The Boys discussion thread

[Phoenks]

Honestly even if Homelander went on a rampage a big epic fight he'd probably target civilians on purpose to distract the person he's fighting to save people because he's a Coward

Plus it'll end the same way, he loses his powers and ends as a pathetic nobody he always was

Don't advertise the season as scorched earth global terror and then give us a fight confined to a single room where Homelander is nerfed for plot convenience

 

[Antvasima]

Well, the plot thematically required him to be depowered and filmed showing the nation the tiny snivelling hollow cowardly rotten piece of excrement that he truly is at his core, which wouldn't work if he got the chance to fly out of range for both, but he was mentally deteriorating to extremes at the time and couldn't imagine himself losing due to his extreme god-complex.

 

[Spinoirr]

Honestly if Butcher hadn't entered the Oval Office when he did I bet Homelander would've went on that rampage given his speech to America

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I understand why they did it the way they did. It just still felt anti climactic, in a way. And I really don’t dislike the season. But a lot of the episodes in this season just didn’t feel necessary for a final season

Again, I don’t think it’s bad by any means. Just kind of… like a balloon deflating instead of popping

 

[Antvasima]

Honestly if Butcher hadn't entered the Oval Office when he did I bet Homelander would've went on that rampage given his speech to America

Yes, he planned to use psychics to find all people who did not worship him as a god, and commit systematic genocide on them.

 

[Slav]

I still think that the showrunners displayed moral fortitude and stayed true to their original vision by ending this show the way they did, and that those who allegedly liked the show in the beginning should complain much less about it.

Yes, real world style satanic evil was dissected and displayed for what it truly is instead of glorified into a "cool" power-trip, but that is something extremely positive in my book. And the ending music was perfect.

I really liked the thematics of the ending in any case, regardless what the relentless horde of algorithm-brainwashed Twitter pawns of Elon Musk (who, among other things, casually caused the deaths of over 14 million poor and starving people between 2025 to 2030 alone, by shutting down U.S.A.I.D., in order to finance tax cuts for billionaires) may think.

Didn't know this was a place for mfs to display their atrocious political beliefs.

 

[Antvasima]

I understand why they did it the way they did. It just still felt anti climactic, in a way. And I really don’t dislike the season. But a lot of the episodes in this season just didn’t feel necessary for a final season

Again, I don’t think it’s bad by any means. Just kind of… like a balloon deflating instead of popping

Yes, but I think that the ending style was intentional. It was more two big "what you are in the dark" moments, one for Homelander and the other for Butcher, than a big battle to make the main villain (well, except for Vought) look like a cool power-trip to the audience.

 

[Omegas03]

Don't advertise the season as scorched earth global terror and then give us a fight confined to a single room where Homelander is nerfed for plot convenience

For real. Two freaking posters hyping the whole season and nothing of the posters happen too

 

[Antvasima]

Didn't know this was a place for mfs to display their atrocious political beliefs.

I think that I read somebody here mention that the showrunner should be tortured into begging for his life for having the audacity to not glorify fascist ideology. That is a genuinely atrocious political belief. Me, I am just a spiritually inclined humanist who believes in freedom and equality and heavily dislikes glorified evil within media or otherwise. There is nothing comparatively atrocious about it that I know of.

 

[Ethnikistis]

Man,I really am the only one who doesn't mind Butcher scaling to Homie.

 

[Antvasima]

For real. Two freaking posters hyping the whole season and nothing of the posters happen too

Those were symbolic visions of what each of the two main opposing characters, Butcher and Homelander, wanted, rather than what they accomplished though. They each explicitly intended to do it, but both failed in the end.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Yes, but I think that the ending style was intentional. It was more two big "what you are in the dark" moments, one for Homelander and the other for Butcher, than a big battle to make the main villain (well, except for Vought) look like a cool power-trip to the audience.

