MichaelCalistro
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Goku vs Goku REDUX • (0-3-0)
what huh dude I'm so confused now scaling chain calcs can be quite confusing sometimes, yeah
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BumpI agree. Even though no IP matches have been found and the user themselves claimed to not be a sock, ALEPHGOAT's arguments and behavior as well as the manner of distaste are a stark match for MegaNova Stella/Urshani.
I suppose that we can probably avoid allowing appeals for Aleph then.Bump
I also want to mention what happened after I reported Jinx, because I genuinely think it reflects poorly on her behavior as a user. Last Saturday, Jinx made several edits to profiles without permission, including adding a “Possibly” tag to Monster Squad Frankenstein’s stamina:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Frankenstein's_Monster_(The_Monster_Squad)?curid=4848767&diff=9521665&oldid=8956622
This changes how the statistic works and should have required a CRT, so I reported the edit in the Vandalism Report Thread:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/wiki-vandalism-reports.163273/page-112#post-7729700
This was also not the first time she made unsupported changes to profiles without proper approval, as similar situations already happened recently with pages like Pinocchio and several others.
On the very same day I reported her, Jinx suddenly requested the deletion of one of the pages I created:
https://vsbattles.com/threads/wiki-...thread-new-forum.107528/page-337#post-7732851
The deletion request was later rejected by staff because the reasoning behind it was weak. During the discussion, Jinx said things like:
''Unlucky coincidence for me but now ig you know how it feels'' and “Same with the Youtube Shorts stuff. Its all being discussed, but the wiki has lost the plot on what it allows for pages."
Because of the timing and the way she responded, it honestly came across as a petty and retaliatory reaction to being reported rather than a genuine deletion request.
I replied by saying:
“Just in case, it honestly comes across as if Jinx is asking for a page I created to be deleted after I reported them in the Vandalism Report Thread, even though the justification for the deletion is weak.”
I also think it is worth noting that Lephyr later deleted some of Jinx’s replies in the deletion thread, which admins should still be able to view. I believe those replies are relevant context for understanding the tone and behavior displayed during the situation.
Overall, I think this situation is relevant because, together with the repeated unsupported edits and profile changes, it shows a pattern of emotionally-driven and disruptive behavior whenever her edits are criticized or reported.
It does use the calculation, I made sure of it(There was a recent thread that would put Pokémon speed around the same level as this calculation, but it was made after this edit was done, and it doesn't use this calculation as part of the justification, not that that would change that this was a rule violation).
Ah, that's good to know. I'll edit my post.It does use the calculation, I made sure of it
What would you suggest?I personally think behavior like this is unacceptable, no matter how it even got to this. Regardless of whether or not the edits are sound, a CRT is still needed until the "Self-Evident Revisions" thread is inevitably made to resolve this.
She went in active defiance of said rule against two staff who told her to cut the shit and she couldn't even be bothered to wait. I believe a punishment of some kind is absolutely warranted here at this point.
At least a month. Maybe 3 if that's too lenient.What would you suggest?
The problem is not just the coincidence claim, it’s the timing and the way you responded afterward.Nothing was retaliatory. I have no idea what my 'words' are implying other than the irony that someone can feel targeted over that.
It was an unlucky coincidence i stumbled across the Old Evil Wizard page with the Random Page button i was using (I have been doing this for days), which i had NO idea was made by this person. I've been very vocal prior on how i feel about pages for Youtube Short skits and Tiktok greenscreen skits, and I never check whose actually made a poor quality page when i suggest it for deletion.
I still think the wiki shouldnt be allowing low-effort pages for characters/verses like this, just because the Youtube Short/TikTok algorithms can give you millions of views for free. The standards for what is allowed when theres an entire Joke Battles Wiki made for this stuff is far too stretched.
Either way theres nothing to actually prove who is right in this scenario, so kindly dont try and make facts out of how you perceive my 'emotions'. I could very much say the same for you constantly feeling the need to tattle and report me over complete nothings, which I perceive as petty.
You quite literally tried to push a 3 year ban on me over minor stuff, which you got completely wrong, and i wouldnt exactly call your own behaviour and way you speak to people acceptable either. I've found you are frequently rude and aggressive while holding a staff position. I don't trust your input here isnt 100% impartial in itself if this ban is being factored for how much pushback i give.I personally think behavior like this is unacceptable, no matter how it even got to this. Regardless of whether or not the edits are sound, a CRT is still needed until the "Self-Evident Revisions" thread is inevitably made to resolve this.
She went in active defiance of said rule against two staff who told her to cut the shit and she couldn't even be bothered to wait. I believe a punishment of some kind is absolutely warranted here at this point.
