The Boys discussion thread

[Antvasima]

yeah lets just agree to disagree. I respect that

Yup. No problem.

 

[Ethnikistis]

why are we even still talking about this? the one dude is just sitting there “yeah the finale was written like ass, it was anticlimactic, so much left on the table, but atleast the big mean poopiehead died because hes like trump and trump should die too, therefore good finale because thats all that matters”

like, again, kids cheering when a power rangers monster of the week dies type sh***, no wonder antony starr is already tryna distance himself from the whole thing, the art of scriptwriting is dead as hell

just talk about the scaling of this fraud verse, this is a forum about fake characters fighting eachother in fake scenarios, yall are gonna get nowhere talking about something thats clearly biased on all fronts. where we at with the overall speed scaling? they getting an upgrade or everyone to subsonic hell?

I think we should stop discussing this Finale.
Theres 2 sides in this thread that refuse to actually question their opinion.
One says that its shit writing and wanted homelander to cause mass destruction and blah blah blah.
The other says that it was enjoyable and had great themes.
So unless you all want to kill this thread with constant arguing about the Finale then we should leave this topic as neither side is subsiding.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yeah, we should switch from the politics. This forum is just to discuss the Boys. Whether it be the scaling, or how we liked the show itself. It’s already getting nasty just from it briefly pivoting to politics, jesus

 

[Antvasima]

Agreed.

 

[Omegas03]

soooo
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Anyone else agrees season 3 is the peaker season of the series? The ending may have been a bit lacklusting but I got the most enjoyment out of season 3 (2 and 1 were absolute peak too don't get me wrong).

 

[Ethnikistis]

So why does everyone disagree with Butcher scaling to the narcissist in the sky?

 

[Ethnikistis]

soooo
uuuuh

Anyone else agrees season 3 is the peaker season of the series? The ending may have been a bit lacklusting but I got the most enjoyment out of season 3 (2 and 1 were absolute peak too don't get me wrong).

Yh totally,but i might be biased since it was a great period of my life as well.But it does have the biggest fight I reckon (Although many people call it out for lazy writing).

 

[Omegas03]

Yh totally,but i might be biased since it was a great period of my life as well.But it does have the biggest fight I reckon (Although many people call it out for lazy writing).

I think there was a proper build up for that fight scene in particular. It didn't seem like bad writing to me

 

[Omegas03]

As a matter of fact, I always said Season 4 was too harshly criticized, but that may be just me.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Triggered? I'm laughing at this whole thing. You lie about quotes and post political misinformation on a powerscaling website.

That's not malicious trolling, that's called you being called out on your lies. Must be new, huh? Then again, so many people are quick to use whatever buzzword they think can make the opposition look as bad as possible. BTW, threatening stalking? All I said is that I'd love to discuss the politics with you on a more suitable platofrm. That's not stalking. It's me offering you a debate. If you're not confident it's okay. I didn't have any hopes for you actually standing your ground on a site that's more appropriate. Now, I will let you have your privacy since all of this clearly upset you a lot.

Bro you're literally a caricature of a certain type of people

 

[Ethnikistis]

I think there was a proper build up for that fight scene in particular. It didn't seem like bad writing to me

Neither to me.But Soldier Boys switchup makes you feel like the whole season was meaningless.Although now with the Finale it does tie in.(Except with soldier boy being kept frozen)

 

[Just_Butchering]

Anyone else agrees season 3 is the peaker season of the series? The ending may have been a bit lacklusting but I got the most enjoyment out of season 3 (2 and 1 were absolute peak too don't get me wrong).

So peak that I wondered how the story could go longer than these 3, maybe 4 season LOL

So why does everyone disagree with Butcher scaling to the narcissist in the sky?

Butcher doesn't have too many feats after his bond with Kessler, but the few he has don't support him scaling to Homelander.
But honestly, I'd love to (and also upgrade Kimiko)

 

[DaReaperMan]

I liked Homelander when he wasn't just "LOL Funni Pathetic Twump!"

I know the comics were on Bush, but come on, Homelander in the first three seasons dodged that problem like the matrix.

 

[Phirse]

and that those who allegedly liked the show in the beginning should complain much less about it

Come on man. This is starting to get annoying and I really like u since you've helped me out before but this just comes of as very disingenuous.


You can like a show at it's inception and complain about it's fall off lmao, that is perfectly normal. It's not like all the criticism of this show is coming from alt right echo chambers or the fact that Homelander was a Trump parody. It's almost like a lot of fans weren't happy with how the show ended. You can like the ending, that too is perfectly normal and I'm not here to tell you to hate it. But you also shouldn't be here to say what "fans" should think.

