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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Ah so it begins. Brings a tear to my eye. Also why is there a random cyborg bear in the forest just chillin.

If we count changes from the original -

1. Vilgax isn't on life support (yet). He is also very far away and seems to be sending some one in. Six Six ? Tetrax maybe ?

2. Military involvement. It seems the government is aware and prepared for alien cases.

3. Gwen is a alien conspiracy theorist. While their personalities are the same, it seems Ben has trouble back at home and his parents are a sensitive topic.

4. Grandpa Max isn't eating weird gross stuff, (yet). But I hope they keep that gag.
 
Heatblast from classic Ben 10 has reached quarter finals of tournament.
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Part of me’s wondering if the Alpha Rune is actually fully 2-A, or if it’s just 2-A through magic/mana manipulation. The power within the Alpha Rune is just mana, right? It wouldn’t make sense for a finite amount of mana to give you the power to control all mana in the universe. Unless I’m missing something, part of me wonders if Alpha Rune users get a boost to their physical stats up to a certain level, and then have the extra ability to manipulate all mana.

I could be completely wrong, though. This is just a thought that came up in my head. Honestly part of the reason I feel this way is due the potential relativity between Dagon arc characters and future characters:
  • Dagon is heavily implied to be superior to Alpha Rune users, thanks to both his status as the “old one” in that episode but also the episode titles referring to him as the “ultimate enemy”.
  • Excalibur is stated by the Forever Knights to be an invincible sword even with the knowledge of Ascalon. Excalibur through scaling alone places it immensely above Way Big level characters thanks to scaling relatively with Atomic-X, so it being relative to Ascalon isn’t that unrealistic considering its scaling. On top of that, I feel it’s reasonable to assume adding Celestialsapien DNA should be at least as potent as the Evolution feature, so Atomic-X being on the same level as Ultimate Way Big makes logical sense even if there’s no hard evidence for that (not to mention how base Atomix 10K would already be stronger than base UA Way Big).
Idk if there’s anything else to support this line of thinking, but the implications are already there. If Dagon is stronger than the Alpha Rune and Gwen 10K scaled relatively with Dagon (since she downscales from Excalibur), then it would make little sense for the Alpha Rune to upscale above all mana in terms of raw power. If you just attribute the Alpha Rune’s 2-A stuff as just magic/mana manipulation, then Dagon being treated as overall superior makes sense as the Alpha Rune’s 2-A stuff wouldn’t be that notable outside of places with a ton of mana.

Sorry for the rambling, maybe I’m completely off the mark here but i just wanted to get my thoughts out there.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Part of me’s wondering if the Alpha Rune is actually fully 2-A, or if it’s just 2-A through magic/mana manipulation. The power within the Alpha Rune is just mana, right? It wouldn’t make sense for a finite amount of mana to give you the power to control all mana in the universe. Unless I’m missing something, part of me wonders if Alpha Rune users get a boost to their physical stats up to a certain level, and then have the extra ability to manipulate all mana.

I could be completely wrong, though. This is just a thought that came up in my head. Honestly part of the reason I feel this way is due the potential relativity between Dagon arc characters and future characters:
  • Dagon is heavily implied to be superior to Alpha Rune users, thanks to both his status as the “old one” in that episode but also the episode titles referring to him as the “ultimate enemy”.
  • Excalibur is stated by the Forever Knights to be an invincible sword even with the knowledge of Ascalon. Excalibur through scaling alone places it immensely above Way Big level characters thanks to scaling relatively with Atomic-X, so it being relative to Ascalon isn’t that unrealistic considering its scaling. On top of that, I feel it’s reasonable to assume adding Celestialsapien DNA should be at least as potent as the Evolution feature, so Atomic-X being on the same level as Ultimate Way Big makes logical sense even if there’s no hard evidence for that (not to mention how base Atomix 10K would already be stronger than base UA Way Big).
Idk if there’s anything else to support this line of thinking, but the implications are already there. If Dagon is stronger than the Alpha Rune and Gwen 10K scaled relatively with Dagon (since she downscales from Excalibur), then it would make little sense for the Alpha Rune to upscale above all mana in terms of raw power. If you just attribute the Alpha Rune’s 2-A stuff as just magic/mana manipulation, then Dagon being treated as overall superior makes sense as the Alpha Rune’s 2-A stuff wouldn’t be that notable outside of places with a ton of mana.

Sorry for the rambling, maybe I’m completely off the mark here but i just wanted to get my thoughts out there.
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I don't agree with this, Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon's blast, and can't absorb mana from Charmcaster's machine, which is powered by Alpha Rune
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
I don't agree with this, Chromastone was able to absorb Dagon's blast, and can't absorb mana from Charmcaster's machine, which is powered by Alpha Rune
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Dagon was holding back, and the Sorcerer’s Engine isn’t powered by the Alpha Rune. The mana that killed Chromastone was the souls Charmcaster had collected.

EDIT: Addwaitya was also physically hurt by Charmcaster, Gwen and Ultimate Humungousaur. The former two were obviously amped by being in Legerdomain, but that’s from them being surrounded by mana which based on the Alpha Rune’s current tiering makes no sense. If the Alpha Rune has absolute power over all of Legerdomain, and the users of it supposedly physically scale to this, why can a relatively insignificant amount of mana explicitly harm Addwaitya? He even has to create forcefields to avoid taking damage from them.
 
