The Boys discussion thread

[NikHelton]

What's the difference between throwing him at 1km high the rest of the 100km's, and throwing him from the ground? Even if you assume it was a couple of km, at that speed, it would still be a good feat.

I mean he could have just thrown it up and thought it went into space.

 

[DarkLock92]

It's really funny to me that the YouTube community thought that Homelander solo no diff his verse after he took V-1, but in fact we see that he became 10 times weaker and now he can't cut Kimiko with a laser like he did in episode 1, and she also reacts to him

Seems more like she got stronger after the experiment, especially since we're told that supes can grow stronger under pressure

 

[Comiphorous]

Why doesn't anyone suggest that Homelander flew a couple of kilometers and just threw it high into the air?

Because that's a bunch of speculation. The default assumption is that he did exactly what he said without adding any other steps to the event he never even said he did.

 

[Reiner04]

I mean he could have just thrown it up and thought it went into space.

He took him to space in his own words. Besides, there was no indication of throwing, we clearly see him taking the guy with him, if he wanted to throw, he would have done it on ground.

 

[Voidnether]

How Mach 3 Homelander looks like to the entire verse

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I mean he could have just thrown it up and thought it went into space.

"I took him to space" sounds a bit more personal but I suppsoe

 

[Tapkmiz]

This actually isn't true btw, homelander never takes off inside of a building being able to neatly fly out without crashing, he almost always walks outdoors to fly first so he's not just busting through the ceiling otherwise when he goes need to escape quickly he just burst through the building without caring to go outside first, he never is in any position where he needs to point dodge weave or react on a dime to something highly mobile while flying.

There are many reasons why someone might not want to crash through a building every time they to piss off from a given situation. Do you break down your door every time you leave your apartment or house, or do you open it? Do you crash your car through a wall every time you park, or do you open the garage door first? This is so removed from my actual point I don't know where you're going.

My point was about control. The Homelander flies by moving his body, and he accelerates to top speeds in negligible amounts of time. That requires the ability to actually be capable of controlling your body in flight, and with it the ability to react at such speeds.

The one instance is with A-Train and its not even fully a 1:1 reaction speed feat since he's already flying at a relative speed whilst just plowing through obstacles taking a shorter path otherwise though we've never seen homelander at flying top speed actually having to react to anything or made on thr fly manuevers

He does, in fact, make a sharp turn while chasing A-Train, accellerating to the same speed he was going in a negligible amount of time.

 

[Da3ggman]

You can't genuinely expect me to know a re-calc that's not in a thread and not in the profiles. I'd have to assume the calc we have is wrong for me to actively go and research a replacement. You can't blame that on me.

Fair, that’s my bad, got a little heated there. My apologies.

Fine, Mach 3 works. Is that not a valid feat? It's consistent with A-Train.

It is, and he’s faster than Homelander.

I forgot the magic bone in my shoulder that makes the speed of my legs two order of magnitudes slower than their usual self.

Dude, the entire body is connected. Ask any sprinter and they’ll tell if you if any part of their body is hurt or injured that can dramatically decrease their performance. And that’s just talking about things like feeling or slight sprains. A Train had a chunk of his shoulder burnt off and crisped, that is a perfectly logical reason as to why he is slower than before. Also, you use your arms to run, they aid in stability and being able to boost your pace. Considering he had his shoulder scorched, that’s gonna hurt his ability to do that by a lot, even if he’s trying to power through the pain.

The blitz is PIS, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

I don’t think it is, actually. The feat itself might be an outlier but it still shows what the writers think of the difference between Homelander and A Train, that being A Train is still leagues faster when healthy.

Don't use it. A-Train and Homie are relative in speed.

Considering what we see onscreen and showrunners statements, I simply disagree.

Those disparities come from inconsistencies in writing, because we have also plenty amounts of evidence of flight speed not being a whole blitz tier above combat.

Yeah idk about that one, there are plenty of times where characters completely failing to react to someone slamming into them via flight whenever they can react just fine to normal punches.

Poor guy is really banking on that nothing burger of an injury to make A-Train crippled.

Again, having part of your shoulder burnt off isn’t a “nothing burger”, it would logically severely dampen his abilities.

Bro even smuggled in an entire headcanon as a rebuttal. "Slowed down", weren't you using the author's words which imply he was trying to run away?

