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The Boys discussion thread

NikHelton said:
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Most of these are faulty examples, but I digress. You fail to mention that Homelander was beefing with a baby in Season 1 and was still attached to Stillwell because of his mommy issues. Given that the last time I watched Season 1 was in 2021, I can still remember key things, but despite how much I disagree with you, I am overdue for a rewatch. So we can agree to disagree for the time being.
 
Lonkitt said:
No, he's definitely ass. Like I said above, he's absolutely putting all of his stonks in sheer power. The Boys doesn't really have legit skill feats, at least not for the supes (hell not even for Soulja Boy)

Furthermore, when depowered, Butcher casually caught his punch and wailed on him. If Homelander had at least some measure of skill, then he would've put up more of a fight

This shouldn't be surprising, the show has been consistent with the idea of "without his powers, he's nothing"
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Butcher should be the only one with actual good h2h,and probably the best in the verse.
He is a trained FBI agent.
 
By the way, the ending of the episode is also very strange. Annie managed to wet herself and vomit twice while Hughie was shopping, and then she flies off to stop the criminals. Wait, what?

And despite her impenetrable skin, the baby in her womb is vulnerable to blows, since it's not even super-powered.
Why the hell are these two so calm about committing a robbery?

One shot from a Winchester to her stomach and the story becomes a tragedy. Very stupid.
 
GunshyFever said:
Most of these are faulty examples, but I digress. You fail to mention that Homelander was beefing with a baby in Season 1 and was still attached to Stillwell because of his mommy issues. Given that the last time I watched Season 1 was in 2021, I can still remember key things, but despite how much I disagree with you, I am overdue for a rewatch. So we can agree to disagree for the time being.
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The fact that, despite all the things I've listed, Homelander was competing with the baby for Madeline's attention makes my point.
He was already pretty pathetic in the first season, but he wasn't a clown. He was multifaceted.
The same can't be said of him from seasons 3 to 5.
 
Homelander is a really big disappointment, unfortunately.

Somewhere down the line, I think the team just leaned a little too into him being the Trump symbol guy.

He regressed in intelligence, regressed in aura, and just overall hasn't had the same weight he had back in Seasons 1-3 (also that one episode where he killed the scientists who made him was actually pretty good). Even though the acting remained impeccable, it got a little too comical for me, personally.

Especially in Season 4-5, it was just so, so, so over the top. Kinda funny how much he did align with Trump, but him being Trump was never really a highlight of the character for me---not at all. Its always been about the parts of Homelander that are unique. How he was tortured as a kid and psychologically manipulated into being how he is. Why he for some reason has an obsession with milk. And the journey he had from season 1, progressively going more insane as characters died, his son came, betrayed him, then supported him, then betrayed him again, ETC. I feel like at a point, they sort of forgot that Homelander was supposed to be the main antagonist of the Boys, the fictional series, and not a stand-in for a real-life personality. Yes, the show is a political satire. But it gets to a point where its so comical that you can't really take it seriously. IMO.

I think something that sort of highlights how I feel, is the fact that they removed one of the scenes that further explained Homelander's backstory back in Season 4 I believe? One where he is hugged by a fake mother (one of many) who teaches him elementary things about the world. It is a really good scene, that for some reason got cut. It feels like the show writers didn't treat him like a character in the story the way I would've expected...

Also, to top it all off, he never does anything that justifies why he is such a big threat. He's basically just repeatedly said to be the strongest. The peak of supes. But everything he does is so small. He just never got the chance to shine as much as I wished he would've. Idk if that was on purpose or what, but especially in these later seasons, they really made him feel WEAK. And that isn't really a good thing IMO.

Even in this ending, they basically just nerfed him into the ground after he got the 10x stronger version of V? Seriously man? Also, he's just randomly weak to Uranium...? Something that is not even relevant after Soldier Boy.

BTW, Soldier Boy, the guy who took half the season and then dipped without even showing up for the finale. CRIMINAL.
 
NikHelton said:
The fact that, despite all the things I've listed, Homelander was competing with the baby for Madeline's attention makes my point.
He was already pretty pathetic in the first season, but he wasn't a clown. He was multifaceted.
The same can't be said of him from seasons 3 to 5.
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Dude, he was not a clown before because he had his strength. Season 3 was when he first got his ass handed to him in a real fight, while also trying to recruit his own father, who calls him a "weak, snivelling *****, starved for attention". In Season 4, he was at the edge and about to lose everything, and in Season 5, he actually lost his own identity, his strength.