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Reiner04 said:
There is smth funny about this version of Vilgax design. I won't say it but you know it.
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Blud. I actually thought the same but didn't care much when i was a kid and it doesn't make a big impact now, since it didn't bother me back then
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Dagon was holding back, and the Sorcerer’s Engine isn’t powered by the Alpha Rune.
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Dagon says he would end Sir George with this attack. It was literally powered by Alpha Rune when Charmcaster use one of her spell.
Ghengiroo115 said:
The mana that killed Chromastone was the souls Charmcaster had collected.
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If these souls/mana was overpower Chromastone then Chromastone can't be equal to Alpha Rune
Ghengiroo115 said:
EDIT: Addwaitya was also physically hurt by Charmcaster, Gwen and Ultimate Humungousaur.
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Gwen and Charmcaster was powered by Legerdomain. Addwaitya was literally unaffected by Ultimate Humungousaur
Ghengiroo115 said:
The former two were obviously amped by being in Legerdomain, but that’s from them being surrounded by mana which based on the Alpha Rune’s current tiering makes no sense. If the Alpha Rune has absolute power over all of Legerdomain, and the users of it supposedly physically scale to this, why can a relatively insignificant amount of mana explicitly harm Addwaitya?
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Why doesn’t it make sense? Mana has UES on their page, and Mana users’ powers depend on where they are. So why is this energy still considered a “relatively insignificant amount of mana”?
Ghengiroo115 said:
He even has to create forcefields to avoid taking damage from them.
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He only do it with Gwen or Charmcaster
Ommf_Deity said:
Quetsion, since Alpha rune was given type 1 CM isn't it supposed to be tier 1-B now?
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Why?
 
Ommf_Deity said:
Becuz mana/magic permeates through out the verse, and Alpha rune has superiority over it.
Like any other type 1 CM
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No, mana only permeates the universe not the entire verse, also cosmology is in rework for now.

Edit: Not all CM1 are permeates the entire their verse
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
It was literally powered by Alpha Rune when Charmcaster use one of her spell.
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I’m not sure where you’re getting that. I rewatched the episode before I sent my last reply and didn’t see anything like that.

Ultimate-Rex1 said:
If these souls/mana was overpower Chromastone then Chromastone can't be equal to Alpha Rune
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I’m not saying that Chromastone (or more accurately Dagon) is beyond everything the Alpha Rune can do, just its base strength. I don’t think its ability to have power over all mana is based on its base strength, similar to how all magic users can use spells way beyond their normal strength.

It’s hard to elaborate right now as I’m very emotionally and mentally drained from real life stuff.

Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Addwaitya was literally unaffected by Ultimate Humungousaur
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He shows visible fear on his face when Ultimate Humungousaur breaks out of the crystal, and roars in frustration after getting hit by his missiles.

Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Gwen and Charmcaster was powered by Legerdomain.
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Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Why doesn’t it make sense? Mana has UES on their page, and Mana users’ powers depend on where they are. So why is this energy still considered a “relatively insignificant amount of mana”?
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If Addwaitya physically scaled above all mana in the universe, then Charmcaster and Gwen would be unable to hurt him. Them being in Legerdomain might amp them, but they’re still using an extremely small amount of mana to attack when compared to all the mana that exists in the universe. They shouldn’t be able to make Addwaitya wince in pain or verbally acknowledge the fact that Charmcaster can hurt him.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
I’m not sure where you’re getting that. I rewatched the episode before I sent my last reply and didn’t see anything like that.
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When Charmcaster was use her spell with Alpha Rune
Ghengiroo115 said:
I’m not saying that Chromastone (or more accurately Dagon) is beyond everything the Alpha Rune can do, just its base strength. I don’t think its ability to have power over all mana is based on its base strength, similar to how all magic users can use spells way beyond their normal strength.
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It stated to be "Source of Ultimate Power" by Charmcaster, which she even knows about Dagon, as well as, Dagon's powers is based mana, and Charmcaster still think that Alpha Rune is Ultimate Power
Ghengiroo115 said:
It’s hard to elaborate right now as I’m very emotionally and mentally drained from real life stuff.
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Ok,
Ghengiroo115 said:
He shows visible fear on his face when Ultimate Humungousaur breaks out of the crystal, and roars in frustration after getting hit by his missiles.
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Then he literally says, “Come over here and find out,” and no trace of fatigue appeared. So it's PIS.
Ghengiroo115 said:
If Addwaitya physically scaled above all mana in the universe, then Charmcaster and Gwen would be unable to hurt him. Them being in Legerdomain might amp them, but they’re still using an extremely small amount of mana to attack when compared to all the mana that exists in the universe. They shouldn’t be able to make Addwaitya wince in pain or verbally acknowledge the fact that Charmcaster can hurt him.
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He scales above all of them, but mana users in Legerdomain can still scale to him, since they are powered by Legerdomain, where all the mana in the universe flows. Where did you get “they’re still using an extremely small amount of mana compared to all the mana that exists in the universe”? Gwen was literally impressed by her power when she was able to stop Addwaitya from killing them.
 
Shouldn't Dagon upscale from every enemy and menace up to that moment? He's heavily implied to be more powerful and dangerous than Aggregor with the Map of Infinity and UA Eon, as Paradox textually warmed Ben about him and George, and that if Dagon succeeded in returning to our Dimension, we'd be doomed
 
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I found funny that the wiki of Ben 10 considers every alien weak to electricity...but that won't be a weakness
 
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
He scales above all of them, but mana users in Legerdomain can still scale to him, since they are powered by Legerdomain, where all the mana in the universe flows. Where did you get “they’re still using an extremely small amount of mana compared to all the mana that exists in the universe”?
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Wasn't the whole point of Alpha rune being ultimate authority over magic itself, non of the mentioned should scales to it. Also why it's 2-A?
Ultimate-Rex1 said:
Gwen was literally impressed by her power when she was able to stop Addwaitya from killing them.
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And later on, she got one shoted easily in her Anodyte form by Charmcaster using only the alpha rune
 
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