Those two don’t contradict each other. He slows down to lead Homelander away, and then speeds up to escape eventually. I will however concede that it is headcanon, so I’ll refrain from using it any further.

Really condescending for a guy being proven wrong. Homelander is faster than A-Train in-universe via the same confirmed speeds.

The only confirmed speeds we have are from A Train whenever his heart is dying from being hooked on V for years. And no, him taking V wouldn’t necessarily make up that gap between him healthy vs not; if you take a shriveled addict and hook them on steroids, they might be stronger than they’d be normally, but they probably wont be as strong as they would be if they were a healthy weightlifter.

(I know it’s not exactly a perfect match to the situation but you get the idea)

 

[KLOL506]

I mean he could have just thrown it up and thought it went into space.

I'm NGL but this feels like shoving headcanon where it don't fit.

Occam's Razor would automatically suggest Homelander personally take him there, especially considering his own statements of having flown to space before and how he wants to make it personal with people he despises.

 

[AguilaR202]

It doesn’t matter, it’s all flight speed with acceleration with hard anti feats of character NOT being able to meaningfully react at those speeds, A train dying because he couldn’t shift his trajectory from a woman in his path without crashing already makes his peak around 1/12s his travel speeds and that’s just barely,
Mr marathon kills everyone because his ass can’t react to his own short burst speeds.

 

[NikHelton]

Seems more like she got stronger after the experiment, especially since we're told that supes can grow stronger under pressure

No, she still takes damage from bullets. Homelander just got weaker due to the script.

 

[Phirse]

It's just clear that Homelander has higher LS than Soldier Boy, while they're both comparable in AP. It's similar to how Soldier Boy is superior to Bombsight in LS but comparable in AP.

What does LS mean

 

[KLOL506]

It doesn’t matter, it’s all flight speed with acceleration with hard anti feats of character NOT being able to meaningfully react at those speeds, A train dying because he couldn’t shift his trajectory from a woman in his path already makes his peak around 1/12s his travel speeds and that’s just barely,
Mr marathon kills everyone because his ass can’t react to his own short burst speeds.

Not talking about whether it scales to combat speeds or not. Just on the legitimacy of the speed feat itself.

 

[Da3ggman]

What does LS mean

Lifting Strength

 

[Da3ggman]

Anyways regardless of my position on MHS, the feat itself is likely real in ngl, like let’s nit get spindly specific here. He says he took him to space, probably means he took him to space.

 

[NikHelton]

The shit-eating and dick-sucking references were definitely unnecessary and are Kripke's essential fantasies about Trump. Seriously, this is such forced fanservice that it's not even funny.
Just like the Frenchman's shameful funeral, where he mentioned the anus 10 times in his will. Eric seems to think men's asses are the epitome of humor.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The shit-eating and dick-sucking references were definitely unnecessary and are Kripke's essential fantasies about Trump. Seriously, this is such forced fanservice that it's not even funny.
Just like the Frenchman's shameful funeral, where he mentioned the anus 10 times in his will. Eric seems to think men's asses are the epitome of humor.

Homelander is clearly a bisexual icon what are you talking about?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Dude, the entire body is connected

You can't be genuinely using this argument. You can argue A-Train is not 100%, you can't argue A-Train is 0.000001% and that the blitz scene is still consistent with it all. Because it's not.

At the very least, admit HL's laser beams are relative to his flight speed, or faster, and that due to statements of HL's own flight speed, the fact A-Train saw them in slow motion is a huge PIS.

I don’t think it is, actually. The feat itself might be an outlier but it still shows what the writers think of the difference between Homelander and A Train, that being A Train is still leagues faster when healthy.

We genuinely won't get anywhere speculating what writers think.

Could I not use the flight speed number (which is slower than the laser) to suggest the opposite?

Or could I not suggest that they just wanted a cool quicksilver scene?

Personally, I think that trying to speculate on the creators’ intentions or thoughts behind a single scene just trivialises the whole discussion we’re having here. Especially since The Boys is a series with so many different minds and writers that the contradictions in characterisation are obvious.

Considering what we see onscreen and showrunners statements, I simply disagree.

You gotta admit we also have things onscreen also corroborate my point, and that the show is just inconsistent.

