Acheron does NOT have acausality type 2

[Nighting4l33yes]

You just admitted she captured her throughout time lol

Um. Are you okay? Why would she not capture her present LMFAO that's literally what Acausality 2 is. Anchoring people to the present.

Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, ONLY THE PRESENT

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

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past or the future, only the present
they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it

I've given direct wording for Aca2 2-3 times. + Wording for Casuality manipulation and HOW everything you said can be justified with Casuality manipulation + EE.

Where's your proof she doesn't exist in the future? Proof her past can't be changed? And proof that people don't remember her?
It was before she became this! Ok and ?! People still remember her, yes izumo was destroyed but, it doesn't matter , where's the proof she's immune to Elios script?? Proof she can't be changed? You've given proof + justifications for Casuality and Existence erasure, but Aca2 no.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

past or the future, only the present
they cannot be affected by changes to the past, while also making them resistant to Precognition that works by viewing the future, as they do not exist within it

I've given direct wording for Aca2 2-3 times. + Wording for Casuality manipulation and HOW everything you said can be justified with Casuality manipulation + EE.

Where's your proof she doesn't exist in the future? Proof her past can't be changed? And proof that people don't remember her?
It was before she became this! Ok and ?! People still remember her, yes izumo was destroyed but, it doesn't matter , where's the proof she's immune to Elios script?? Proof she can't be changed? You've given proof + justifications for Casuality and Existence erasure, but Aca2 no.

Girl you're just saying things. Go re-read my tl;dr and following posts.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

Girl you're just saying things. Go re-read my tl;dr and following posts.

I did read,
What you've given is still justifications for Casuality manipulation and Existence erasure
Foremost History EE.
That's not type 2.. you're just saying things Ok. Burden of proof is on you for Aca2
Every scan you gave is direct further proof + confirmation for Casuality + EE
Which is once again not Aca2
Acheron is not temporal. Provide proof that she is

 

[SuperNova55555]

Her history isn't being deleted every second constantly. There's nothing saying Aca 2 types aren't allowed to leave history. It's only her point of origin that was erased from the timeline.

This is literally just not Type 2 though. Do you even know the hax you’re positing?

Btw, Cyrene, Herta and the TB tanked it too.

Herta self-coronated, which is why she survived. Cyrene and TB escaped into Path Space, they didn’t tank it.

Cyrene captured the universe RIGHT BEFORE the nuke when Acheron was alive in the present.

“Right before” is the past.

I am sorry but this is just whatever.

Not a response.

Brother... Nobody remembers Acheron from the time of Izumo. Why do you two keep insisting on that? Those that remember her are the ones AFTER her past was erased. Which has nothing to do with her actions in the future.

Do people who interact with Scaramouche keep forgetting him everyday? Wtf?

Because we’re directly tying the Past with Remembrance here. Like EXPLICITLY so. That’s what the past is referring in this context

 

[Mbpoops]

Btw as i said before this wouldnt even qualify for type 1 because the verse has accepted MWI

Im fine with self passive history EE tho

 

[Mbpoops]

lets also not forget terminus is actively traveling to the past and seeing her

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

This is literally just not Type 2 though. Do you even know the hax you’re positing?

It quite literally is. Prove how it isn't.

Herta self-coronated, which is why she survived. Cyrene and TB escaped into Path Space, they didn’t tank it.

You see them struggling before doing that though unlike others that were instantly one-shot. Acheron wasn't present. Why are we even talking about this?

“Right before” is the past.

Right before Irontomb nuked it...? Why would Acheron not exist there? Are you okay? Why the **** would she not be able to affect history in the present? There was even a mod saying this.

It would depend on if it's constant or not.

Having your past erased once, wouldn't mean you can't create new history. However, if it's constantly being erased even as it's being made, then it's the same as having no past at all.

Not a response.

They can go back 1 page ago and read it instead of just repeating Poops' already refuted, poorly made arguments.

Because we’re directly tying the Past with Remembrance here. Like EXPLICITLY so. That’s what the past is referring in this context

Izumo's destruction happened a thousand years ago. Nobody alive now was alive then. Nobody knew who tf she was back then. What's that got to do with the present history and actions she's doing? Wtf are you saying?

Btw as i said before this wouldnt even qualify for type 1 because the verse has accepted MWI

No correlation.

Go argue to remove Aca 1 and 4 from Genshin's descender's and Wanderer then.

lets also not forget terminus is actively traveling to the past and seeing her

When did he see her?

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Also, remove SpaceMan's vote. They're waiting for more supporters' votes.

