Weekly's Verse Unf**kening Part 1.1: Kill La Kill

[WeeklyBattles]

Figured it's time I start getting around to those updates I've been yapping about, and what better time than post-Ragyo vs Lusamine now that Kill La Kill IF IS back on everyone's radar. Lucky for me, Cyberblader took care of getting IF canonicity established and accepted here, so that takes a huge load off my back.

Kill La Kill Changes (IF is Canon)

Note, this CRT isn't meant to change Stats for Kill La Kill, just point out canonicity. Kill La Kill IF is an Arena Fighter game released in 2019. It has several statements of being canon and part of the anime continuity for Kill La Kill. To preface for the following statements, Kazuki...

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With this dealt with, the next step is merging the profiles and establishing updated stats and abilities for the verse.

Life Fibers Are Higher Dimensional Beings:

For starters, Life Fibers are consistently described as being a higher dimensional species.



Life Fibers are outright stated to transcend space, allowing the Primordial Life Fiber to instantly move from the Fiber Palace under the Revocs Corporation to the space underneath Honouiji Academy.



Ragyo also demonstrates this.



In addition, the Primordial Life Fiber is able to absorb Satsuki's Fiber World, spinning it into a single thread that would become part of its body.



One of the biggest examples, Senketsu confirms that Satsuki herself is what time in her Fiber World flows through, and that time was compressing time according to her will, with her rewriting her own past so rather than Junketsu being destroyed, it was instead massively empowered.



This is further solidified by the fact that Satsuki and Ragyo's wills clashing was destabilizing the flow of time.

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2919

And the kicker, the Primordial Life Fiber was able to reach into parallel universes and timelines, into both the past and future simultaneously, cementing its existence beyond 4 dimensions.

Which brings us to our second point.

Satsuki's Fiber World:

The overarching plot of IF revolves around Satsuki, through Junketsu's power, willing an entire alternate timeline into existence. On its own this is a textbook Low 2-C feat, but the game offers points that not only are Life Fibers higher dimensional, but Satsuki's timeline is also higher dimensional:

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=526

Satsuki's timeline is specifically a Fiber World, a distorted timeline that transcends space and time.

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2591

Fiber Worlds are created by Life Fibers interfering with reality, making a person's goals tangible reality.

With all of this taken into account, Life Fibers and the Fiber World Satsuki created, would be 5-D for transcending four spatial dimensions, if not 6-D for having its own higher order flow of time that is dictated by the will of the Life Fibers.

IF Abilities:

In addition to scaling, IF gave the cast a bunch of new abilities:

Immortality (Type 8) stat amplification and power null resistance:

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2919

Able to absorb Life Fibers from across the multiverse and time to regenerate and empower itself, and as long as they have a supply of Life Fibers they will keep regenerating, even from attacks that normally nullify regeneration like the scissor cut Ryuko attempted.

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2556

Ryuko confirms that anything the Primordial Life Fiber can do, she and Senketsu can do too, and then proceeds to steal the PLF's regen/immortality so she and Satsuki can kill it.

Reality Warping, Subjective Reality, Time Manipulation, and Causality Manipulation:

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2591

Ragyo explains how Life Fibers can interfere with reality and make a person's goals tangible reality, as well as Ragyo confirming that her influence is significantly stronger than Satsuki's

https://youtu.be/CV8vQPD_VwI?t=4042

Life Fiber users are able to compress time

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=3077

Satsuki was compressing time according to her will, with her rewriting her own past so rather than Junketsu being destroyed, it was instead massively empowered

And for the stats

AP/Durability:

Aside from the whole ‘satsuki created the Fiber World and ragyo was going to destroy the multiverse using it:’

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=3262

The PLF was collapsing the Fiber World just by existing, and ryuko and satsuki in their super forms fought and killed it.

Speed:

Aside from the higher d stuff that would already qualify for Immeasurable speed:

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=3797

Ryuko and Satsuki interacted in a timeless void after Satsuki collapsed her timeline.

Who Gets These Stats?

Satsuki with Junketsu, Ragyo, and Nui would all get these stats. In the game Ryuko does not scale to these feats immediately, only reaching this level once she achieves True Life Fiber Synchronization, so every key of her from then onwards would scale.

Sooooo yeah, that's the gist of it.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

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[Tony_di_bugalu]

I disagree on the principle of disagreeing with weeklybattles for the reasons presented above

Nice to see you did it.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Finally we get some Weekly feats of making CRTs instead of just statements of intent.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Any opinions tho?

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

I'll say properly after looking through when I am free, but on surface looks feasible.

 

[Planck69]

Just "transcending space and time" doesn't make something significantly sized in 5 dimensional axes. And being called higher-dimensional is again, meaningless without elaboration on the extent of the higher-dimensional axes (or if it's even an axis at all). I can see at most Low 2-C for the Life Fibre Worlds and the characters that scale to them.