True. It mirrored current US politics really well, and clearly intentionally. That being said, there was build up. Multiple instances of Homelander threatening to cause mass destruction. It was even teased in the promotional material

So it just felt like that built up energy went nowhere. When you need to sneeze, then suddenly just don’t anymore. When a song ends without a chorus. You get the idea

It was an ending, and makes enough sense. I just personally expected different

 

[CoppeliaCallahan]

The best speed statements for standard supes are Noir being stated to be faster than a car, which is subsonic. For the fastest supes, the best statements are supersonic. So realisically, the further we push it behind these for each respectively, the more canon breaking it is

I guess what I'm confused about is where the standard is being set. If being inconsistent with a handful of statements is 'canon breaking', why is rendering significant moments like Homelander's rescue of Butcher impossible not canon breaking? I don't have much of a horse in the race either way, but I'm struggling to conceptualize the limits here.

 

[Slav]

I think that I read somebody here mention that the showrunner should be tortured into begging for his life for having the audacity to not glorify fascist ideology. That is a genuine atrocious political belief. Me, I am just a spiritually inclined humanist who believes in freedom and equality and hesvily dislikes glorified evil within media or otherwise. There is nothing comparatively atrocious about it that I know of.

Well, I'd say he is no better than you. I certainly won't agree with the comments made about Kripke, as atrocious of a writer as he is. That said, all you do is spur buzzwords around to push your equally atrocious political beliefs, and label anything you disagree with as ''fascist ideology''. Which funnily enough causes IRL harm when useful idiots these words to heart and decide to go on murder sprees. You're disappointing.

 

[Antvasima]

True. It mirrored current US politics really well, and clearly intentionally. That being said, there was build up. Multiple instances of Homelander threatening to cause mass destruction. It was even teased in the promotional material

So it just felt like that built up energy went nowhere. When you need to sneeze, then suddenly just don’t anymore. When a song ends without a chorus. You get the idea

It was an ending, and makes enough sense. I just personally expected different

That's much more balanced criticism. I respect that.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I think that I read somebody here mention that the showrunner should be tortured into begging for his life for having the audacity to not glorify fascist ideology. That is a genuine atrocious political belief. Me, I am just a spiritually inclined humanist who believes in freedom and equality and heavily dislikes glorified evil within media or otherwise. There is nothing comparatively atrocious about it that I know of.

I do think people are being a bit much with their criticism of it. That being said though, I think if he did go on a rampage, it wouldn’t have to be in a glorifying facism way. I think him dying the way he did, so pathetically, was absolutely perfect. That’s how I imagined it happening, and that was satisfying

But the big rampage could easily have been done as a way to mirror the scary potential of facism. It didn’t have to be “look how awesome this is”, it could I have been “look how scary this is”, like how some of the fan made found footage videos are

 

[CoppeliaCallahan]

I think it's mostly that Homelander being a pathetic, sniveling loser of a man does not have to be at odds with him having incredible power he uses to terrorize people. Season 5 leaned too far into the former without emphasizing the latter, hence the criticism. A lot of the scariest evil individuals aren't just scary because they're evil, but because they're evil and have immense power at their disposal.

 

[Spinoirr]

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[Antvasima]

Well, I'd say he is no better than you. I certainly won't agree with the comments made about Kripke, as atrocious of a writer as he is. That said, all you do is spur buzzwords around to push your equally atrocious political beliefs, and label anything you disagree with as ''fascist ideology''. Which funnily enough causes IRL harm when useful idiots these words to heart and decide to go on murder sprees. You're disappointing.

Trump is an absolutely corrupt narcissistic supremacist oligarchistic totalitarian ethnonationalistic bigot, who has stated himself that he wants to commit genocide for fun, and explicitly thinks that he is the modern Jesus Christ, which equals fascism and a god-complex, whether you like it or not, and Elon Musk also corresponds with several of those areas, even if the latter is far more intelligent/calculated/premeditated about it, and I don't care at all for any of those ideologies, and stand for that regardless of your own sympathies.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I guess what I'm confused about is where the standard is being set. If being inconsistent with a handful of statements is 'canon breaking', why is rendering significant moments like Homelander's rescue of Butcher impossible not canon breaking? I don't have much of a horse in the race either way, but I'm struggling to conceptualize the limits here.