Homelander is a clown, and he was always pathetic. You are just intrigued because he was the strongest and gained control by fear, similar to Napoleon in Animal Farm, who was also a coward mind you. Your inaccurate judgement of Homelanders characterization isn't the writers fault.
 
Spinoirr said:
Welp. Time to finish my OC's profile now that the series is over (Still keeping my idea for my AU ending tho)
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Speaking of fan made stuff, I honestly wanted to try a hand at a fan novelisation probably on some fanfic site. Who knows if I will, but y'know.
 
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Homelander meets the one being who may be more egotistical than he...

Should be fun. Rules Battle takes place in front of the White House starting 5 meters away Speed is Equalized Both are 8-A Billy Butcher is watching in a lawn chair with popcorn and a stiff drink. But he'll have been teleported there. Homelander had to listen to Nekaph list off all of Settra's...
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I thought this would be funny
 
Talking about about scaling specifically.

Homelander, Soldier Boy, Butcher (V24 and Tumor), and Bombsight are all basically neck and neck. I don't see them as being all that different from one another, with V24 Butcher being the least durable and Bombsight being the most durable. A-Train and Homelander are very close in speed, which is Supersonic and no higher. I'm not sure where this sentiment that there was a ton of solid evidence for either being consistently higher. The Diabolical explosion stands alone, as does the Stillwell save. There are thematic elements to the scaling, but so little solidity to anything that truly supports either of those, by comparison, high tier feats. Starlight could draw blood from the Deep in S4. We've known her blasts could outdo her physicals. Ryan is actually able to affect Homelander when he can land a hit (farewell future Superman). There are a ton of problems, but we now know everything is still the same low grade stuff it's always been.
 
Reyne said:
Talking about about scaling specifically.

Homelander, Soldier Boy, Butcher (V24 and Tumor), and Bombsight are all basically neck and neck. I don't see them as being all that different from one another, with V24 Butcher being the least durable and Bombsight being the most durable. A-Train and Homelander are very close in speed, which is Supersonic and no higher. I'm not sure where this sentiment that there was a ton of solid evidence for either being consistently higher. The Diabolical explosion stands alone, as does the Stillwell save. There are thematic elements to the scaling, but is so little solidity to anything that truly supports either of those, by comparison, high tier feats. Starlight could draw blood from the Deep in S4. We've known her blasts could outdo her physicals. Ryan is actually able to affect Homelander when he can land a hit (farewell future Superman). There are a ton of problems, but we now know everything is still the same low grade stuff it's always been.
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In terms of offense it'd probably Be Homelander>Soldier Boy=>Butcher>Bombsight.

Then Butcher and Bombsight trade places for durability.
 
Reyne said:
The Diabolical explosion stands alone, as does the Stillwell save. There are thematic elements to the scaling, but is so little solidity to anything that truly supports either of those, by comparison, high tier feats.
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I'm confused, what exactly do you mean here? Do you believe those are outliers?
 
DaReaperMan said:
In terms of offense it'd probably Be Homelander>Soldier Boy=>Butcher>Bombsight.

Then Butcher and Bombsight trade places for durability.
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I'm going with Butcher bleeding a fair bit from both Homelander and Soldier Boy, while Bombsight is a stonewall.

EDIT: Oh, wait, you may have been referring to Tumor Butcher. I go neigh on him being hardier because he's been tossed around throughout the season. Bombsight has so little going for or against him, so his durability benefits from that. Of course, Vought Rising is highly likely to change things.
 