I could point how I thought the ending was rushed and written badly due to like ton loads of plot amour, this is just bad writing not a powerscaling thing. Or how half the plot was to flipping shoehorn the spin offs in the most atrocious way possible and etc. Or how, set design, cgi, action and more have fallen of a cliff compared to season 1 with the big bad finale of Homelander losing it looking like a watered down CW fight scene on 20 dollars. But i'm not a "real" fan right? and u the "true" fans should dictate who should complain. Like get of the glaze. U knpw it's not all about politics when left leaning sites like Reddit are clowning on the ending for good reason.

 

[Ethnikistis]

Butcher doesn't have too many feats after his bond with Kessler, but the few he has don't support him scaling to Homelander.
But honestly, I'd love to (and also upgrade Kimiko)

The only anti feat is losing to bomb sight.
Butcher was narratively set up to be a big deal since he sacrificed "a lot" when he gave in ti kessler,and immediately one shotted the threat that the whole season was building up to.
He even stepped up to fight homelander in the camp.
And the other "anti feat" is him avoiding the 1s against SB who is top 2.And that still doesn't constitute an anti feat anyway.

(He also beat the ball sack man who is outerversal)

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I believe my season 5 review says everything that needs to be said about how utterly and inexcusably terrible the ending was, and how it was, in a sense, a far worse offender than GOT

 

[Omegas03]

The only anti feat is losing to bomb sight.
Butcher was narratively set up to be a big deal since he sacrificed "a lot" when he gave in ti kessler,and immediately one shotted the threat that the whole season was building up to.
He even stepped up to fight homelander in the camp.
And the other "anti feat" is him avoiding the 1s against SB who is top 2.And that still doesn't constitute an anti feat anyway.

(He also beat the ball sack man who is outerversal)

Narratively set up to be the strongest yet almost folded to Kimiko, his tentacle weren't actually fast enough to save Hughie yet he could intercept a Homelander who was just able to fly into space and comeback in like a few seconds earlier in the same episode and overall had insane speed feats even without lasers, didn't even dare to fight Homelander or SB 1v1 and even ran away from him after he got V1 he was just overly relying on the virus and Bombsight legit slammed him which is not PIS, Bombsight was straight up Soldier Boy level. Same Soldier Boy who has repeatedly been established in Season 3 to be near-Homelander tier when he's not tired.

Butcher is consistently a 9-A to 8-C tier supe because the only time he actually does something against a god tier supe is in the finale.

Murdering Vic is NOT an argument, shes like Starlight level durability lol. From a narrative standpoint it actually made sense to have him mid high tier without actually comparing to the real deal top 3-5 supes

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

Powerscaling wise?
I think the V1 was water and the S5E6 ending was Homelander getting placebo.

If Butcher scales to Homelander from the final fight that's fair, but Homelander's and Butcher's scaling is obviously rather inconsistent throughout Season 5, let alone the whole series (Losing to bombsight who is equal to Soldier Boy, who is weaker than Homelander even without V1) - Ryan is also in the fight so there's that I guess.

A way to solve the inconsistency could easily just be Butcher only scaling in Dura, LS, AP and Combat Speed (like his Season 3 counterpart, iirc).
Seems like Homelander's travel speed is also far faster than his combat speed, for obvious reasons.

As for the ending?
The Butcher Hughie stuff needed far more space to breathe (and overall was shot kinda weirdly?). I'm happy with the ending the main characters got, Sage should've died though, she didn't deserve to live after conceptualising the literal death camps.
The ending felt like it had a ton of potential and I was alright with a lot of the endings and the ways things happened, but it genuinely just needed more scope and build up through a better run to the finale. The season being better paced would've solved a lot of the issues.

I do dislike that Homelander kind of just became a caricature of his Season 1+2, but I guess that's just a problem with the series and its direction rather than their execution of it. Antony Starr is an incredible actor and deserves no hate for Kripke's writing, no matter what you think of it.

 

[Omegas03]

So I'll be honest

Tumor Butcher consistently scales to 9-A/8-C tier supes

Finale Butcher either remains the same scaling, and the HL fight is labeled as a outlier/poor writing or well, he suddenly got a silent power up in the finale and gets a new key that scales him to 8B

 

[TheFoolKlien]

Trump is an absolutely corrupt narcissistic supremacist oligarchistic totalitarian ethnonationalistic bigot, who has stated himself that he wants to commit genocide for fun, and explicitly thinks that he is the modern Jesus Christ, which equals fascism and a god-complex, whether you like it or not, and Elon Musk also corresponds with several of those areas, even if the latter is far more intelligent/calculated/premeditated about it, and I don't care at all for any of those ideologies, and stand for that regardless of your own sympathies.