Interacting with a timeless void isnt a speed feat at all anymore, let alone Immeasurable. So I disagree with that part outright. And encompassing/being larger than a timeline is at most Massively FTL+ to Infinite (and I'm not saying that's what's happening here either).

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Just "transcending space and time" doesn't make something significantly sized in 5 dimensional axes. And being called higher-dimensional is again, meaningless without elaboration on the extent of the higher-dimensional axes (or if it's even an axis at all). I can see at most Low 2-C for the Life Fibre Worlds and the characters that scale to them.

Kill La Kill IF (Canon + Stats)

Links to Gameplay: Satsuki Campaign (English) Satsuki Campaign (Japanese)Ryuko Campaign (English) Ryuko Campaign (Japanese) Full game purely in Japanese with no subs (Channel has videos) Game Gloss…

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Would this help support it? That its calculated that there are between 10 billion and 1.6 trillion universes in the multiverse, and the Life Fibers transcend it?

Also they do elaborate on it, Life fibers are shown to be beyond the scope of 3 dimensional space, bypassing it entirely when they move, as well as physically existing beyond time and being able to move through it

Interacting with a timeless void isnt a speed feat at all anymore, let alone Immeasurable. So I disagree with that part outright. And encompassing/being larger than a timeline is at most Massively FTL+ to Infinite (and I'm not saying that's what's happening here either).

Fair, at most that was just a bit feat supporting the other immeasurable feats

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also im wondering if I should bring up the Triggerverse stuff here or do it in another thread...

 

[JJSliderman]

The PLF doesn’t absorb timelines into itself, the text just says that with the fiber, a universe can be spun into a single thread. It never happens on screen, so there’s no reason to say the fiber is itself made up of timelines.

Pulling fibers from all time periods being immeasurable sounds alright on the high end though.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also im wondering if I should bring up the Triggerverse stuff here or do it in another thread...

Another thread please, this CRT alrealdy covers enough.

 

[GilverTheProtoAngelo]

Absorbing fibres accross timelines, past/present/future can be immeasurable with high end interpretations.

 

[Planck69]

Kill La Kill IF (Canon + Stats)

Links to Gameplay: Satsuki Campaign (English) Satsuki Campaign (Japanese)Ryuko Campaign (English) Ryuko Campaign (Japanese) Full game purely in Japanese with no subs (Channel has videos) Game Gloss…

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Would this help support it? That its calculated that there are between 10 billion and 1.6 trillion universes in the multiverse, and the Life Fibers transcend it?

Fair, at most that was just a bit feat supporting the other immeasurable feats

Again, the core issue is that you have to actually elaborate transcend to mean "the Life Fibre extends infinitely in a higher-dimensional axis". Whether the multiverse is Low 2-C or 2-A is irrelevant to that, because there's no longer a default tier for that sort of statement.

And we don't use hypothetical mass-energy calculations to derive number of universes, what?

The PLF doesn’t absorb timelines into itself, the text just says that with the fiber, a universe can be spun into a single thread. It never happens on screen, so there’s no reason to say the fiber is itself made up of timelines.

Pulling fibers from all time periods being immeasurable sounds alright on the high end though.

If this is true then I stand by Low 2-C for the Primordial Life Fibre and those that scale to it.

As for Immeasurable, the absorption feat looks promising but the evidence of them "reacting" to it seems a bit flimsy, so I'm neutral to it for now.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Again, the core issue is that you have to actually elaborate transcend to mean "the Life Fibre extends infinitely in a higher-dimensional axis". Whether the multiverse is Low 2-C or 2-A is irrelevant to that, because there's no longer a default tier for that sort of statement.

Also they do elaborate on it, Life fibers are shown to be beyond the scope of 3 dimensional space, bypassing it entirely when they move, as well as physically existing beyond time and being able to move through it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Also would Satsuki's Fiber World not be considered a hypertimeline?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

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[Planck69]

Also they do elaborate on it, Life fibers are shown to be beyond the scope of 3 dimensional space, bypassing it entirely when they move, as well as physically existing beyond time and being able to move through it

This is multiversal range and some degree of higher-dimensional existence, given you yourself elaborate in the OP that them transcending time just means that they can move through it at will, which is the crux of why these "transcendence" statements aren't ever taken at face value. None of this is proof of Low 1-C.

And all of the proof of them being beyond 4-dimensional space-time... is them having explicitly 4-dimensional range.

Also would Satsuki's Fiber World not be considered a hypertimeline?

