GodlyCharmander
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Not too keen on the Ryan feat, what's the reasonable assumptions to be made here?
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The Boys discussion thread
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Not too keen on the Ryan feat, what's the reasonable assumptions to be made here?
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Superhuman-Subsonic, normal ass humans can track him with their eyes lol. REALLY not a feat you wanna bring out when arguing faster than subsonic.
That supersonic btw, already been calced.
Do you even know what you’re talking about? Are you new to this? The quote doesn’t say “we need a 5000 FPS camera to catch him!” It’s “with 5000 FPS cameras, we can always see exactly what speedsters like A Trains are doing”. Nothing implies they’re only catching him barely.
Nothing here is new.
Mach 3, really getting way above that transonic threshold now lol
Flight speed btw.
Flight speed btw.
Flight speed btw
Flight speed btw.
A Train is canonically the fastest thing in the verse, Kripke stated he would’ve gotten away from Homelander if not for the woman, and that was with a chunk of his side scorched off.
Orrrrrrr maybe anything faster than Transonic is relegated to Travel speed 99% of the time in a show where characters are constantly blitzed by bullets and have their fights be seen by regular humans consistently. Hmmmm…..
GodlyCharmander
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Casual feat, sure. I concede on that one, but still, a casual subsonic feat is nowhere near his limit, and can't actually be an anti-feat either.
That's Mach 18, actually.
Mach 2.63 is still above subsonic hell.
Flight Speed scales to reactions and combat in virtually every combat it has been introduced.
For crying out loud, Homelander can make sharp turns while flying and tagging A-Train.
Kripke's words are meaningless, Death of the Author. A-Train is not even the fastest speedster in the verse, let alone the fastest supe.
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It's what Clara would've wanted.
GodlyCharmander
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For context, the 372m/s A-Train value is juiced up by Comp V. His usual speed is around 332m/s, he's slower than this guy.
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i think it's an original for the serieSo which superhero was Bombsight based on? The Sentry? He was named Robbie, was a drug addict, and I think he kind of had a forgotten theme.
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2.382 seconds to be exact. That gives you roughly 83.963 km/s or Mach 244.8
Tapkmiz
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Nobody has actually explained why flight speed is this incredibly above-the-rest-of-his-speed statistic beyond saying so. The Homelander is capable of accelerating to top speed in negligible amounts of time without losing control of himself or crashing, and again...flight means control of your body in this case. It's understandable in cases where it's control of an external object. At any rate, the Homelander also does a fairly steep turn while chasing A-Train, so it's not like he lacks control of his body.
There are also several instances of Butcher catching the Homelander (with his tendrils and when he's charging at him) all while he's actively trying to kill them and later fly for his life. So saying he's somehow slower makes no sense either.
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This is gonna be popcornable!
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Glad you concede, thank you.
Please bro, I’m begging you to actually do some research, because if you did you’d know just a few pages back Dale redid the calc and it got to Mach 3 lmaooooo.
And he completely blitzed Homelander when he wasn’t injured, wonder what that tells us….
Considering the massive disparity we see in feats from combat vs flight speed, we can reasonably conclude otherwise.
You mean the same A Train that had his side scorched? The same a train that took several seconds to clear the distance (a few hundred meters at most) between him and a girl talking on the phone and getting out of the car? The same A Train that likely slowed down on purpose in order for Homelander to follow him and lead away from the camp for Starlight and the others to escape? That A Train?
I see, so we’re fine using confirmed speeds and that race, right? So you have no problem conceding that A Train, who is faster than Homelander, is at max Supersonic? Glad we could clear that up.
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yeahButcher could grab Homelander mid flight so combat speed totally scales to flight feats
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who even uses that term?
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makes sense to me
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Me, and Obi-Wan Kenobi solos this fodder verse with a "Hello there" and hitting the griddy
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Han solo vs Homelander
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anyone who is in a verse who's in the superhuman range vs homelander is already too much for homelander
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There are actually a few instances of the cast not being able to react to their own travel feats, but besides that, we literally have so many anti-feats and narrative moments that contradict the MHS shit that it’s diabolical. The only options we have is to say they are MHS and contradict every single episode in the entire series (I’m being serious, this is how often anti-feats come up), say flight speed only scales to itself, or say every travel speed feat is an outlier.
Obviously, I’m for option 2.
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So... Random Stormtrooper vs. Homelander.
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* inhales *
why do i feel like everyone is trying to ragebate me?
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Tek Knight's company built them, but Vought is shown to own them after he died, including posters and some merch "touting their freedom camps".