Can you define what is Fascism? Why cant your description can also be expressed as other ideologies such as Communism, Syndicalism, Maosim, Stalinist, Corporatism, Fangalism, etc

 

[Just_Butchering]

The only anti feat is losing to bomb sight.

S5E4, while both under the effects of Quinn's powers to make them want to kill each other, Kimiko hold her own against Butcher. If he was Homelander level, he would have easily won.

Butcher was narratively set up to be a big deal since he sacrificed "a lot" when he gave in ti kessler,and immediately one shotted the threat that the whole season was building up to.

Yes, and while that doesn't negate a possible scaling to Homelander, it also doesn't directly scale him to Homelander either. It just means that his tendrils upscales the likes of Kimiko and Starlight.

He even stepped up to fight homelander in the camp.

Dude is ballsy enough to do that even as a human, so not really relevant.

And the other "anti feat" is him avoiding the 1s against SB who is top 2.And that still doesn't constitute an anti feat anyway.

No, but he also said that fightining Homelander without the virus was suicide and futile, so.

(He also beat the ball sack man who is outerversal)

 

[Ethnikistis]

Narratively set up to be the strongest yet almost folded to Kimiko, his tentacle weren't actually fast enough to save Hughie yet he could intercept a Homelander who was just able to fly into space and comeback in like a few seconds earlier in the same episode and overall had insane speed feats even without lasers, didn't even dare to fight Homelander or SB 1v1 and even ran away from him after he got V1 he was just overly relying on the virus and Bombsight straight up slammed him which is not PIS, Bombsight was straight up Soldier Boy level. Same Soldier Boy who has repeatedly been established to be near-Homelander tier when he's not tired.

Butcher is consistently a 9-A to 8-C tier supe because the only time he actually does something against a god tier supe is in the finale.

Murdering Vic is NOT an argument, shes like Starlight level durability lol. From a narrative standpoint it actually made sense to have him mid high tier without actually comparing to the real deal top 3-5 supes.

Butcher, was far away from Hughie for your arguement to actually make sense,the heat vision from point blank range is faster than Homies flight speed.

Dodging 1s from soldier boy isnt necessarily an anti feat,it doesn't 100% prove that he wouldve lost the fight,and it doesn't necessarily say that Butcher wouldnt have put up a good fight against him.

Against Kimiko there is really nothing to say,Kimiko only caught him off guard smackes his tenatacle dih and threw him on a wall,which proves nothing since Butcher after that slammed her on a wall two times easily,she posed no threat to him.

The only actual anti feat is against Bombsight, I'd call that PIS since the plot required that Bombsight fights SB.But anyways BS is comparable to SB so again not a great point.
And feats>Anti feats.

 

[Ethnikistis]

S5E4, while both under the effects of Quinn's powers to make them want to kill each other, Kimiko hold her own against Butcher. If he was Homelander level, he would have easily won.

Yes, and while that doesn't negate a possible scaling to Homelander, it also doesn't directly scale him to Homelander either. It just means that his tendrils upscales the likes of Kimiko and Starlight.

Dude is ballsy enough to do that even as a human, so not really relevant.

No, but he also said that fightining Homelander without the virus was suicide and futile, so.

Butcher dogged on Kimiko bro,Kimiko just caught him off guard and slammed him on to a wall,Butcher wrecked her after.

And Im just stating that the narrative places him as someone who can no diff pretty nuch the entire threat of the 4th season.

And Butcher wouldve never try a 1v1 with powers against Homelander.

And yeah fighting Homie on his own is gonna result to his death,thats obvious logic,he couldve still put up a fight though.

Only notable anti feat that im seeing is against Bombsight.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Butcher dogged on Kimiko bro,Kimiko just caught him off guard and slammed him on to a wall,Butcher wrecked her after.

She still got hits in and took hits from him. Soldier Boy in S3 pretty much one tapped her and Starlight. The fact that Butcher struggled somewhat means he is not as strong

And Im just stating that the narrative places him as someone who can no diff pretty nuch the entire threat of the 4th season.

And yeah fighting Homie on his own is gonna result to his death,thats obvious logic,he couldve still put up a fight though.

Only notable anti feat that im seeing is against Bombsight.

The only actual anti feat is against Bombsight, I'd call that PIS since the plot required that Bombsight fights SB.But anyways BS is comparable to SB so again not a great point.

And Butcher suddenly matching Homelander wouldn't be PIS?

 

[TegamiBachi25]

I just learned Homelander is dead. So are there final CRTs in the work now?