Yeah idk about that one, there are plenty of times where characters completely failing to react to someone slamming into them via flight whenever they can react just fine to normal punches.

I think the last point also applies here.

Again, having part of your shoulder burnt off isn’t a “nothing burger”, it would logically severely dampen his abilities.

The severely is doing major heavy lifting.

Those two don’t contradict each other. He slows down to lead Homelander away, and then speeds up to escape eventually. I will however concede that it is headcanon, so I’ll refrain from using it any further.

The only confirmed speeds we have are from A Train whenever his heart is dying from being hooked on V for years. And no, him taking V wouldn’t necessarily make up that gap between him healthy vs not; if you take a shriveled addict and hook them on steroids, they might be stronger than they’d be normally, but they probably wont be as strong as they would be if they were a healthy weightlifter.

(I know it’s not exactly a perfect match to the situation but you get the idea)

The 372m/s units is him using steroids to catch up to a guy who was faster than his normal self's top record.

I'm saying relying 100% on statements is beyond silly, btw.

If we want to reach a conclusion, let's put Homelander at Mach 3, and say A-Train is at least Mach 3.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

 

[Tapkmiz]

Obviously it would affect running mechanics greatly but people (and animals; I'm sure everyone's seen at least one severely wounded animal manage to escape running on fumes in the nature channel) can do crazy stuff while under more crippling injuries. Maximal squats with torn quadriceps tendons, so on and so forth. I don't think A-Train would be made orders of magnitude slower by this, especially when supes are obviously tougher than us and the Homelander wasn't giving him chase for a particularly long period of time.

 

[Phirse]

Him going to space in 2 seconds was off screen and a statement! Like are u serious? He probably just killed him and made a witty joke about him being an astronaut lmao.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I say that Billy Butcher really should have pulled out a gun and shot Homelander in the dick before John died

 

[AguilaR202]

But that’s the problem, A trains whole feat is a very blatant blitz of homelander in both movement (eye beams) and reaction, his ass didn’t even initially register what had happened, this should’ve never happened if Homelander had reactions on that level from the get go, ( or are going to assume he can lower his own perceptions ffs) the fact an injury happens and only then Homelander is managing to keep up is literally the only valid interpretation for that scene.

 

[E1iminxtion]

Just like the Frenchman's shameful funeral, where he mentioned the anus 10 times in his will. Eric seems to think men's asses are the epitome of humor.

i legit screamed out "enough" because they just kept pushing it. everyone in this show deadass has an obsession with buttholes. they genuinely think "dark humor" is just making references to anuses, poop, and an*l seggs over and over

 

[DaReaperMan]

i legit screamed out "enough" because they just kept pushing it. everyone in this show deadass has an obsession with buttholes. they genuinely think "dark humor" is just making references to anuses, poop, and an*l seggs over and over

Dark humor is cutting a man's **** & balls in half then telling him he can dissapoint two women at once

 

[Antvasima]

A bit of information from the showrunner.

The Boys Showrunner on Finale Impact on "Vought Rising," Gen V Future

The Boys' Eric Kripke discusses the finale, how it could impact "Vought Rising"/Soldier Boy and the Gen V cast moving forward, and more.

bleedingcool.com

 

[LandonTheGuy]

There are actually a few instances of the cast not being able to react to their own travel feats, but besides that, we literally have so many anti-feats and narrative moments that contradict the MHS shit that it’s diabolical.

say that again...

 

[Slav]

I'm NGL but this feels like shoving headcanon where it don't fit.

Occam's Razor would automatically suggest Homelander personally take him there, especially considering his own statements of having flown to space before and how he wants to make it personal with people he despises.

occams razor is cool and all but if the interpretation of homelanders statements doesnt hold up and is contradictory we can assume its wrong. the guy who kept lying hes a god and all powerful may have exaggerated too

 

[Omegas03]

so

How does Butcher suddenly go toe to toe with Homelander? He avoided getting in a 1v1 with him and Soldier Boy the whole season, and got tossed away by Bombsight easily. Ryan got his butt kicked earlier in the season too.

It's like Homelander got nerfed for plot convenience lol he got out of a way worse situation in Herogasm.

(The dick sucking joke was really not needed btw).

 

[Omegas03]

and btw, I'd say Homelander should just get HS flight+laser speed and somewhere between Subsonic and Supersonic reaction speed for most of the cast.