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Low level subsonic perception and movement type of super speed
Thats not what that means, its worthless to have a camera that fast if they can only see 1 or 2 frames of movement. They specifically stated they have that so they can see all of his movements for security purposes so he's not gonna be appearing as a blur during that if anything he'd just look like he's moving normally, so yes it fits him being transonic~supersonic
My recalc got about Mach 3ish I think but it needs some tweaking but its not Hyper+
Flight speed
Flight speed
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i deadass wasted my time watching this show, sunk cost fallacy can go to hell im never doing it again— if i see a show teetering im just tossing it. same wall level nonsense, nothing big, not one of the boys died, zero ass-clenching stakes. but idk what i was expecting. whatever, its over
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Watching a show for scaling will always disappoint you, I haven't even recorded half the shit I've done for Obi-Wan so far because I'm just enjoying rewatching/rereading his shit.
GodlyCharmander
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You can't genuinely expect me to know a re-calc that's not in a thread and not in the profiles. I'd have to assume the calc we have is wrong for me to actively go and research a replacement. You can't blame that on me.
Fine, Mach 3 works. Is that not a valid feat? It's consistent with A-Train.
I forgot the magic bone in my shoulder that makes the speed of my legs two order of magnitudes slower than their usual self. The blitz is PIS, you know it, I know it, everybody knows it. Don't use it. A-Train and Homie are relative in speed.
Those disparities come from inconsistencies in writing, because we have also plenty amounts of evidence of flight speed not being a whole blitz tier above combat.
Poor guy is really banking on that nothing burger of an injury to make A-Train crippled. Bro even smuggled in an entire headcanon as a rebuttal. "Slowed down", weren't you using the author's words which imply he was trying to run away?
Really condescending for a guy being proven wrong. Homelander is faster than A-Train in-universe via the same confirmed speeds.
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I'm obviously a little out of the loop here, but the standard The Boys is being held to (what with this 'story over feats' idea and inaccuracies like 'cameras being able to catch them' being used) doesn't really seem consistent with how the rest of VSBW operates. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't JJBA: Steel Ball Run characters marked as not just MFTL, but also Building level durability despite there being a significant number of fights where guns pose a major threat to characters with this tiering, and quick-draw gunfights being a significant element of even the final battle?
GodlyCharmander
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Me currently watching MLP. I'm enjoying the show, and I forget to write shit... At the same time, though...
GodlyCharmander
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Calculate the area the camera catches and calculate how fast he'd have to go to cross that distance in a short amount of frames out of the 5000. They directly state 5000fps is what they need to even see him. That means any lower, and it wouldn't be possible.
Tapkmiz
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I know of Soldier Boy being blitzed by the Homelander's flight speed. At any rate, my overall point is that being able to perform maneouvres and being able to accelerate from a state of rest to your flight speed - and also, in the case of the A-Train chase, being able to decelerate, change direction, then accelerate again in a negligible amount of time - requires reaction speed, especially because flight is as innate an ability of the Homelander as a typical human's ability to run is.
By the way: please point to where in my post or even this thread I mentioned anything about MHS. You will see I personally have not. I am perfectly willing to say it's an outlier once all the feats have been calculated. As of now I really, really don't care about this feat. My point is entirely about flight and reaction relations.
No. We could actually attempt to have a discussion with a compilation of feats, their validity, same for the anti-feats, and go from there. Because I've seen a lot of allusion to them and not a lot of discussion about them, which would be done in a CRT.
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reaper is right, if you are going to not like a show by itself scaling it will be a pain in the ass
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This actually isn't true btw, homelander never takes off inside of a building being able to neatly fly out without crashing, he almost always walks outdoors to fly first so he's not just busting through the ceiling otherwise when he goes need to escape quickly he just burst through the building without caring to go outside first, he never is in any position where he needs to point dodge weave or react on a dime to something highly mobile while flying.
The one instance is with A-Train and its not even fully a 1:1 reaction speed feat since he's already flying at a relative speed whilst just plowing through obstacles taking a shorter path otherwise though we've never seen homelander at flying top speed actually having to react to anything or made on thr fly manuevers
GodlyCharmander
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First thing Homelander does in that scene is make a sharp 90º turn perfectly tagging A-Train, btw
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Why doesn't anyone suggest that Homelander flew a couple of kilometers and just threw it high into the air?
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i wasnt watching it for scaling but thats what happens when the story loses you through so much nonsense and foolishness, i was coping on the fact that this is the final episode of the final season of amazons biggest show, so ATLEAST, ATLEAST i can expect something bigger budget, something more epic— not man of steel level, but all i get is disappointment.
and then hacks like kripke get away with this because instead of focusing on making a good story, a coherent story, or even an epic story, they just use it as their political soapbox and spam as many seggs jokes as possible. then you have that dude up there glazing it because “muh real life bad people allusion 10/10 4D chess writing, down with evil” when it isnt even done cleverly. but whatever, he owns the website or something so who cares. homelander is a fraud, might as well take him off the wiki
GodlyCharmander
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What's the difference between throwing him at 1km high the rest of the 100km's, and throwing him from the ground? Even if you assume it was a couple of km, at that speed, it would still be a good feat.
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