Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

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My pc was beyond saving so I had to pull this move

 

[Puppet43]

Plus it is literally said you need to be a descender to open the false sky lol

Alice?
Dottore with 3 Marrows?
Are those 2 Descenders

proof?

U are the one asserting that Surtalogi did it with Physical, the burden into u my guy

not sure what this means but whatever.

U dont know how to read "Hax"?

a god strength comes from believers
he defeated a god whom is believed among the entire cosmos.
this god by this logic is stronger than an archon.

If a god's strength just came from beliefs then Nahida/Makoto/Focalors should be stronger than Osial, but the 3 are fodder and the gnosiless god with no followers beside his wife was a threath to an entire nation. Believes just burst the power u already had, if u have barely any, u would get a little bit more
So yeah u can be featless and have a great number of followers
(Not to mention u would had to prove the gods in other planets works like in Teyvat)

what does it symbolize then?

In cinematography, representing yourself as small compared to someone else can have a symbolic connection to fear, which is ironically proven by Skirk's mission; she is afraid of Surtalogi.

I proved u deflected lol

U proved you can glaze Surtalogi, but im asking evidence for his ranking to be litterally near Phanes and Nibelung

Surtalogi also scale to this due to being the greatest calamity in the entire universe.

The only mention of this is own glaze btw The newest artifact set states that the Abyssal Energy is the most lethal calamity

 

[Puppet43]

@Furina003 The CN about said artifact lore says this

At first, it was nothing more than mass hysteria or the fading of a dream; then, a civilization was wiped out in the silent night.
Next, dying dwarf stars streaked across the Milky Way like tears, and the embers of burnt-out stars warped the fabric of space.
It was only when the entire galaxy evaporated into a void deeper than pitch black that people realized the scale of this universal catastrophe.

Its not a mistranslation


@MSahla Could u tell me where u found that statment of Apep/Deshret?

 

[MSahla]

@MSahla Could u tell me where u found that statment of Apep/Deshret?

Archon Quest. Cannot speak the detail. I can give you the specifict quote.

 

[Puppet43]

Archon Quest. Cannot speak the detail. I can give you the specifict quote.

Cant u check in Project Amber which of the 2 acts is? because i read both and cant find shi, but yeah give me the quote

 

[MSahla]

Cant u check in Project Amber which of the 2 acts is? because i read both and cant find shi, but yeah give me the quote

Spoiler

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Alice?

When did she open the false sky?

Dottore with 3 Marrows?

The power of the 3 moon is literally the manifestation of a descender

Are those 2 Descenders

Sonion

U are the one asserting that Surtalogi did it with Physical, the burden into u my guy

And I proved it, We can see it in Star Odyssey. He used his sword to open it. The burden of proof is for you to prove he used spatial hax when it's stated nowhere. In the trailer, you literally see shards flying everywhere

U dont know how to read "Hax"?

You said ''ha'' son

If a god's strength just came from beliefs then Nahida/Makoto/Focalors should be stronger than Osial, but the 3 are fodder and the gnosiless god with no followers beside his wife was a threath to an entire nation. Believes just burst the power u already had, if u have barely any, u would get a little bit more
So yeah u can be featless and have a great number of followers
(Not to mention u would had to prove the gods in other planets works like in Teyvat)

Nahida doesn't have a large following lmao
Focalors shouldn't even have followers since everyone believed that Furina was the true Hydro archon.
The General followers of raiden shogun don't even know about raiden Makato since both Makato and Ei ruled as a singular entity since they looked identical. The people that know about makato are archons, Yae miko and us lmfao.

In cinematography, representing yourself as small compared to someone else can have a symbolic connection to fear, which is ironically proven by Skirk's mission; she is afraid of Surtalogi.

Sonion. It can be symbolic and literal at the same time since a character destroying celestial body within cinematography will be presented larger than one that isn't capable of doing so.

U proved you can glaze Surtalogi, but im asking evidence for his ranking to be litterally near Phanes and Nibelung

''Glaze'' and it be devs and genshin telling you how strong Surta is. Plus Surtalogi and Vedrfolnir are speaking from an objective pov since both of them are confirmed not to lie.

Phanes literally have no feats himself lmao

The only mention of this is own glaze btw The newest artifact set states that the Abyssal Energy is the most lethal calamity

And guess who possessess infinite abyssal energy? SON

Not only he have unlimited abyssal power but also absorbed countless other power sources.

 

[Le'garde273]

@Furina003 The CN about said artifact lore says this

At first, it was nothing more than mass hysteria or the fading of a dream; then, a civilization was wiped out in the silent night.
Next, dying dwarf stars streaked across the Milky Way like tears, and the embers of burnt-out stars warped the fabric of space.
It was only when the entire galaxy evaporated into a void deeper than pitch black that people realized the scale of this universal catastrophe.

