Iruna Immortality (Again): Dragon nah Adventurer

[HakutoRei000]

Three CRT without good conclusion lmao.

Immortality Negation (Type 8; capable of killing Dragons, manifestations and embodiments of nature itself whose existence is fundamentally tied to the world and natural system. As embodiments of nature, they cannot be permanently killed so long as their corresponding aspect of nature continues to exist, being capable of returning through reincarnation or resurrection even after losing their physical forms, and can restore themselves from otherwise fatal injuries through the power and energy of nature itself, their existence becomes one with the world itself, allowing them to continue existing even without a physical form)

And immortality for Novierre key Adventurer (Types 5, 7, 8, and 9)

Agree: ActuallySpaceman42 (Staff),
Disagree:

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

I don't think Type 2 works here. Killing by completely destroying someone who can survive fatal injuries isn't Type 2 negation.
The rest seems fine.

 

[HakutoRei000]

I don't think Type 2 works here. Killing by completely destroying someone who can survive fatal injuries isn't Type 2 negation.
The rest seems fine.

Not completely destroying, they can

1. Cut/sever their power to the nature
2. Damaging some part of them that completely killed them.
3. Or just absolutely killing them by just damaging them badly beyond their immortality/durability


be bypassed, for example, by causing extremely severe wounds or the complete destruction of the body or specific parts of it, such as the head, etc.

However I do need explanation on immo 2 negation now.

 

[Thanganimator]

Frankly, associating existence with the abstract should be Abstract Existence Type 2.

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Type 2 and possibly Type 3 negation seem reasonable if the dragons can recover from fatal injuries or regenerate after destruction. Type 4 could also work if they genuinely resurrect/reincarnate after death and the character can permanently prevent that process.

However, I do not think the current explanation is enough for Type 8. Being an “embodiment of nature” or being tied to the world system does not automatically qualify as Type 8 immortality. This would need clearer evidence that their continued existence explicitly depends on an external source/system (such as nature itself continuing to exist), and that they cannot truly die while that source remains.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Type 2 and possibly Type 3 negation seem reasonable if the dragons can recover from fatal injuries or regenerate after destruction. Type 4 could also work if they genuinely resurrect/reincarnate after death and the character can permanently prevent that process.

However, I do not think the current explanation is enough for Type 8. Being an “embodiment of nature” or being tied to the world system does not automatically qualify as Type 8 immortality. This would need clearer evidence that their continued existence explicitly depends on an external source/system (such as nature itself continuing to exist), and that they cannot truly die while that source remains.

Yes, one of the scans exceptlitly said that as long as lava and ground exist they can comeback or as long as the cosmos exist they can "come again".

Now they can either recover via nature (absorbing energy to regenerate), Reincarnate to a new body, or they can just become one with the world to exist without a form, they still have their identity and personality but no physical form.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Frankly, associating existence with the abstract should be Abstract Existence Type 2.

Bruh, I mean they did lose their physical form and merge with the world itself

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not completely destroying, they can

1. Cut/sever their power to the nature
2. Damaging some part of them that completely killed them.
3. Or just absolutely killing them by just damaging them badly beyond their immortality/durability

This would be Immortality Negation for Types 8 & 4, but not the rest.

 

[HakutoRei000]

This would be Immortality Negation for Types 8 & 4, but not the rest.

Type 3 via Regen? As they can recover from destruction from physical form.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Type 3 via Regen? As they can recover from destruction from physical form.

Well, as you listed, they’re either being cut off from whatever allows them to regenerate, being out-damaged, or having a specific part of them damaged. None of that actually stops their regeneration; it just circumvents it.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Well, as you listed, they’re either being cut off from whatever allows them to regenerate, being out-damaged, or having a specific part of them damaged. None of that actually stops their regeneration; it just circumvents it.