 

[DaReaperMan]

so

How does Butcher suddenly go toe to toe with Homelander? He avoided getting in a 1v1 with him and Soldier Boy the whole season, and got tossed away by Bombsight easily. Ryan got his butt kicked earlier in the season too.

It's like Homelander got nerfed for plot convenience lol he got out of a way worse situation in Herogasm.

(The dick sucking joke was really not needed btw).

Clearly you didn't realize that he's super skilled and shit

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

They really shouldn't have killed either of the Black Noir's before the final because Homelander's team felt really weak

It was just him, Oh-Father (Who was introduced only this season), and The Deep (Who is the most pathetic man in the universe). Starlight basically gets removed from the final fight to deal with The Deep and Oh-Father is dealt with pretty quickly.

Oh-Father was cool, one of the best aspects of this season, but I just don't have any real attachment to him. He's not exactly a foe that The Boy have had to deal with for long.

 

[Antvasima]

Dark humor is cutting a man's **** & balls in half then telling him he can dissapoint two women at once

Too obscene for this community. Everybody tone down this kind of talk please.

 

[Slav]

They really shouldn't have killed either of the Black Noir's before the final because Homelander's team felt really weak

It was just him, Oh-Father (Who was introduced only this season), and The Deep (Who is the most pathetic man in the universe). Starlight basically gets removed from the final fight to deal with The Deep and Oh-Father is dealt with pretty quickly.

Oh-Father was cool, one of the best aspects of this season, but I just don't have any real attachment to him. He's not exactly a foe that The Boy have had to deal with for long.

homelander has access to the entire us millitary and all supes on earth. chooses his best way of dealing with butchers team is one self locking door with a dog whistle lol

 

[Phirse]

occams razor is cool and all but if homelanders statements dont hold up and are contradictory we can assume theyre wrong. the guy who kept lying hes a god and all powerful may have very well lied about space.

Yeah it's almost like the guy that couldn't get out of the white house because he was constantly being tagged by Butcher which is the entire premise of the ending and his death cannot actually fly into space in seconds

 

[Jropzone1]

Shouldn't we focus more on the artistic accomplishment of the series ending than just attempting to powerscale from it?

Eric Kripke said that he was worried about not being able to accomplish a sufficiently good and satisfying ending, but I think that he genuinely managed to truly pull it off.

NO CRT SPEED SCALING ME WANT /s

That's not really my point, since basically everything about the scene was PIS. Like why didn't HL just cut Kimiko in half or splatter her and then put all his focus on Butcher while she's regenerating? I'm saying I thought the writers could've been smarter about the characters' powers.

You can make the argument that Kimiko's durability increased to take the force of her blasts

 

[Da3ggman]

If we want to reach a conclusion, let's put Homelander at Mach 3, and say A-Train is at least Mach 3.

I think I’d be fine with them at Mach 3, it’s enough to be faster than the rest but not enough to basically statue bullets like MHS which contradicts the show.

 

[Omegas03]

So

Kimiko becomes 8-B post radiation (or at least her durability does) although bullets pierced through her earlier in the episode. Either 8-B or just PIS

Season 5 Ryan straight up scales to Homelander, so he becomes 8-B too

Episode 8 Tentacle Butcher is 8-B as well. PIS induced power up seemingly made him stronger than his Temp V self

 

[Tapkmiz]

occams razor is cool and all but if the interpretation of homelanders statements doesnt hold up and is contradictory we can assume its wrong. the guy who kept lying hes a god and all powerful may have exaggerated too

He flies in a straight line and back down; the guy's body does not drop, he says he's an astronaut so he took him to space, all off-handedly in a situation where he has no reason to lie to anyone present.

I think speculating on whether or not he was lying is an exercise in futility. We can't guess that at an accuracy better than flipping a coin.

 

[CharlesZaGreat]

homelander has access to the entire us millitary and all supes on earth. chooses his best way of dealing with butchers team is one self locking door with a dog whistle lol

I get that they didn't want the spin-off character doing anything too important in the final season, but they could've at least been used to be Homelander's side look powerful. They fighting off a bunch of supes while The Boys make it through the white house would've worked

Bro has one trap (Which was the most effective thing there), The Deep (Who wasn't invited), and Oh-Father