Really, these only exist because of inconsistency in the scaling. However, I would say that, statements show very clear intentionality. The author had to look and decide that transonic speed is fast for A-Train, it is seen as at least being near the peak of speed in the verse

Inconsistent feats could just be the author not thinking of the implications of the scenes

 

[Antvasima]

I think it's mostly that Homelander being a pathetic, sniveling loser of a man does not have to be at odds with him having incredible power he uses to terrorize people. Season 5 leaned too far into the former without emphasizing the latter, hence the criticism. A lot of the scariest evil individuals aren't just scary because they're evil, but because they're evil and have immense power at their disposal.

That is also balanced criticism, so that is perfectly fine.

 

[Slav]

Trump is a narcissistic supremacist oligarchistic totalitarian ethnonationalist bigot, who has stated himself that he wants to commit genocide for fun, which equals fascism, whether you like it or not, and so is Elon Musk, even if the latter is far more intelligent/calculated/premeditated about it, and I don't care at all for any of those ideologies, and stand for that.

He actually directly said he doesn't want to do that, but go on. I'd still say tho, don't think this is an appropriate site for you to spur your TDS around.

And none of these wimpy buzzwords have any meaning anymore, since other bots have overused them that much. You don't know the meaning of the words you use. Now, I could school you on politics in another platform, since this is getting kinda fun. But for now I think this will be my last response to this HERE. This is a scaling site, not Kamala Harris' BlueSky account.

 

[CoppeliaCallahan]

However, I would say that, statements show very clear intentionality. The author had to look and decide that transonic speed is fast for A-Train, it is seen as at least being near the peak of speed in the verse

I see. And just as a question, when you say 'decide that transonic speed is fast for A-Train', are you referring to his race with Shockwave in Season One? My memory is admittedly not the best so I'm not sure if his speed was measured since then.

 

[Antvasima]

He actually directly said he doesn't want to do that, but go on. I'd still say tho, don't think this is an appropriate site for you to spur your TDS around.

And none of these wimpy buzzwords have any meaning anymore, since other bots have overused them that much. You don't know the meaning of the words you use. Now, I could school you on politics in another platform, since this is getting kinda fun. But for now I think this will be my last response to this HERE. This is a scaling site, not Kamala Harris' BlueSky account.

I know perfectly well what all of the terms in question mean, and do not use them as buzzwords. I just have a rather large vocabulary, and I dislike fascist belief systems in general, not remotely restricted to Trump, and Kamala is a far too bought and paid for establishment capitalist for my tastes.

If you want a longer analysis, read my wiki user page and my old story, but if you personally sympathise with fascism and supremacism, those are not the kinds of ideals we want in what is supposed to be an international and well-intended community.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I see. And just as a question, when you say 'decide that transonic speed is fast for A-Train', are you referring to his race with Shockwave in Season One? My memory is admittedly not the best so I'm not sure if his speed was measured since then.

Yeah. Forgot the exact number, but it was in the transonic ranges. It was his speed he used to beat Shockwave. And obviously if this same speed was slower than Mister Marathon, then why not just bring him back onto the team?

Mister Marathon was the same guy who was faster than Soldier Boy

And, Homelander even says that A-Train at his prime was faster than he was. And A-Train presumably beat Mister Marathon in his prime, yet Mister Marathon believed that, given a second race, he could’ve beaten A-Train

So Prime A-Train > Mister Marathon >= Homelander

It’s tricky to say though, as Homelander’s statements range from Transonic to supersonic, with the fastest being that he kept pace with the Blue Angels, I think it was. And they move at Mach 1.6

So inconsistent either way, but still in the transonic to supersonic ranges

A-Train was also said to move at 1,000 mph at one point. He also has a couple statements about how fast he can cover Manhattan, and all the boroughs of nyc. And both statements are in the supersonic ranges

So they’re inconsistent in terms of exactly how fast characters are. But there are so many statements just in the transonic to supersonic ranges that I think assuming the characters are actually high hypersonic or faster is just crazy

 

[Omegas03]

Those were symbolic visions of what each of the two main opposing characters, Butcher and Homelander, wanted, rather than what they accomplished though. They each explicitly intended to do it, but both failed at the end.

Nah man that's just excuses atp. We have been teased with the idea of Homelander going nuts ever since S2, mentions of it in 3 and 4 too. Butcher's poster actually happened in the comics. I don't mind Homelander progressively getting more insane but he was overly flanderized this season and accomplished absolutely nothing. In earlier season theres was a world building and tension going on, even in the 4th season ffs.