Its not a mistranslation


@MSahla Could u tell me where u found that statment of Apep/Deshret?

The word "Milky way" Isn't mistraslantion btw, it's the same type of honkai to refer distinct actual "galaxy" 星系 and "milky way" Or more precisely it said "silver rail" Yinhe 银河 to refer the the universe (yes, honkai in the cn call the universe as milky way/silver rail, you're not read it wrong, it would be automatically translated as galaxy in eng localization). This actually backup with the next line and several various statements about abyss is being the universal catastrophic

 

[MSahla]

And I proved it, We can see it in Star Odyssey. He used his sword to open it.

You mean this animation? That's just literally Skirk who passing by, not Surtalogi, and the POV was already beyond the false sky.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

You mean this animation? That's just literally Skirk who passing by, not Surtalogi, and the POV was already beyond the false sky.

Surtalogi sliced the false barrier open since Skirk doesn't have the power to open it. Animation show us that even glass shards are falling since he broke it physically.

So yeah Skirk passed by but surtalogi opened the false sky for her.

 

[MSahla]

Surtalogi sliced the false barrier open since Skirk doesn't have the power to open it. Animation show us that even glass shards are falling since he broke it physically.

So yeah Skirk passed by but surtalogi opened the false sky for her.

But that's not Surtalogi? That's just Skirk. She's just flying by the screen. Literally the broken glasses just proving it more by the fact that you'll see a lot of that animation when you go flying mode with Skirk.

And there's still no proof of him opening it physically, so you cannot use that Star Odyssey trailer as a proof cause it doesn't prove anything like you said.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

But that's not Surtalogi?

But we can see Skirk being in the true cosmos prior to being in teyvat and someone slashed the false sky for her to enter in.

That's just Skirk. She's just flying by the screen. Literally the broken glasses just proving it more by the fact that you'll see a lot of that animation when you go flying mode with Skirk.

Skirk flying doesn't have the same animation as the slash in the opening scene.

And there's still no proof of him opening it physically, so you cannot use that Star Odyssey trailer as a proof cause it doesn't prove anything like you said.

I mean what else could possibly open and shatter the false sky? Skirk cant open it with her hax, no one else opened it for her.

 

[MSahla]

But we can see Skirk being in the true cosmos prior to being in teyvat and someone slashed the false sky for her to enter in.

Again that slashing like animation is not Surtalogi whatsoever, that's Skirk who passing by, not someone's attack.

Skirk flying doesn't have the same animation as the slash in the opening scene.

Duh? Cause she was moving so fast that you cannot see it.

I mean what else could possibly open and shatter the false sky? Skirk cant open it with her hax, no one else opened it for her.

She can btw.

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

@

Again that slashing like animation is not Surtalogi whatsoever, that's Skirk who passing by, not someone's attack.

That defs not her passing by since you hear an slash sound followed by the statement that Surtalogi opened the false sky for her.

Duh? Cause she was moving so fast that you cannot see it.

She wasn't even moving in the opening and the false sky wasn't even open at that time lol for her to travel in.

She can btw.

Likely not literal since Surtalogi opened the portal.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Likely not literal since Surtalogi opened the portal.

its likely just that they saw her cut trough space like she does and wanked it

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Rhinedottir done more to teyvat than phanes ever did in 6000 years and she was just 20 lmao

 

[MSahla]

That defs not her passing by since you hear an slash sound followed by the statement that Surtalogi opened the false sky for her.

That animation and his statement opening border are not related whatsoever. That's just your headcanon.

She wasn't even moving in the opening and the false sky wasn't even open at that time lol for her to travel in.

??
She was already arrived on Teyvat, of course she's not moving?

First of all, we should not take this so-called “Border” as the false sky. Because, the game have told us that this “Border” is something more than just a false sky. Not to mention you got Nicole's lore about the Border Pass. She literally need something called “Border Pass” so she can get through this “Border”

Since when did you need a ticket like thing to get through the false sky?
If they're referring to the false sky they can just say it that it's the false sky just fine, since nobody forbids someone to say it.

So this so called Border cannot be referring to the False Sky. At least, not yet.

Likely not literal since Surtalogi opened the portal.

Fym not literal when someone sees it.

 

[Puppet43]

When did she open the false sky?