 

[SuperNova55555]

It quite literally is. Prove how it isn't.

Because you need to have no history. Not just have a particular point erased. That’s why it’s called a “singularity”

You see them struggling before doing that though unlike others that were instantly one-shot. Acheron wasn't present. Why are we even talking about this?

Yay, 2-A spaceships and normal scientists!!

Right before Irontomb nuked it...? Why would Acheron not exist there? Are you okay? Why the **** would she not be able to affect history in the present? There was even a mod saying this.

When Cyrene reverted everything, it’s stated everyone exists in a state of pure consciousness. And then reverts them to a prior state (having a body) via Memory (the past).

She is using a prior state of Acheron to revert her, is the conclusion here.

They can go back 1 page ago and read it instead of just repeating Poops' already refuted, poorly made arguments.

Just copy-paste the argument as to why that statement is meant to be read the obviously semantically incorrect way.

Izumo's destruction happened a thousand years ago. Nobody alive now was alive then. Nobody knew who tf she was back then. Wtf are you saying?

Negative tracking

 

[Furina003]

Go argue to remove Aca 1 and 4 from Genshin's descender's and Wanderer then.

To be honest, Wanderer case is very different from Acheron, Wanderer and Scaramouce are basically the same person but completely unconnected.
Because Wanderer is the reincarnation of Scaramouce, when his existence was erased by Irminsul, his history was also erased. That's why his past was erased, the memories that Wanderer now has are only the memories given by Nahida, because before Scaramouce was completely erased from history, Nahida had archived his memories in her personal storage and those were only his memories, not his past.
And this just acausality type 1 not type 2.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Because you need to have no history. Not just have a particular point erased. That’s why it’s called a “singularity”

That's not stated in the description. They just can't have a past prior to the point of the erasure and are not present in the future. And she doesn't have a past prior to becoming a Self-Annihilator which is when her past was erased and she is not seen in Elio's scripts. Again, like the mod said, it doesn't prevent them from creating new history after their own was erased. It's also one thing for your origin to be erased and another for just a gap to exist between the origin and the present.

Yay, 2-A spaceships and normal scientists!!

Whatever man

When Cyrene reverted everything, it’s stated everyone exists in a state of pure consciousness. And then reverts them to a prior state (having a body) via Memory (the past).

She is using a prior state of Acheron to revert her, is the conclusion here.

Obviously??? The state of her existence AFTER her past was erased???? Again, you had a mod straight up tell you you are allowed to CREATE new history after your past one is gone.

Negative tracking

No

 

[SuperNova55555]

That's not stated in the description. They just can't have a past prior to the point of the erasure and are not present in the future. And she doesn't have a past prior to becoming a Self-Annihilator which is when her past was erased and she is not seen in Elio's scripts. Again, like the mod said, it doesn't prevent them from creating new history after their own was erased. It's also one thing for your origin to be erased and another for just a gap to exist between the origin and the present.

Whatever man

Obviously??? The state of her existence AFTER her past was erased???? Again, you had a mod straight up tell you you are allowed to CREATE new history after your past one is gone.

No

Type 2: Temporal Singularity: Characters with this type of Acausality do not exist in either the past or the future, only the present.

Can you send me where the mod said that a character can have a past with Acausality 2? Cuz there might be quite a few mfs with it if all you need is to EE 1 random second of your history

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Can you send me where the mod said that a character can have a past with Acausality 2? Cuz there might be quite a few mfs with it if all you need is to EE 1 random second of your history

PLEASE read this VERY carefully.

It's one thing for the period of: your birth (origin) up until your present to be erased, meaning that if you survive you are free to create NEW HISTORY AFTER, and ANOTHER for a random time period that DOES NOT INCLUDE your birth, origin, existence etc to be erased. Being Acausal 2 does NOT mean your past is CONSTANTLY erased.

It would depend on if it's constant or not.

Having your past erased once, wouldn't mean you can't create new history

 

[SuperNova55555]

PLEASE read this VERY carefully.

It's one thing for the period of: your birth (origin) up until your present to be erased, meaning that if you survive you are free to create NEW HISTORY AFTER, and ANOTHER for a random time period that DOES NOT INCLUDE your birth, origin, existence etc to be erased. Being Acausal 2 does NOT mean your past is CONSTANTLY erased.

Please read the next sentence right after that:

However, if it's constantly being erased even as it's being made, then it's the same as having no past at all.

This might arguably be the greatest negative tracking in hoyoscaling history.

Please don’t make me have to explain to you how you’re supposed to read the comment.