Theres supposedly concentration camps and it amounts to nothing more than one episode, Homelander kills the president and literally nobody gives a f, etc. Higher stakes and somehow there was a lot more tension in Season 1.

Oh, and Homelander getting conveniently nerfed for the finale battle so he can die, I mean. Obviously he had to die and his last moments was a genuinely great scene but the execution to get to that point was atrocious

 

[Antvasima]

Nah man that's just excuses atp. We have been teased with the idea of Homelander going nuts ever since S2, mentions of it in 3 and 4 too. Butcher's poster actually happened in the comics. I don't mind Homelander progressively getting more insane but he was overly flanderized this season and accomplished absolutely nothing. In earlier season theres was a world building and tension going on, even in the 4th season ffs.

Theres supposedly concentration camps and it amounts to nothing more than one episode, Homelander kills the president and literally nobody gives a f, etc. Higher stakes and somehow there was a lot more tension in Season 1.

Oh, and Homelander getting conveniently nerfed for the finale battle so he can die, I mean. Obviously he had to die and his last moments was a genuinely great scene but the execution to get to that point was atrocious

Okay. That is another balanced criticism. I don't entirely agree, but you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[Slav]

I know perfectly well what all of the terms in question mean, and do not use them as buzzwords, I just have a rather large vocabulary, and I dislike fascist belief systems in general, not remotely restricted to Trump, and Kamala is a far too bought and paid for establishment capitalist for my tastes.

If you want a longer analysis, read my wiki user page and my old story, but if you personally sympathise with fascism and supremacism, those are not the kinds of ideals we want in what is supposed to be an international and well-intended community.

''international well-intended community'' Directly lies about quotes so that he can falsely label the opposition as fascist. You're not as smart as you think. No examples of fascism, huh?

Funnily enough you hinting banning me for calling you out is quite fascist, don't you think? By definition, in fact. Crazy I already named an example of fascism committed by you before you could name one for Trump ( Which mind you if you can find me an example I'd agree with you it's bad. ). What are your other socials? Would LOVE to have my fun with you.

 

[ShionAH]

Okay. That is another balanced criticism. I don't entirely agree, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Hey Ant, I am curious do you have any takes on the show? Scaling wise? Like what speed do you think Homelander fits.

 

[Omegas03]

Oh, and don't get me started on all the Gen V lore. Two entire seasons of hyping up the kids especially Marie and they amount to nothing more than a cameo.

Why are two random nobody supes getting more screentime than the MCs from Gen V? Like we get a cutscene of them sniffing their butts for like TWO ENTIRE MINUTES.

and the reason they havent been included in the final fight is just stupid excuses btw, it's just lazy writing.

I may sound like a hater but I absolutely loved this series the first 4 seasons. I felt like 5th was a huge disappointment and for the most part just filler. I tried to defend it until like 5th-6th episode

 

[ShionAH]

and the reason they havent been included in the final fight is just stupid excuses btw, it's just lazy writing.

Literally just make it so Marie shows up and uses her powers to heavily weaken Homelander throughout the fight. Easy.

 

[Antvasima]

''international well-intended community'' Directly lies about quotes so that he can falsely label the opposition as fascist. You're not as smart as you think. No examples of fascism, huh?

If you heavily sympathise with all of the ideals of Trump and Musk, then those are fascist ideals. If you do not, then you are not, but you certainly got triggered by myself mentioning Musk's calculated death count.

Funnily enough you hinting banning me for calling you out is quite fascist, don't you think? By definition, in fact. Crazy I already named an example of fascism committed by you before you could name one for Trump ( Which mind you if you can find me an example I'd agree with you it's bad. ).

No, that is just following our established community rules.

What are your other socials? Would LOVE to have my fun with you.

And now you are engaging in malicious trolling and threatening to stalk me. I prefer to have some privacy thank you very much.

 

[Antvasima]

Hey Ant, I am curious do you have any takes on the show? Scaling wise? Like what speed do you think Homelander fits.

