant the Pack tracking Ben’s dimension because of the Omnitrix argument. They didn’t track the Omnitrix because only one exists; they tracked it because Ben was already in Japan near the Promethium they were after.
And I don't think OV disapproved this either

They tracked the Omnitrix and and that lead them to Ben, proving that there's only one in that number of millions of dimensions, which supports that not being the Crosstime.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

They tracked the Omnitrix and and that lead them to Ben, proving that there's only one in that number of millions of dimensions, which supports that not being the Crosstime.

They used the Omnitrix to get the Promethium in Japan because Ben was there, not because it’s the only Omnitrix. The ‘one Omnitrix in all dimensions’ thing was just a vague guess from Rex, not a confirmed statement.He even questioned it afterward — "why would they need to go to Japan?”

 

[Ghengiroo115]

What’s people’s thoughts on OV characters scaling to Anodite Gwen? Yay or nay? Right now on the wiki her AP justification is basically just “stronger than Ultimate Humungousaur level characters”, and her stats value is the same as Way Big’s being around 4x above them so she’s no more than 40x UA characters based on her feats and statements there. A 40x gap feels a little steep, but considering Ben jumped 10x through 4 years of nothing + a few months of fighting the Highbreed it might be OK. It should be noted that Anodite Gwen is portrayed as stronger in earlier seasons of OV than later ones, and that show has 80 episodes + a one month timeskip at the end of season 3 so it makes some sense. Not only that, but given the time gap between AF and UA you could argue that the 40x amp also accounts for the unknown power boost between them.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Btw something I noticed: the base characters scale to 1.04226 TeraFoe while Ultimate Aggregor scales to 9.475086 TeraFoe, but Greg’s durability is explicitly 6-7x the level of these characters (depending on whether you treat P’andor’s suit as a separate thing or not) which should make their stats 1.57918 TeraFoe or 1.35358 TeraFoe.

Edit: realised the problem. The 1.04… rating comes from scaling initial Ultimate Kevin to Ultimate Greg and then adding 1/10th of Ultimate Greg’s power to him. Ultimate Humungousaur is then scaled to Kevin, and base cast are made to be 1/10th Ultimate Hugh. The problem is that Kevin is not comparable to Greg, he completely stomped him. The 1.57… or 1.35… ratings make more sense when considering Kevin’s power.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Another thing I think I mentioned before (I’m having one of those moments where a bunch of thoughts get into my head at once, apologies):

When Malware reached his second form, he did it by absorbing an amount of energy that was meant to kill him, meaning the energy he absorbed should be at least comparable to his first form’s strength. By this logic second form Malware would be twice as strong as his first form. Couldn’t we use this to give higher tier aliens like Diamondhead and Four Arms a 2x amp compared to lower tier aliens like Heatblast? While first form Malware somewhat fights against Four Arms, he was overpowered easily before he used a surprise eye beam attack that was stronger than his physical strength.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Another thing I think I mentioned before (I’m having one of those moments where a bunch of thoughts get into my head at once, apologies):

They scale to Gwen's lucky girl form, also Gwen can one-shot all ultimates only if she tapped into her Anodite form's full power/potential, which would cost her physical form/humanity

As for the Malware's 2nd form, we can't tell if the Helix's energy was gonna kill his 1st form since that's only Albedo's saying(still had energy to destroy galvan B). But it's unlikely since 10 yrs 4Arms can keep up with both forms.