 

[Mbpoops]

aeon of negative tracking

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Please read the next sentence right after that:

And please explain where in that sentence it's even slightly insinuated that you can't be Aca 2 in either case?

 

[SuperNova55555]

And please explain where in that sentence it's even slightly insinuated that you can't be Aca 2 in either case?

So. What Spaceman is saying is that merely having your history erased once doesn't equate to you not being able to generate history, thus it's not necessarily a temporal singularity (Type 2).

But in the case that it is actually erased constantly then that would be no different from being a temporal singularity, thus, the latter could be equated to Type 2.

I.e he's saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming he's saying.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

So. What Spaceman is saying is that merely having your history erased once doesn't equate to you not being able to generate history, thus it's not necessarily a temporal singularity (Type 2).

But in the case that it is actually erased constantly then that would be no different from being a temporal singularity, thus, the latter could be equated to Type 2.

I.e he's saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming he's saying.

If that's what they are saying they are free, or other mods to clarify it. Regardless, are you now arguing the type of acausality or its existence altogether? As I already said, making it 4 is fine to me.

 

[AyOgUyS]

First of all nice pfp OP.

Anyway I'll be following, I'll vote later.

 

[SuperNova55555]

As I already said, making it 4 is fine to me.

Type 4 is broad as shit anyways

 

[Voidnether]

To be honest, Wanderer case is very different from Acheron, Wanderer and Scaramouce are basically the same person but completely unconnected.
Because Wanderer is the reincarnation of Scaramouce, when his existence was erased by Irminsul, his history was also erased. That's why his past was erased, the memories that Wanderer now has are only the memories given by Nahida, because before Scaramouce was completely erased from history, Nahida had archived his memories in her personal storage and those were only his memories, not his past.
And this just acausality type 1 not type 2.

Nah, there's a clear disqualifier to this such as the Traveler being able to remember Wanderer and other things especially Dottore which was legit still bound by fate and history there. It's not even a causal paradox, imo im removing that shit including the Acausality type 4 too cause holy hell yall did so much larping for that Higher degree Acausality type 4 lmfao after that Istaroth's 2-C thread

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

Type 4 is broad as shit anyways

That's fine by me.

And by the way, we haven't seen Acheron in the past either. TB's memories don't count. And Cyrene saved her in the present as data that was remade. She didn't time travel to the past either.

Anyhow, if the case is now on the type of acausality, it should be reflected in the CRT.

 

[Mbpoops]

If you wanna argue type 4 make another thread thus is just about removing type 2

 

[Mbpoops]

Nah, there's a clear disqualifier to this such as the Traveler being able to remember Wanderer and other things especially Dottore which was legit still bound by fate and history there. It's not even a causal paradox, imo im removing that shit including the Acausality type 4 too cause holy hell yall did so much larping for that Higher degree Acausality type 4 lmfao after that Istaroth's 2-C thread

Please dont continue this here.

 

[Furina003]

Nah, there's a clear disqualifier to this such as the Traveler being able to remember Wanderer and other things especially Dottore which was legit still bound by fate and history there.

travelers remember it because travelers are separated from the teyvat system, it's that simple.

I don't understand why you brought dottore, dottore didn't even remember scaramouce when they met in nod-krai

It's not even a causal paradox, imo im removing that shit including the Acausality type 4 too cause holy hell yall did so much larping for that Higher degree Acausality type 4 lmfao after that Istaroth's 2-C thread

Go Ahead, if you want

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So. What Spaceman is saying is that merely having your history erased once doesn't equate to you not being able to generate history, thus it's not necessarily a temporal singularity (Type 2).

But in the case that it is actually erased constantly then that would be no different from being a temporal singularity, thus, the latter could be equated to Type 2.

I.e he's saying the exact opposite of what you're claiming he's saying.

That is what I was trying to say.

 

[Voidnether]

travelers remember it because travelers are separated from the teyvat system, it's that simple.

I don't understand why you brought dottore, dottore didn't even remember scaramouce when they met in nod-krai

Go Ahead, if you want

Clear disqualifier btw especially if we consider Nicole as a factor since she was the one talking to the Traveler after the Irminsul reset, and I genuinely love how it doesn't even happen constantly but only as 1 time and the fact that it's still recoverable in a way. Literally the only justification for its Acausality type 1 is because he erased himself from Irminsul which serves as a history and he erased the past, it doesn't even IMPLY his past is ERASED but rather the history of his past is gone.