I honestly do not know. My apologies. I am mostly longterm engaged in this community due to feeling responsible for its wellbeing, not due to being particularly interested in power-levels, except for when they seem to get extremely unreliably exaggerated.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Yeah. Forgot the exact number, but it was in the transonic ranges. It was his speed he used to beat Shockwave. And obviously if this same speed was slower than Mister Marathon, then why not just bring him back onto the team?

Mister Marathon was the same guy who was faster than Soldier Boy

And, Homelander even says that A-Train at his prime was faster than he was. And A-Train presumably beat Mister Marathon in his prime, yet Mister Marathon believed that, given a second race, he could’ve beaten A-Train

So Prime A-Train > Mister Marathon >= Homelander

It’s tricky to say though, as Homelander’s statements range from Transonic to supersonic, with the fastest being that he kept pace with the Blue Angels, I think it was. And they move at Mach 1.6

So inconsistent either way, but still in the transonic to supersonic ranges

The only way is not fully inconsistent is if S5 A-Train > S1 A-Train

A-Train was also said to move at 1,000 mph at one point.

Yeah, they overhyped him lol

He also has a couple statements about how fast he can cover Manhattan, and all the boroughs of nyc. And both statements are in the supersonic ranges

While the calcs were supersonic, if actually we used A-Train's stated speed at the time, it would resulted in 30+ minutes (Butcher's comment was an estimate after all, so close enough to work)

So they’re inconsistent in terms of exactly how fast characters are. But there are so many statements just in the transonic to supersonic ranges that I think assuming the characters are actually high hypersonic or faster is just crazy

Yeah, Supersonic seems to be the best for the verse

 

[Just_Butchering]

Would LOVE to have my fun with you.

Psychopathic ahh comment jesus

 

[Queen_Dasania]

The only way is not fully inconsistent is if S5 A-Train > S1 A-Train

Yeah, they overhyped him lol

While the calcs were supersonic, if actually we used A-Train's stated speed at the time, it would resulted in 30+ minutes (Butcher's comment was an estimate after all, so close enough to work)

Yeah, Supersonic seems to be the best for the verse

And funny enough, it seems to be the case based off statements that he is not in his prime in season 5 lol

 

[Slav]

If you heavily sympathise with all of the ideals of Trump and Musk, then those are fascist ideals. If you do not, then you are not, but you certainly got triggered by myself mentioning Musk's calculated death count.

And now you are engaging in malicious trolling and threatening to stalk me. I prefer to have some privacy thank you very much.

Triggered? I'm laughing at this whole thing. You lie about quotes and post political misinformation on a powerscaling website.

That's not malicious trolling, that's called you being called out on your lies. Must be new, huh? Then again, so many people are quick to use whatever buzzword they think can make the opposition look as bad as possible. BTW, threatening stalking? All I said is that I'd love to discuss the politics with you on a more suitable platofrm. That's not stalking. It's me offering you a debate. If you're not confident it's okay. I didn't have any hopes for you actually standing your ground on a site that's more appropriate. Now, I will let you have your privacy since all of this clearly upset you a lot.

 

[E1iminxtion]

why are we even still talking about this? the one dude is just sitting there “yeah the finale was written like ass, it was anticlimactic, so much left on the table, but atleast the big mean poopiehead died because hes like trump and trump should die too, therefore good finale because thats all that matters”

like, again, kids cheering when a power rangers monster of the week dies type sh***, no wonder antony starr is already tryna distance himself from the whole thing, the art of scriptwriting is dead as hell

just talk about the scaling of this fraud verse, this is a forum about fake characters fighting eachother in fake scenarios, yall are gonna get nowhere talking about something thats clearly biased on all fronts. where we at with the overall speed scaling? they getting an upgrade or everyone to subsonic hell?

 

[Antvasima]

I am perfectly capable of mentioning solid examples of Trump's and Musk's most extreme acts and value systems, but it would require considerable amounts of time and energy to schematically structure and source all of it, and I have long since learned to not engage in extensive political discussions with conscience-deprived extremists online.

 

[Omegas03]

Okay. That is another balanced criticism. I don't entirely agree, but you are entitled to your opinion.

yeah lets just agree to disagree. I respect that