No. There's nothing here even remotely implying that. At bare minimum, they'd need to be mutliple large 4-dimensional objects/timeline within her Fibre World to even start making the argument at all. That or a plain "Her Fibre World has 2 temporal dimensions" statement.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Also im wondering if I should bring up the Triggerverse stuff here or do it in another thread...

do it on another thread cuz you would need to talk about gurren laggan and that verse is just getting reworked since like two years (were also 2 supporters)

either way I see this as a solid low 2-C, mainly because of the blatant statments of diffrent dimensions and timelines

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

So just checking the thread and giving my 2 cents on the main arguments. You can ignore it since I'm not staff.

Life Fibers Are Higher Dimensional Beings:

For all your scans the only thing that remotely involves "higher D being" is the "distorted world that can transcend space and time but idk how valid it is since "transcend space and time" statements aren't worth much now a days if they don't have a ton of context behind it... which your other videos don't present.

The other things about time, compressing time, destabilizing time are just Low 2-C feats afaik.

And the kicker, the Primordial Life Fiber was able to reach into parallel universes and timelines, into both the past and future simultaneously, cementing its existence beyond 4 dimensions.

This just seems like range. In the 2-C range if there are no explicit numbers/statements given too.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

This just seems like range. In the 2-C range if there are no explicit numbers/statements given too.

yeah range should do it

 

[WeeklyBattles]

This is multiversal range and some degree of higher-dimensional existence, given you yourself elaborate in the OP that them transcending time just means that they can move through it at will, which is the crux of why these "transcendence" statements aren't ever taken at face value. None of this is proof of Low 1-C.

And all of the proof of them being beyond 4-dimensional space-time... is them having explicitly 4-dimensional range.

I see, so they'd only be 4D, not 5D?

No. There's nothing here even remotely implying that. At bare minimum, they'd need to be mutliple large 4-dimensional objects/timeline within her Fibre World to even start making the argument at all. That or a plain "Her Fibre World has 2 temporal dimensions" statement.

Gotcha

 

[WeeklyBattles]

For all your scans the only thing that remotely involves "higher D being" is the "distorted world that can transcend space and time but idk how valid it is since "transcend space and time" statements aren't worth much now a days if they don't have a ton of context behind it... which your other videos don't present.

Yeah thats new to me, its been like 4 years since i made a thread like this? The standards apparently changed since then lol

 

[Theglassman12]

Low 2-C seems fine, the 5-D and 6-D arguments I’m not seeing. Immeasurable speed via timeless void doesn’t work anymore, you need some actual feats of them literally moving through time itself through speed for them to qualify being that fast.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Low 2-C seems fine, the 5-D and 6-D arguments I’m not seeing. Immeasurable speed via timeless void doesn’t work anymore, you need some actual feats of them literally moving through time itself through speed for them to qualify being that fast.

They have that yes, it's in the OP

 

[WeeklyBattles]

do it on another thread cuz you would need to talk about gurren laggan and that verse is just getting reworked since like two years (were also 2 supporters)

either way I see this as a solid low 2-C, mainly because of the blatant statments of diffrent dimensions and timelines

Mkay, should i hold off until thats done then?

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Mkay, should i hold off until thats done then?

yes pls

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Bump

 

[Planck69]

@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Dereck03 @LordGriffin1000 @Random-Helper323 @Reiner04 @KingTempest

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Mbpoops]

following

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Planck makes sense to me.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'll have an updated profile ready for the cast done in my sandbox later tonight

 

[Random-Helper323]

For Tier 1, being higher dimensional isn't enough by itself. The distinction is insignificant versus significant 5-D or higher. If there's nothing to demonstrate size on that axis we're left with an insignificant higher dimensional size on that axis.

Creating a timeline is Low 2-C, obviously. Although we'd usually need some reason to scale it to the character's stats.

 

[Theglassman12]

@WeeklyBattles Where's the proof of them moving through time with speed? You only posted timeless voids stuff which mean nothing.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Creating a timeline is Low 2-C, obviously. Although we'd usually need some reason to scale it to the character's stats.

ryuko killed the guy who was creating them and affecting them, so i think its pretty straightfoward

 

[WeeklyBattles]

For Tier 1, being higher dimensional isn't enough by itself. The distinction is insignificant versus significant 5-D or higher. If there's nothing to demonstrate size on that axis we're left with an insignificant higher dimensional size on that axis.

Creating a timeline is Low 2-C, obviously. Although we'd usually need some reason to scale it to the character's stats.

Satsuki destroyed her own timeline at the end of the game, the Primordial Life fiber was collapsing the timeline just by existing, and ragyo and satauki clashing was causing the flow of time to warp and distort

 

[WeeklyBattles]

@WeeklyBattles Where's the proof of them moving through time with speed? You only posted timeless voids stuff which mean nothing.

https://youtu.be/cF6ij7b7_ao?t=2919

The Primordial life fiber was able to physically reach into parallel universes and timelines, into both the past and future simultaneously.