That's for type 2, type 3 they have the ability to negate via:

1. Holy sword (it's on their profile)
2. Or God sword (which can possibly kill gods in this verse)

For type 3 they have these weapons that can negate their regeneration.

For type 6 The Adventurer possess ability to negate the dragon ability to become spirit (as seen by the ghost Dragon is extremely hard to kill) as they supposed to exist alongside nature they can always comeback by many ways, however because Adventurer can interact with their nature they can be killed permanently. (EE Soul)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

That's for type 2, type 3 they have the ability to negate via:

1. Holy sword (it's on their profile)
2. Or God sword (which can possibly kill gods in this verse)

For type 3 they have these weapons that can negate their regeneration.

I don't see those on their profile. Can you send the scans?

For type 6 The Adventurer possess ability to negate the dragon ability to become spirit (as seen by the ghost Dragon is extremely hard to kill) as they supposed to exist alongside nature they can always comeback by many ways, however because Adventurer can interact with their nature they can be killed permanently. (EE Soul)

Erasing their Soul doesn't count as Negating Type 6.

 

[HakutoRei000]

I don't see those on their profile. Can you send the scans?


Erasing their Soul doesn't count as Negating Type 6.

I will give scans directly (find on me phone)

How can negate type 6?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

How can negate type 6?

You need a direct statement of stopping them from being able to possess/change bodies, or something like that.

 

[HakutoRei000]

You need a direct statement of stopping them from being able to possess/change bodies, or something like that.

Isn't type 6 like Undead? Oh shit, Mb.

Type 7 is what I meant , Leviam can become a ghost after killed and Adventurer can killed him while in his ghost form to prevent any spiritual existence to exist. (The scan for type 6)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't type 6 like Undead? Oh shit, Mb.

Type 7 is what I meant , Leviam can become a ghost after killed and Adventurer can killed him while in his ghost form to prevent any spiritual existence to exist. (The scan for type 6)

EE would still be a method of overpowering/circumventing the Immortality, stopping them from becoming undead, not really negating their undead state.

 

[HakutoRei000]

EE would still be a method of overpowering/circumventing the Immortality, stopping them from becoming undead, not really negating their undead state.

What about just killing them?.

I have the scans for their weapon wait.

Here:

Excalibur Sword

There's still more I will add them if I find it

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

As long as there's evidence that they're permanently dead, and won't come back later.

 

[HakutoRei000]

As long as there's evidence that they're permanently dead, and won't come back later.

So agree?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So agree?

Is there evidence that they're permanently dead? You can still die with Immortality Type 8 & 4, it just means you will come back at some point. You need proof that the God Weapons or whatever, stop that from happening.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Is there evidence that they're permanently dead? You can still die with Immortality Type 8 & 4, it just means you will come back at some point. You need proof that the God Weapons or whatever, stop that from happening.

Hmm, there's two.

1. They just become one with the world again
2. They become soul (static)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Hmm, there's two.

1. They just become one with the world again

Well, they're already one with the world based on the scans, and that's related to their Immortality.

2. They become soul (static)

That's not evidence that they won't come back to life.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Well, they're already one with the world based on the scans, and that's related to their Immortality.


That's not evidence that they won't come back to life.

Well the last is kind lore/logic?.


In Toram set a hundred years after Iruna all the dragons killed are different of personality and traits (different than the previous dragon), does that count?.

Basically new Dragon entirely but same Nature (Fire Dragon, Wind Dragon, Water Dragon) etc.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

That's still not enough evidence.

You need specific statements, saying either, This Attack/Weapon/Person can stop the Gods/Dragons from coming back to life, or that they are permanently dead.

 

[HakutoRei000]

That's still not enough evidence.

You need specific statements, saying either, This Attack/Weapon/Person can stop the Gods/Dragons from coming back to life, or that they are permanently dead.