 

[Just_Butchering]

I just learned Homelander is dead. So are there final CRTs in the work now?

I wanted to make one for the speed tiers, and then just mentioned what abilities and stuff was shown in this last season, but I haven't had much available time

 

[Omegas03]

Uh not much related, but how would a depowered Soldier Boy (Ben) against Butcher turn out? I don't think it's going to be a complete ass whooping like it happened to Homelander, but I dunno

 

[Spinoirr]

Uh not much related, but how would a depowered Soldier Boy (Ben) against Butcher turn out? I don't think it's going to be a complete ass whooping like it happened to Homelander, but I dunno

Honestly I'd think he'd just be pissed but also relieved he won't live forever alone (Mostly trapped and betrayed'tm in a cryo tube)

He'd still have his combat skill he actually has

 

[GunshyFever]

He would more than likely perform better than Homelander due to his past experience as a black ops soldier. Hell, that is how he managed to hold his own against Homelander for the length of their fight.

I can imagine Butcher taking it mid-high diff though.

 

[Omegas03]

I reckon a low-mid diff battle tbh but it's debatable

 

[GodlyCharmander]

If both are depowered, it's gonna depend on who has more skill and muscle. Sodlier Boy has this in the bag, what are we saying? Dude is jacked and has actual training.

 

[GunshyFever]

If both are depowered, it's gonna depend on who has more skill and muscle. Sodlier Boy has this in the bag, what are we saying? Dude is jacked and has actual training.

I'd honestly give the edge to Butcher, being more jacked does not equate to being stronger, which I've seen firsthand and Butcher is not clueless in combat either. In fact he has more experience in h2h combat than what we know of SB.

 

[E1iminxtion]

So unless you all want to kill this thread with constant arguing about the Finale then we should leave this topic as neither side is subsiding.

based, so how about we talk about the real issue which is, when does the whole verse get downgraded to athletic human?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I'd honestly give the edge to Butcher, being more jacked does not equate to being stronger, which I've seen firsthand and Butcher is not clueless in combat either. In fact he has more experience in h2h combat than what we know of SB.

????

Depowered Butcher has a few fights under his belt, SB was an agent for several decades, and has basic military training that already beats out having, like, 7 h2h fights in a period of 5 years. It's an average shape man vs Jensen Ackles. Sorry, that's just not happening

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Uh not much related, but how would a depowered Soldier Boy (Ben) against Butcher turn out? I don't think it's going to be a complete ass whooping like it happened to Homelander, but I dunno

????

Depowered Butcher has a few fights under his belt, SB was an agent for several decades, and has basic military training that already beats out having, like, 7 h2h fights in a period of 5 years. It's an average shape man vs Jensen Ackles. Sorry, that's just not happening

Tbf, Butcher very clearly isn’t normal. Peak human reactions, wall level strength, at least athletic human lifting strength. We have no way of knowing what the stats of a depowered Soldier Boy would be. Sure he’s jacked and looks like Jenken Ackles. Just Jensen Ackles isn’t wall level

By skill, most of Soldier Boy’s experience is from when he’s super powered. Butcher was in the special ops as a normal guy. And he’s fought against supes, and against MM, who’s fought supes

So honestly, I actually think Butcher takes this based off the evidence we have

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Also. For Sage. I think it’s safe to leave her lifting and striking strength the same. She overpowered Ashley, but not necessarily with ease. And neither have any superhuman strength feats

By durability though, she wasn’t knocked out by Kimiko’s blast. And even Homelander was. Now I’m not trying to say that Sage scales to Homelander in durability. Kimiko obviously had a stronger blast after her whole hallucination. But Sage definitely has some good durability. At least wall level. I’d argue she could scale to mid tiers though

 

[Crazylatin77]

Maybe Kimiko can control the intensity of the blast, like Soldier Boy. Bombsight was only depowered with a direct hit from Soldier Boy's blast, while Crimson Countess was reduced to a charred corpse.

 

[Legion350]

Reddit removed the title for spoilers, but this is one of the funniest threads I've stumbled across by accident. Lmao, the original post was trying to find someone weak enough to lose against Homelander from the finale.

Apparently, this guy is a threat to Homelander w/o powers

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Maybe Kimiko can control the intensity of the blast, like Soldier Boy. Bombsight was only depowered with a direct hit from Soldier Boy's blast, while Crimson Countess was reduced to a charred corpse.

Fair enough. I’d still say at least street level though, since it clearly had good force behind it, and Sage went flying backwards

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Though actually, Kimiko herself went flying too. Idk, we can wait for revisions to discuss it more