"Sustainer of the World's Borders"
She has to have some manipulation over said borders, like in Aloy trailer she says

Teyvat's borders have grown fragile these past two years — looks like Mommy's going to have to get busy

The power of the 3 moon is literally the manifestation of a descender

The moon were created before Nibelung turn into a Descender...lmao

Nahida doesn't have a large following lmao
Focalors shouldn't even have followers since everyone believed that Furina was the true Hydro archon.
The General followers of raiden shogun don't even know about raiden Makato since both Makato and Ei ruled as a singular entity since they looked identical. The people that know about makato are archons, Yae miko and us lmfao.

• Nahida's current believers should be at worst comparable to Rukkha, which had the glaze on the entire nation minus some Deshret believers
• The belief concept isnt tie to the person but the "God", for example they didnt know Ei/Makoto were 2 different entities and yet still both gain the believer buff, why? because inazumians believe on the concept of "Electro Archon", so if people tought Furina was the Archon the belief amp would go to "Hydro Archon"

It can be symbolic and literal at the same time since a character destroying celestial body within cinematography will be presented larger than one that isn't capable of doing so.

When we get to FP sinners being the evil of a nation and i see them destroy planets i would take the feat seriously (Even do he just whiped out like 3 planets, so idk why so glaze when we might have Galaxy lvl Phanes)

''Glaze'' and it be devs and genshin telling you how strong Surta is.

Wasnt the devs, but the Vas, and i already told u "All Encomposing ain't same as true omnipotency"

Plus Surtalogi and Vedrfolnir are speaking from an objective pov since both of them are confirmed not to lie.

When has been stated that Surta has never lied? I can see it if u only talked about Vedr, but Surta? Like? huh?
and Vedr never said anything about Surta strength but this

Nor I. But, Vedrfolnir said I was destined to find a disciple out there in the universe and bring her to Teyvat.

Phanes literally have no feats himself lmao

• Nuking a moon (High 5A) and scaling above their goddess (5A)
• Defeating Nibelung, which also could scale above the Moon Goddess
• And now the artifact lol

And guess who possessess infinite abyssal energy?

No one, because u cant get 1/6 of infinite
or u saying Abyssal Traveler is infinite power too?

The word "Milky way" Isn't mistraslantion btw

Thats what i said

And there's still no proof of him opening it physically, so you cannot use that Star Odyssey trailer as a proof cause it doesn't prove anything like you said.

His only evidence its that Surtalogi was talking while it happend (Even do it could be a flash back voice; or since he wasnt there present it also could be Spatial hax, but he doesnt wanna accept that)

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

That animation and his statement opening border are not related whatsoever. That's just your headcanon.

They are related since we are going from Skirk POV and flashback. When she closed her eyes that is when she was still in the true cosmos and that's when she entered the false sky.

??
She was already arrived on Teyvat, of course she's not moving?

My guy there was a whole flashback of her going inside the false sky because cinematography allows having flashbacks at povs.

First of all, we should not take this so-called “Border” as the false sky. Because, the game have told us that this “Border” is something more than just a false sky. Not to mention you got Nicole's lore about the Border Pass. She literally need something called “Border Pass” so she can get through this “Border”

Since when did you need a ticket like thing to get through the false sky?
If they're referring to the false sky they can just say it that it's the false sky just fine, since nobody forbids someone to say it.

So this so called Border cannot be referring to the False Sky. At least, not yet.


Fym not literal when someone sees it.

RUMOR HAS IT

YALL DONT WANNA BELIEVE IN OBJECTIVE VIEWPOINTS BUT WANNA BELIEVE IN RUMORS ALL OF THE SUDDEN.

Surtolagi literally says she can't open the false sky and that is enough reasons to know that rumor is pure bogus considering Surtalogi knows how strong skirk is.

 

[MSahla]

They are related since we are going from Skirk POV and flashback. When she closed her eyes that is when she was still in the true cosmos and that's when she entered the false sky.

No they are not. The fact that the slashing animation isn't Surtalogi's attacks is already debunk your whole scenario here.

My guy there was a whole flashback of her going inside the false sky because cinematography allows having flashbacks at povs.

Border ≠ False Sky

Surtolagi literally says she can't open the false sky and that is enough reasons to know that rumor is pure bogus considering Surtalogi knows how strong skirk is.

Border ≠ False Sky

 

[Furina003]

@Furina003 The CN about said artifact lore says this

At first, it was nothing more than mass hysteria or the fading of a dream; then, a civilization was wiped out in the silent night.
Next, dying dwarf stars streaked across the Milky Way like tears, and the embers of burnt-out stars warped the fabric of space.
It was only when the entire galaxy evaporated into a void deeper than pitch black that people realized the scale of this universal catastrophe.