It's not specific about Dragons but should help the case overall:

Translate to:
Not only did you prevent it before it could happen, but you even severed the source of calamity that was born in ancient times and had become a threat great enough to potentially shake the entire world, including the Heavenly Realm

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

It's not specific about Dragons but should help the case overall:

Translate to:
Not only did you prevent it before it could happen, but you even severed the source of calamity that was born in ancient times and had become a threat great enough to potentially shake the entire world, including the Heavenly Realm

You need to get this translated on the request forum, but as I mentioned above, this would be Type 8 Negation.

 

[HakutoRei000]

You need to get this translated on the request forum, but as I mentioned above, this would be Type 8 Negation.

What about type 4 and 8 for now? The rest just possible until I get the scans completed?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

What about type 4 and 8 for now? The rest just possible until I get the scans completed?

They only have Type 4 because of Type 8, so severing Type 8 causes the Type 4 to vanish; they aren't directly getting rid of Type 4.

 

[HakutoRei000]

They only have Type 4 because of Type 8, so severing Type 8 causes the Type 4 to vanish; they aren't directly getting rid of Type 4.

For type 4 They can kill them in Dark Domain, which is like the afterlife to prevent their reincarnation what about it?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

For type 4 They can kill them in Dark Domain, which is like the afterlife to prevent their reincarnation what about it?

That's just killing them before they can reincarnate; it's not negating anything.

 

[HakutoRei000]

That's just killing them before they can reincarnate; it's not negating anything.

Man sorry for being stupid and asking multiple times lmao.

Type 8 it is, but I do have another abilities mind waiting???

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Man sorry for being stupid and asking multiple times lmao.

All good

Type 8 it is, but I do have another abilities mind waiting???

Sure

 

[HakutoRei000]

All good

Sure

So The Adventurer would get immortality (idk what type I don't want to get slimed again).

Soul explanation

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:HakutoRei000/SOUL_%F0%9F%98%8F%F0%9F%A5%80%F0%9F%92%94

Scans:

After dying, the Adventurer ascended to Noieverre and became a spiritual existence stated to be neither human nor god, while also attaining “freedom of the body.” They continue to exist despite already having died and are no longer bound by the influence of the Dark Domain, which governs/represents the cycle of life, death, and reincarnation, implying that their existence may no longer be tied to conventional life and death. Additionally, due to the soul-based nature of the setting, where beings are able to continue existing or return so long as the soul itself remains intact, either through reincarnation or potentially restoring themselves directly if sufficiently powerful.

(For soul it's accepted as mid godly on his profile)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

This would be Astral Projection & Immortality Type 5 & 7.

 

[HakutoRei000]

This would be Astral Projection & Immortality Type 5 & 7.

Type 9 no? Their true form exist in Noieveree, their Avatar can be killed no matter what, their existence exist in Noieveree, type 8 via Soul, because as long as one soul exist they can come back on various ways.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Type 9 no? Their true form exist in Noieveree, their Avatar can be killed no matter what, their existence exist in Noieveree, type 8 via Soul, because as long as one soul exist they can come back on various ways.

Their souls aren't constantly in the higher plane, so it wouldn't be Type 9.

 

[HakutoRei000]

Their souls aren't constantly in the higher plane, so it wouldn't be Type 9.

They are, the spirit shown is just an avatar.

Imply that their presence is just an avatar and their souls exist in Novierre, when they talk about spiritual existence it's just their existence descending to the lower realm.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

They are, the spirit shown is just an avatar.

Imply that their presence is just an avatar and their souls exist in Novierre, when they talk about spiritual existence it's just their existence descending to the lower realm.

I was referring to the Adventurer. They're able to ascend and go back down.

 

[HakutoRei000]

I was referring to the Adventurer. They're able to ascend and go back down.

Both actually, they can do that, but even if they "die" they just comeback to Noieveree in their purest form.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Both actually, they can do that, but even if they "die" they just comeback to Noieveree in their purest form.

Yes, I understand that. But if their souls aren't always in Noieveree, then it would be Limited Type 9 at most.