Theres also:



Life Fibers are outright stated to transcend space, allowing the Primordial Life Fiber to instantly move from the Fiber Palace under the Revocs Corporation to the space underneath Honouiji Academy.



Ragyo also demonstrates this.



Senketsu confirms that Satsuki herself is what time in her Fiber World flows through, and that time was compressing time according to her will.

 

[Qawsedf234]

For starters, Life Fibers are consistently described as being a higher dimensional species.

They aren't. Transcending space and time by itself tells us nothing, which the FAQ notes:

Q: How do I determine if something is "transcendent"?
A: "Transcendence" is a vague term which can be used in several contexts, many of which do not at all align with how it is normally used in our forums, as it simply means "to go beyond the ordinary", first and foremost. For example, statements of "transcending space and time" can refer to things like time travel, dimensional travel, or even agelessness in some cases. Hence, it is very preferable to ascertain the meaning of statements involving this term from background context (If there is any), being especially careful around flowery language or purple prose.

Now, one of the most common scenarios where this question might arise is when dealing with cosmologies involving "higher planes of existence" or similar structures. In such cases, it's very important to note what exactly being a "higher plane" entails in the context of the setting: For instance, it's very common for Heaven and Hell to be defined as higher and lower planes of existence respectively in relation to the normal universe, in which case, "higher" and "lower" tends to simply indicate their relative position in a cosmology, as opposed to any kind of existential status, which is obviously not enough for anything remotely Tier 1.

Q: What tier is transcending space and time?
A: As said above, "transcending space and time" is a very vague statement by itself and can mean multiple things depending on the context in which it is made, as well as how this characteristic is portrayed in the first place. For example: It is perfectly possible for a statement like transcending space and time to mean that a character is simply "untied" from the universe's spacetime, and is thus unaffected by alterations in the timeline and similar meddlings. Likewise, It's not exactly uncommon for time travel (Or any action / process that affects something through different points in time) to be described as "transcending time and space."

Moreover, it should also be noted that simply existing in some alternate state of existence that lacks time and/or space is not really grounds for any tier in particular, as predating or lacking such things does not translate to being superior to them, and would most often overlap with abilities like Acausality or Nonexistent Physiology. A good example of a case like this is Dormammu (Marvel Cinematic Universe), who is stated to exist in a realm "far beyond time," yet never actually displays any superiority over it, and is in fact vulnerable to time-based abilities due to his timeless nature.

If the statement does specifically refer to superiority, however, then this opens up a wider range of possibilities that requires underlying context to properly tier. If the realm in question is "superior" to spacetime by a matter of physical size, then see here for more detailed information on the matter.

I can get Low 2-C, but nothing provided is Tier 1 evidence.

Aside from the higher d stuff that would already qualify for Immeasurable speed:

Higher D never qualifies for Immeasurable speed

Q: Do higher-dimensional entities automatically get Immeasurable speed?
A: No. To put it simply: Although the presence of the additional axis results in a higher-dimensional space being infinitely larger in comparison to a lower-dimensional one, the numerical values themselves remain unchanged, as a "dimension" is nothing more than a continuum of numbers representing a direction of space. Consequently, the euclidean distance between a Point A and a Point B is always represented by a one-dimensional path (Regardless of the dimension of the space in which they are embedded), whose length is always measurable and given by a generalization of the Pythagorean theorem to n dimensions.

You have to showcase movement through Linear time to qualify.

Ryuko and Satsuki interacted in a timeless void after Satsuki collapsed her timeline.

Timeless Voids give no speed rating.

Dimensions that are timeless voids or are described as beyond spacetime in general would also not qualify. Unless they contradict themselves, these realms should not have a time dimension at all, with change in them happening according to other principles. If they, on the other hand, do contradict themselves, the statement of them not having regular time would inherently not be reliable, making the idea equally unusable.

Timeless Voids
Timeless Voids, i.e. areas within a setting that lack time or exist outside of the flow of time, cannot be used to grant Infinite speed. One might be tempted to apply Speed = Distance/Time and say that time equals 0 in this situation, thus moving through this type of void should result in Infinite speed. However, in a Timeless Void, time does not exist, making Time = Not Applicable.

So in short, Time = Nonexistent or Not Applicable and Distance/Time = Undefined and cannot be determined under these conditions.

The powers look alright I guess.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You have to showcase movement through Linear time to qualify.

Okay so the PLF physically moving through time to pull life Fibers from the past and future would qualify then

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay so the PLF physically moving through time to pull life Fibers from the past and future would qualify then

If it's physically yanking them from the past and future, sure. If it's using its ability to control time to do so, then it's just time manipulation.

 

[Theglassman12]

Where’s the speed feat part of this? You’re just listing off range feats and AP feats. Nothing you posted has anything to do with speed.