Its not a mistranslation


@MSahla Could u tell me where u found that statment of Apep/Deshret?

Yes, the translation is fine, I have checked it in the original text.

 

[Furina003]

The word "Milky way" Isn't mistraslantion btw, it's the same type of honkai to refer distinct actual "galaxy" 星系 and "milky way" Or more precisely it said "silver rail" Yinhe 银河 to refer the the universe (yes, honkai in the cn call the universe as milky way/silver rail, you're not read it wrong, it would be automatically translated as galaxy in eng localization). This actually backup with the next line and several various statements about abyss is being the universal catastrophic

This is very interesting, how can we consider Genshin "just a leaf"?
If Genshin exists in the same spacetime as Honkai

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

"Sustainer of the World's Borders"
She has to have some manipulation over said borders, like in Aloy trailer she says

And sustained likely entails just fixing the border rather than opening it lol.

The moon were created before Nibelung turn into a Descender...lmao

• Nahida's current believers should be at worst comparable to Rukkha, which had the glaze on the entire nation minus some Deshret believers

Nahida was literally weak when people doubted her but now is steadily getting stronger.

• The belief concept isnt tie to the person but the "God", for example they didnt know Ei/Makoto were 2 different entities and yet still both gain the believer buff, why? because inazumians believe on the concept of "Electro Archon", so if people tought Furina was the Archon the belief amp would go to "Hydro Archon"

When we get to FP sinners being the evil of a nation and i see them destroy planets i would take the feat seriously (Even do he just whiped out like 3 planets, so idk why so glaze when we might have Galaxy lvl Phanes)

Rerir the weakest sinner, whom even in FP should be weaker than the other sinners whom became the pinnacle of their obsession was capable of destroying a planet. Js. Even if Rerir is FP he would be weaker than current vedrfolnir.

Wasnt the devs, but the Vas, and i already told u "All Encomposing ain't same as true omnipotency"

The Vas repeats what the devs already have scripted.

When has been stated that Surta has never lied? I can see it if u only talked about Vedr, but Surta? Like? huh?

Skirk: Everything Surtalogi said, he meant at face value. One day, they would surely fight to the death.

and Vedr never said anything about Surta strength but this

Ved: calamity unfurls across the universe.

• Nuking a moon (High 5A) and scaling above their goddess (5A)
• Defeating Nibelung, which also could scale above the Moon Goddess
• And now the artifact lol

No one, because u cant get 1/6 of infinite

1/6 of infinite is still infinite lol

or u saying Abyssal Traveler is infinite power too?

It is stated that abyssal traveler had infinite abyssal power but was stolen by the sinners lol

 

[Le'garde273]

This is very interesting, how can we consider Genshin "just a leaf"?
If Genshin exists in the same spacetime as Honkai

If you refer to spesific teyvat location only, then yeah it's one of among infinite leaves, if you refer to the universe then it's no way can be mere leaf

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The word "Milky way" Isn't mistraslantion btw, it's the same type of honkai to refer distinct actual "galaxy" 星系 and "milky way" Or more precisely it said "silver rail" Yinhe 银河 to refer the the universe (yes, honkai in the cn call the universe as milky way/silver rail, you're not read it wrong, it would be automatically translated as galaxy in eng localization). This actually backup with the next line and several various statements about abyss is being the universal catastrophic

IX

 

[Le'garde273]

IX

The joke is, IX is not the non existence of the unchosen of infinite possibilities convergence. And ix can't be envy and hostile like abyss at first place due restrictions of their own primum mobile

 

[Furina003]

If you refer to spesific teyvat location only, then yeah it's one of among infinite leaves, if you refer to the universe then it's no way can be mere leaf

I call it genshin, so it refers to the entire genshin universe not only teyvat.
if I just wanted to specifically mention teyvat I would call it teyvat.

By the way, if it refers to the universe, doesn't that mean the abyss has a destructive capacity of 3A?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

The joke is, IX is not the non existence of the unchosen of infinite possibilities convergence. And ix can't be envy and hostile like abyss at first place due restrictions of their own primum mobile

talm bout some primum mobile when hsr made nanook just not destroy shit even tho their primum mobile is destroying... classic hoyo

 

[Le'garde273]

talm bout some primum mobile when hsr made nanook just not destroy shit even tho their primum mobile is destroying... classic hoyo

I don't get wdym with this tbh, while nanook literally wanted to destroy everything in all sense, i mean literally, he literally wish to all things end at heat entropy, even including to end the next cycle of the universe itself, so nothing could reborn and exist anymore.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I don't get wdym with this tbh, while nanook literally wanted to destroy everything in all sense, i mean literally, he literally wish to all things end at heat entropy, even including to end the next cycle of the universe itself, so nothing could reborn and exist anymore.

im saying their primum mobile is ass cuz all they do is aura farm in path space

 

[Puppet43]

Spoiler

Dude, its this a ss u did yourself? because gennually i cant find it anywhere

 

[Puppet43]

And sustained likely entails just fixing the border rather than opening it lol.

