Actually, I found the color page for this scene. It does show that the moon exploded into fragments. So a mass scattering end is valid for this scene. In the official translations, most of the debris got removed to redraw the SFX from what I can see.
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CRT ain't aiming at abilities, the ki manipulation pages already separate continuities
Absolutely not, not even close to what a mass scaterring feat should look like. And it's not like the scan was lost to be found, we all knew the feat was like that. It's just not mass scattering.
Vape end in my calc is bust then, time for violent frag
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what your seeing, but looking at the panel that should show the moon itself the only things I see I think could be interpreted as fragments seem to be part of the impact word used, can you be specific about where in the image you see fragments?
We see chunks blow up, the black particles matches what we see with Namek and Earth, though it lacks the follow-up explosion panels with both of those.
I get what you're saying but the KE methods are only if the majority of the debris is ejected outwards not if its mostly vaped or pulved or something but doesn't fly off. I don't think M3X is arguing that there isn't any debris rather just that while those are chunks of it but they aren't ejected in anyway where a KE methods would be valid and that they are still where the celestial body used to be rather than being dramatically ejected outwards
Wouldn't that mean the majority of DB planet busting calcs are invalid then? They all share this exact same particle issue. I posted the Namek and Earth ones and they have similarly small amounts of material left after the blast strikes the celestial body.
Idk how they are done right now but if the manga shows it all the same way as these scans then yeah they should be revised properly
Manga profiles use DBZ:Kai as opposed to Toei for things like Cinematic Time Frames; which is more faithful to the original source.
Nvm then, forgot there wasn't a Kai version of the OG Dragon Ball era.
I should note that the issue with this is that all that pulv./vaporized material still needs to be dispersed beyond the point of no return, else under its own gravity it would just reform back and thus cannot be considered truly destroyed.
I would've said yes if it wasn't for Kai
Why the feat has to forcibly fit our standards of what moon level feats are by forcing it at baseline moon level? The wiki itself says that tiers of destroying stuff doesn't have to be at their namesake tier:
The calc is alr accepted, it would likely just replace the current one
This doesn’t apply to a moon busting feat, though. We have the exact energy necessary to bust the moon. Everything in Dragon Ball, manga and guides, points out that they can bust the moon. Their moon is Earth-like, so is their planet.
Gonna continue on your wall, to not occupy more posts here.
Then such arguments for a shared cosmology, which would have absolutely been provided to get that in the first place, should be responded, to instead of M3X just referencing the Canon page and a few bits of WoG that support their view.Dragon Ball
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Currently cosmological aspects, among other things, are shared between Anime and Manga, for example
If people were previously arguing that the anime is canon to the manga, then those arguments should be highlighted and directly responded to.
If we can calculate it, we should.
"We should find a replacement, instead of just assuming a tier rating, when the feat is calculable" is absolutely NOT derailing. What the hell are you saying? You're such a long-time staff member!!!
Why the **** would we accept this CRT, editing a bunch of profiles downgrading them to 5-C, only to have to revise them up to 5-B two weeks later once a calc is accepted?
Not necessarily. It's possible that a large percentage of the Moon's material was vaporized while the rest was violently pulverized. There are feats that use destruction percentages like this one from One-Punch Man. If there was only 5% of the moon's material remaining, it likely wouldn't reform.
I think you yourself said it best why giving it the baseline 5-C rating is better and causes less problems in the long run. Yes you can calculate it, that doesn't mean a calculation is the best solution.
As stated above, the thread is about the canonicity aspect. A separate thread will handle the ratings. This is not a thread about speculating how we could tackle one calc that was affected by the OP.
Moon level is notorious due to how the vast majority of calculations involving moon-busting don't actually end up in 5-C. The simple fact that we're given a depiction in fact makes it likely that it will end up being notably higher or lower than baseline 5-C.
It doesn't seem to be about canonicity. We already treat them as separate canons, this thread is arguing that, due to our standards, the calculations should not integrate certain values in that way. The way we select values for our calculations IS a CGM matter.
The OP literally ends by saying, as a consequence, it will change the tiers.
That's not sidestepping, that's how calculations of feats in low-info mediums generally work.
Yeah because DBS: Beerus will totally change Roshi's moon busting feat in the manga
No. Dragon Ball Z* manga ended in 1995, we have plenty of information to work with.
The feat I was talking about already got accepted by M3X, the one sapphire shared