Yeah, i dont respond kindly to people getting on my ass and trying to relight the fire in regards to all this. Lets not forget how absolutely minor these edits are, and most of them i either have a basis for or simply misunderstood. As much as its technically against the rules, theres 0 reason that the edits to the pages would create such a personal vendetta like this.The problem is not just the coincidence claim, it’s the timing and the way you responded afterward.
Well yeah, cause i hope you do know how it feels. You've been consistently reporting and trying to stir tension over minor things. Most of which, i just didnt know the proper standard for (like how adding 'Possibly' counts as a stat change). And now its come down to this. I don't spare you any sympathy in that regard because you've been making me feel that way for ages, and are now stalking my every edit.Saying things like “now you know how it feels” naturally makes it come across as personal and retaliatory, even if you say it wasn’t. That’s why SomebodyData also got that impression.
No, it wouldnt be. Theres 0 logical conclusion to be made there. This is all a base of assumption and likewise, the more you keep going on about it in these types of threads and antagonizing, the more i believe you're retaliating back.If it was really just a normal deletion request, there was no reason to make comments like that in the first place.
I think you’re mixing things up a bit.You quite literally tried to push a 3 year ban on me over minor stuff, which you got completely wrong, and i wouldnt exactly call your own behaviour and way you speak to people acceptable either. I've found you are frequently rude and aggressive while holding a staff position. I don't trust your input here isnt 100% impartial in itself if this ban is being factored for how much pushback i give.
Yeah, i dont respond kindly to people getting on my ass and trying to relight the fire in regards to all this. Lets not forget how absolutely minor these edits are, and most of them i either have a basis for or simply misunderstood. As much as its technically against the rules, theres 0 reason that the edits to the pages would create such a personal vendetta like this.
You can't expect me to be civil when you repetedly keep trying to report me over minor stuff, even bringing this up days later when it was over. You clearly only want one result from this yourself.
That does not mean i purposefully planned and did this, and then rehearsed some incriminating line to say. It was genuinely a coincidence, and I still don't believe its a suitable character for the wiki nonetheless
Well yeah, cause i hope you do know how it feels. You've been consistently reporting and trying to stir tension over minor things. Most of which, i just didnt know the proper standard for (like how adding 'Possibly' counts as a stat change). And now its come down to this. I don't spare you any sympathy in that regard because you've been making me feel that way for ages, and are now stalking my every edit.
You ALSO claimed that it was retaliation when i actually MADE a CRT (like im supposed to) to an issue i wanted to edit and fix in the wiki, making some comment like 'you're only doing this cause u got reported for it'. And btw i didnt even change the Infinite part of the stat on that frankenstein page even though i blatantly disagree and am making a CRT to change. So clearly you aren't comprehending that I actually think these are active issues with the wiki over just trying to piss you off. I can't win.
No, it wouldnt be. Theres 0 logical conclusion to be made there. This is all a base of assumption and likewise, the more you keep going on about it in these types of threads and antagonizing, the more i believe you're retaliating back.
Believe it or not, i dont wanna be here or engaging with anything like this. So whatever makes you think i would actively and blatantly do this and give you any reason to jump on me for it is beyond me. This is why i call it an 'unlucky coincidence',.
. I frequently report the many many outdated pages, or the ones that slip through the cracks which I believe (and still believe tbh) this page i came across was. Its a character from a youtube shorts skit and no real established verse. I didn't know it was yours, and either way you cant prove conclusively if i did so what exactly is the push still about?
Well you are doing that, intentionally or not. This is three reports over complete nothings and huge presumptions, days apart and after the fact mind you. Now you're trying to play something, that you cant prove, against me to restart the entire conversation again.This isn’t about “getting on your ass” or restarting anything. The only reason your edits were brought up is because they didn’t really seem to match the rules of the site.
I mean it isnt objectively. Theres a mix of edits here but theyre either miniscule, glossed over, or just misunderstandings. The Additional Limbs one for example, is me holding a CRT that i made and passed and continuing to apply the results of it to VERY evident cases. Making a CRT just to add that to a character who quite clearly has a set of extra limbs in their main image, and was made before the power was a thing, is trying to make progress as difficult as possible on here.Whether they feel minor or not doesn’t really change much; if something affects how pages or stats are handled, it’s still worth talking about. Even some staff members agreed that certain changes would normally need a CRT, which is why it got brought up in the first place.
The edits arent even an issue in the first place. Even when they're 'breaking the rules', theyre completely inoffensive in themself and you've got no reason to be this personally invested in trying to take me down over them.I’m not targeting you. The issue is the edits, not you.
Okay and yet you're here trying to paint it as if i reported the page solely to spite you, but claim that any of your past confrontations of me dont factor in? I could make the very same claims on this basis.The Sofia the First stuff and the other examples you mentioned don’t really reflect what actually happened, and they don’t change what we’re talking about here.