Fixing still needs a manipulation, which can be used to open

Nahida was literally weak when people doubted her but now is steadily getting stronger.

She should have currently the same level as back as in 3.2 post Rukkha erasure, everyone thinks she is Rukkha

Rerir the weakest sinner, whom even in FP should be weaker than the other sinners whom became the pinnacle of their obsession was capable of destroying a planet. Js. Even if Rerir is FP he would be weaker than current vedrfolnir.

Yeah, no one questioning Sinners being planet lvl

Skirk: Everything Surtalogi said, he meant at face value. One day, they would surely fight to the death.

Source?

The Vas repeats what the devs already have scripted.

Yet u didnt proof all Encomposing = Omnipotent

Ved: calamity unfurls across the universe.

Source?

1/6 of infinite is still infinite lol

So we getting Abyss Sibling infinite power, therefore Dain infinite power who still wasnt able to do shi against FP Sinners?

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

Fixing still needs a manipulation, which can be used to open

She should have currently the same level as back as in 3.2 post Rukkha erasure, everyone thinks she is Rukkha

Yeah, no one questioning Sinners being planet lvl

And this is baseline sinner not the ones whom reached the pinnacle.

Chinese: ...都在追求某种极致。
Translation: They are both pursuing some form of pinnacle (or utmost height) .

Source?

Skirk Character Story.

Yet u didnt proof all Encomposing = Omnipotent

All Encompassing power literally means Omnipotent, it literally translate to such in latin.

All encompassing power literally refers to the unlimited power/ control over everything which is literally what omnipotence is by definition and this is also confirmed in Skirk quest.
Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.

Now you will tell me that they lied about Surtalogi lol

Source?

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」

“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”

So we getting Abyss Sibling infinite power, therefore Dain infinite power who still wasnt able to do shi against FP Sinners?

Source?

 

[Puppet43]

Ursa lore in the big 26 is something i never expected

 

[The_Tetromino_King]

So angels are created by primordial humans lmaooo

 

[Furina003]

If Phanes is also a primordial human, this implies the existence of an entity far superior to Phanes, as Melanta explains, if primordial humans are creations of the Lord of Light who resemble him.
So the Lord of Light is the true god.

 

[Puppet43]

Skirk Character Story.

There are 5

All encompassing power literally refers to the unlimited power/ control over everything which is literally what omnipotence is by definition and this is also confirmed in Skirk quest.

Infinite power is not the same as Omnipotent

Strange Creature: I'll let you in on a little secret — the real Surtalogi is terrifying.
Strange Creature: The scope of his power is impossible to understand until you experience it first-hand. It is absolute — the power to crush all things.

Wow, so we scaling of subjective truth based on the character with biggest fear towards him?
Ok, so if Paimon says Traveler is the strongest human, must be true (upscaling Dottore trilune)

「罪恶侵染天幕，灾劫蔓延整个宇宙，再无人能限制你的自由。但你的命运仍与这个世界息息相关，就像不远的将来，你会将自己的弟子送到这里。」

“Evil taints the heavens, and calamities spread throughout the universe—no one can restrict your freedom anymore. Yet your fate remains deeply intertwined with this world, just as in the near future, you will send your disciple here.”

And the source is?

Source?

The 4.7 AQ Caribert
Lumine tell us Dain was holding back
And Dain goal is to stop the sinners, yet cant do shi

 

[Puppet43]

If Phanes is also a primordial human, this implies the existence of an entity far superior to Phanes, as Melanta explains, if primordial humans are creations of the Lord of Light who resemble him.
So the Lord of Light is the true god.

I guess u reading Nicole quest or story?
.
Anyways sinceUrsa is an Angel and was weaker than Venti, can we scale the Archons to 5B?

 

[MSahla]

Anyways sinceUrsa is an Angel and was weaker than Venti, can we scale the Archons to 5B?

Mf the Angel was cursed into that

 

[Furina003]

So angels are created by primordial humans lmaooo

Nicole explicitly refers to Phanes as her creator.

With her Vision pinched between her thumb and index finger, Nicole held it up to the sky until it eclipsed the outline of Celestia.
O, my Creator...
"...Finally, you see me as human. You must forgive me and protect me. From this day on, I shall live a little more freely and boldly."