Everything else still happens, we do know it still happened but only the history is altered because Wanderer removed himself from the past, you genuinely don't have a counterargument against this since it's very obvious that anyone could just time travel to the past and kill Wanderer still. Why? Because the shit being erased is only his past from Irminsul as a history system, and that everything else still happened but technically altered. 6.6 is gonna be a huge anti-feat to this too, so ggs dont even think about it LMFAO

 

[Mbpoops]

Clear disqualifier btw especially if we consider Nicole as a factor since she was the one talking to the Traveler after the Irminsul reset, and I genuinely love how it doesn't even happen constantly but only as 1 time and the fact that it's still recoverable in a way. Literally the only justification for its Acausality type 1 is because he erased himself from Irminsul which serves as a history and he erased the past, it doesn't even IMPLY his past is ERASED but rather the history of his past is gone. Everything else still happens, we do know it still happened but only the history is altered because Wanderer removed himself from the past, you genuinely don't have a counterargument against this since it's very obvious that anyone could just time travel to the past and kill Wanderer still. Why? Because the shit being erased is only his past from Irminsul as a history system, and that everything else still happened but technically altered. 6.6 is gonna be a huge anti-feat to this too, so ggs

travelers remember it because travelers are separated from the teyvat system, it's that simple.

I don't understand why you brought dottore, dottore didn't even remember scaramouce when they met in nod-krai

Go Ahead, if you want

Please dont continue this here.

 

[Mbpoops]

I feel i should clarify this though its not reslly importsnt to the point of the thread, but acheron shouldnt get passive history EE since that would imply shes actually erasing her history which is completely wrong and would make scenes like the ones i showed in my summary not happen and people wouldnt remember them so no passive history EE but resistance/immunity to memory manip i think is fine

Edit: she already has history EE anyway so the thread only removes aca type 2

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I have no idea how something so simple is 4 pages. I agree with removing acausality type 2.

 

[Mbpoops]

I have no idea how something so simple is 4 pages. I agree with removing acausality type 2.

Average honkai thread bro surprised it wasnt 10

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

That is what I was trying to say.

So you need your past constantly erased to be Type 2?

I am sorry but this doesn't make any sense. How does that even work in an actual scenario? If I have Type 2 and on a Tuesday I cook a chicken that I just slaughtered from the chicken house with potatoes I harvested from my backyard, tomorrow on Wednesday when Tuesday becomes my Past, the meal will go back to its original ingredients? The chicken will go back to being alive and the potatoes go back to being planted? Either Type 2 needs to be rewritten to make more sense or it doesn't mean that.

If you wanna argue type 4 make another thread thus is just about removing type 2

Just settle to change it to type 4 and spare us the making of another thread

 

[Mbpoops]

Just settle to change it to type 4 and spare us the making of another thread

no because i dont agree with type 4 and its not relevant to the thread

 

[SuperNova55555]

I am sorry but this doesn't make any sense. How does that even work in an actual scenario? If I have Type 2 and on a Tuesday I cook a chicken that I just slaughtered from the chicken house with potatoes I harvested from my backyard, tomorrow on Wednesday when Tuesday becomes my Past, the meal will go back to its original ingredients? The chicken will go back to being alive and the potatoes go back to being planted? Either Type 2 needs to be rewritten to make more sense or it doesn't mean that.

It’s acausality because it breaks normal causality. Obviously.

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

no because i dont agree with type 4 and its not relevant to the thread

It is relevant to the thread because if acausality goes away altogether her and IX's EE go away and thats stupid

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

It’s acausality because it breaks normal causality. Obviously.

No it's not it just doesn't mean that. Lol.

 

[Mbpoops]

It is relevant to the thread because if acausality goes away altogether her and IX's EE go away and thats stupid

No it doesnt. They keep history EE but acheron is still temporally present at most theres just a skip in her history at izumo’s end which supports causality manip (something she already has) not to mention type 4 has nothing go do with that

 

[Nighting4l33yes]

No it doesnt. They keep history EE but acheron is still temporally present at most theres just a skip in her history at izumo’s end which supports causality manip (something she already has) not to mention type 4 has nothing go do with that

It literally does. 70% justifications of IX's EE on history, spacetime and info come from Acheron's EE on izumo and herself.

 

[Mbpoops]

It literally does. 70% justifications of IX's EE on history, spacetime and info come from Acheron's EE on izumo and herself.

hes still erasing a part of history tho no?

Actually now that i think abt it how did this ever pass as history EE when the erasure happened in the present? The erased from history stuff could deadass just be summed up to flowery language for izumo being destroyed and no one knowing why lol im fine with removing that aswell tho. The history part specfically since its still EE