You're quite literally going off some unbacked theory on my personal character, commenting on my 'emotional-level' over something thats a complete coincidence days later. The fact you are still on this when the page didnt even get deleted is showings otherwise of what you're saying.And I don’t agree with the retaliation idea. Bringing something to staff for clarification isn’t the same as trying to provoke you or get back at you.
I think you’re framing this as something more personal than it actually is.Well you are doing that, intentionally or not. This is three reports over complete nothings and huge presumptions, days apart and after the fact mind you. Now you're trying to play something, that you cant prove, against me to restart the entire conversation again.
I mean it isnt objectively. Theres a mix of edits here but theyre either miniscule, glossed over, or just misunderstandings. The Additional Limbs one for example, is me holding a CRT that i made and passed and continuing to apply the results of it to VERY evident cases. Making a CRT just to add that to a character who quite clearly has a set of extra limbs in their main image, and was made before the power was a thing, is trying to make my progress as difficult as possible on here.
If anything, it wastes staff time to constantly have to tattle on inoffensive edits. And you're doing it with knowledge that its going to annoy me, and are now trying to play my annoyance up as something unjustified.
I made a CRT like you've all been begging about the Infinite Stamina issue on this wiki. I know what CRTS are. This Frankenstein edit i did was not even a stat change (despite how it should be) which isnt what the CRT is even about. And instead i get not only a response completely disregarding what im saying in the OP, but accusing me of just making it because of a 'report'. You clearly dont respect my own thoughts and feelings about ordeals on this wiki, and are continually trying to act as if im now editing this wiki spite you.
The edits arent even an issue in the first place. Even when they're 'breaking the rules', theyre completely inoffensive in themself and you've got no reason to be this personally invested in trying to take me down over them.
You're also completely ignoring that a lot of these are just misunderstandings on my end, like the Possibly thing, yet you're still trying to paint it as if i did it completely aware it was against the rules. So yeah, i take issue with that and i dont suspect your intentions are 100% pure. But i cant prove that either so im not gonna try and push against it.
Okay and yet you're here trying to paint it as if i reported the page solely to spite you, but claim that any of your past confrontations of me dont factor in? I could make the very same claims on this basis.
You're quite literally going off some unbacked theory on my personal character, commenting on my 'emotional-level' over something thats a complete coincidence days later. The fact you are still on this when the page didnt even get deleted is showings otherwise of what you're saying.
How about from now on we just ignore eachother, with the actual forum function cause I don't want to have to be getting this worked up over nothing. Its the very essence of the kid reminding the teacher of the homework', only completely misinterpreting the nature of the edits instead. Meanwhile other users frantically trying to jump at the opportunity over personal feelings against me. .
Exactly what you've been doing here though. I didnt ask for your profile to be deleted to spite you. I genuinely just think its worth deleting and the content its from shouldn't have page representation for this wiki. Regardless of the fact i didnt even know it was your page?? You literally ragged on me before for not checking who the page maker is when i request a deletion, but now apparently i knew it was you and was doing it in retaliation?I think you’re framing this as something more personal than it actually is.
From you, and over super minor stuff. The need to tattle about it in itself and continually fuel the fire is what got it to this point. I dont help, but i'm not backing down when people try and pin/accuse me of something im genuinely not doing or meaningI only raise issues when edits don’t seem to follow the rules; that's the only reason anything gets brought up. If your edits were mentioned multiple times in a short period, it’s simply because multiple separate edits raised concerns, not because anyone is targeting you or trying to go after you.
You ar every much also to blame for the frequency and willingness to continue on with this, especially when this was over days ago and you felt the need to make a report over some assumption. Unluckily for me, it is a huge coincidence and now i gotta deal with it.I’ve reported other users before for similar issues and none of them took it as something personal, so this is the first time someone has framed it as retaliation or revenge.
I mean i got a lot more thoughts on that but I still would love if you stopped trying to engage with me from now on. I dont make serious vandalising edits.At the end of the day, this isn’t about intent, spite, or personal conflict on either side. It’s just about whether edits follow the guidelines, and that’s exactly what staff evaluates.
No, it's not.Is this back and forth supposed to be happening in the RVR?
So am I.I am in agreement with Reiner and RandomHelper.
Ditto.So am I.![]()
IMO, I think it was highly inappropriate to publicly bring up names of controversial political figures out of the blue, though I do emphasize with those criticisms. I also despise pretty much every politician in the US government, but this isn't the place to talk about it. That being said, Slav's provocative comments are obviously much worse.I think that the following member is trolling me with malicious intentions, but I leave it to other staff members to evaluate, since I am directly involved.