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Reyne said:
I'm not sure where this sentiment that there was a ton of solid evidence for either being consistently higher
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The Boys has got a lot of anti-feats + evidence for characters being much slower than where they're currently placed in terms of combat speed and reactions

Mfs should peak at Subsonic combat speed wise
 
NikHelton said:
He was already pretty pathetic in the first season, but he wasn't a clown. He was multifaceted.
The same can't be said of him from seasons 3 to 5.
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you are fighting a losing battle my guy, it took a mid season and an even worse finale for people to finally start waking up to a show thats been going downhill for years— you arent gonna get a crowd who only sees homelander as an object to direct their irl problems regarding the current state of american politics, to actually understand how much worse as a character he’s gotten over the years; and not worse as in “more heinous, more evil” but worse as in, “people started liking him so we have to make him as goofy, weak, and as stupid as possible, while constantly dangling ‘he’s gonna snap guys i swear’, even though it never happens.” because like someone else on this thread basically said, its more important to shine light on the big bad meanieheads in the world like ‘ohmlanda, than it is to write a good motherf’ing villain at the end of the day

muzan and yoru might have just been dethroned ngl, homelander is deadass the biggest fraud in fiction (yes, fiction, this is not real)

but maybe this is what clara would’ve wanted, maybe this was all apart of sister sage’s plan 🙏
 
Lonkitt said:
Fraudlander and those who scale to him are likely sticking to Tier 8 I reckon (somewhere around there, Tier 8's where they peak regardless), but tbh, everyone else should be moved down to Tier 9
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I'd say HL staying at 8-B is the most reasonable, is the possibly 8-A from neutron bomb scaling even legit though?

As for the mid tiers 9-A is aight ig 8-C Lamplighter scaling is iffy af
 
Omegas03 said:
I'd say HL staying at 8-B is the most reasonable, is the possibly 8-A from neutron bomb scaling even legit though?

As for the mid tiers 9-A is aight ig 8-C Lamplighter scaling is iffy af
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The neutron bomb scaling has never been legit, and Season 5 has only reinforced the unreliability of taking that statement literally given Fraudlander's weakness
 
NikHelton said:
No, Kripke is simply a talentless idiot who's been making jokes about farts, asses, shit, and memes for the past few seasons.
He has absolutely no idea when jokes are appropriate and when they're not.

Not to mention that he ruined one of the greatest antagonists in media, turning him from a terrifying, manipulative psychopath into a cartoonish jerk who was humiliated by every character he encountered in Season 5. Instead of a bold satire of superhero satire, we got a toothless attempt to ridicule a certain segment of society and one specific individual.
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It's things like this that make me think some of you have severe memory loss or are just pretending Homelander wasn't cartoonish and pathetic. Back in season 1 he was jealous of a baby, and for the most part, back then, as Edgar said, he had far more people in charge of cleaning up his poor decisions.
 
Omegas03 said:
I'd say he should get a key for the 8th Episode and be done with it like Maeve did for end season 3
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Maeve's is for basically all of season 3, after her training, we have 0 explained reason for Butcher to get stronger from season 4 to 5
 
E1iminxtion said:
idk man i watched the fight deep was ragdolling her until a-train showed up, she even kicked him in the nuts and he just shrugged it off; and in this fight deep was basically gone— no friends, no purpose, and the situation that started allat is right in front of him.

he lowkey shouldve won on paper, but i knew that wasnt happening
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Why does everyone conveniently ignore that she was going through a mental thing in her first fight with deep?? Like she literally had no powers. She’s more powerful than her is, her first fight with him was just canonically when she was weakened
 
Queen_Dasania said:
Why does everyone conveniently ignore that she was going through a mental thing in her first fight with deep?? Like she literally had no powers. She’s more powerful than her is, her first fight with him was just canonically when she was weakened
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So you admit that Starlight is holding an L to The Deep?
 
Xaropadob3ta said:
Yes!
I mean, Billy's managing to grab him while he's flying, lol.
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Now prove it was at top speed. In that specific scene. Yes, trying to run away is insufficient proof.

Good luck, because this ain't a book where it has to be described to you.
 
DaReaperMan said:
Now prove it was at top speed. In that specific scene. Yes, trying to run away is insufficient proof.

Good luck, because this ain't a book where it has to be described to you.
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He's fleeing a conflict, so obviously he's not going to be doing it at low speeds.
 
Comic book verses aren’t ready for acceleration to be a consistent factor to assume, it massacres travel feats except for running speedsters and shifts the meta to characters who can dodge fast shit within meelee range.
 
Xaropadob3ta said:
He's fleeing a conflict, so obviously he's not going to be doing it at low speeds.
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That's not proof, ergo, we cannot assume he was moving at full speeds

The crew isn't gonna be scaling to MHS for combat speed
 
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