Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Nonynho]

Sukuna has better manip. So he'd amp himself far higher than Todo could.

What you argue seems to indicate need of time which Todo's constant clusterf* of a battle style won't let him have, so it's likely they'll grow in a very similar pace

Did Todo ever predict dismantle? Doesn't matter if he's stronger, and I already said this won't be like the other fights because Todo won't have Yuji, Yuta's domain fragments or crows to work with. He'll have to use rocks or other stuff which will be much easier to predict and harder to set up in a 1v1.

Todo never engaged in a 1v1 with the knowledge of the opponent's kit our wiki's comprehension of Prior Knowledge will give.
Todo being alone may be easier to predict but that is not the same as being easy to do it, as, once again, Sukuna himself had trouble keeping up and with feints too, with Todo always showing to adapt well enough, like against Hanami and Mahito

No he won't. Sukuna is a god at manipulation, he will always outlast everyone besides Gojo. Are you saying Todo will hit bf? Can easily see Sukuna doing it too.

That surely is the case when we talk about 16F, Full Power or TFP, but 3F is not the same beast, it is definetely not the guy who'll outlast everyone besides Gojo, specially when he's got less CE than Jogo;
Not at all impossible, no. I'm always saying Todo should win but it is definetely 50,0001% of the time, and if he ends up hitting one, can get Todo cooked.

Doubtful since its Sukuna, he just tanks it and keeps going. He can survive without his heart, I doubt he'd be affected by a bf hit. But still they're likely for Sukuna too.

BFs from Todo should be focusing on parts that will f* his CE capability up, as i've said, and this is 3F so he won't be just eating every and all moves possible

I think you're just forgetting that Sukuna will land hits too and Todo can't heal from those.

Those won't be common at all since, again, Sukuna has trouble keeping up with Shinjuku's BW, and Todo is not made out of paper, definetely being able to tank a handful of those

Fight can go normally up until domain pops up, because after it fails, staminawise all goes downhill for Sukuna as Todo won't be missing openings for his moves or using Dismantle against Sukuna

 

[Nonynho]

Despite me believing Todo can win alone, if i put Yuji, it becomes more acceptable for y'all?

 

[Arkenis]

What you argue seems to indicate need of time which Todo's constant clusterf* of a battle style won't let him have, so it's likely they'll grow in a very similar pace

He can amp himself instantly.

Todo never engaged in a 1v1 with the knowledge of the opponent's kit our wiki's comprehension of Prior Knowledge will give.
Todo being alone may be easier to predict but that is not the same as being easy to do it, as, once again, Sukuna himself had trouble keeping up and with feints too, with Todo always showing to adapt well enough, like against Hanami and Mahito

Doesn't change much. Todo can have all the knowledge, it still won't make it easier to set up feints in a 1v1.

That surely is the case when we talk about 16F, Full Power or TFP, but 3F is not the same beast, it is definetely not the guy who'll outlast everyone besides Gojo, specially when he's got less CE than Jogo;
Not at all impossible, no. I'm always saying Todo should win but it is definetely 50,0001% of the time, and if he ends up hitting one, can get Todo cooked.

He's on Jogo's level, Mahito says he should be lower than Jogo's ce level not that he actually is and that itself is vague. Regardless having better manipulation makes him perform just fine. Remember 3f Sukuna was already on Toji's level of speed or higher, that's not something Todo's amping himself to.

BFs from Todo should be focusing on parts that will f* his CE capability up, as i've said, and this is 3F so he won't be just eating every and all moves possible

He should, but he can just dodge.

Those won't be common at all since, again, Sukuna has trouble keeping up with Shinjuku's BW, and Todo is not made out of paper, definetely being able to tank a handful of those

He got beat by 2 bf, I don't see him lasting long when he gets hit by maybe two cleaves and a couple dismantles.

Fight can go normally up until domain pops up, because after it fails, staminawise all goes downhill for Sukuna as Todo won't be missing openings for his moves or using Dismantle against Sukuna

Sukuna has the better stamina.

Despite me believing Todo can win alone, if i put Yuji, it becomes more acceptable for y'all?

At that point it just becomes Yuji wank and BW spam and arguing Todo just BW them out domain every time he tries.

 

[Nonynho]

Since it seems like it'll be too hard to get the 1v1 through, i'll drop it for now.

At that point it just becomes Yuji wank and BW spam and arguing Todo just BW them out domain every time he tries.

Still the case against 16F, who should be stronger than the one they fought, TFP?
Also, any opinions if it's 3F vs Todo and crows?

 

[Electronic74947]

Is the dabura thread still not finished?

 

[BiggestOpp]

and Shinjuku Todo scales to the latter with even the possibility of Black Flash(es) happening

Mahito and Yuji were massively weakened by the time Todo appeared. Todo don’t scale to any of them.

 

[Sus]

todo cant feasibly escape malevolent shrine in a 1v1
he cant use BW and SD simultaneously

 

[Sus]

ONLY SUKUNA, GOJO AND KASHIMO**

im crine

 

[Sus]

how did ppl think yuta could beat 15f sukuna?

even before the infamous ryu panel, sukuna blitzed jogo so badly he couldn't land a single hit
the same jogo who is only a bit slower than naobito whos faster than yuta

and yuta then had a single cursed technique, which is useful but what is it gonna do against someone blitzing ur ass

and needless to say, sukuna shreds in a battle of domains (not only we didn't know yuta had a domain back then, but we knew sukuna had an open one)

 

[Ozcantabak]

Speaking of 3f Sukuna, can't he also just transform into his true form ? That was not an ability he gained later on, he simply stopped transforming so that he could use it whenever he was in danger.

 

[Sus]

Speaking of 3f Sukuna, can't he also just transform into his true form ? That was not an ability he gained later on, he simply stopped transforming so that he could use it whenever he was in danger.

this likely requires full control over his vessel, which he didn't have until meguna

 

[Ozcantabak]

this likely requires full control over his vessel, which he didn't have until meguna

Hmm, maybe.

 

[Nonynho]

Mahito and Yuji were massively weakened by the time Todo appeared. Todo don’t scale to any of them.

Shinjuku Todo 100% scales to Mahito, he upscales from Hanami (and even if you don't count that, his output's now 120% of what was before, after BF)

todo cant feasibly escape malevolent shrine in a 1v1

because..?

he cant use BW and SD simultaneously

where you taking that from...?
Even so, not exactly needed for the escape anyways

 

[Sus]

because thats how SD works? as far as i remember

correct me if wrong

 

[Sus]

also, like the other person said

todo had people to switch with, and when he saved them from furnace, the slashes were inactive anyway

 

[Sus]

just make a match and let people debate and vote, would be interesting

 

[Nonynho]

just make a match and let people debate and vote, would be interesting

I'd love to do it with an actual chance of it not becoming an FRA train for Sukuna with at max 42 posts, 30 being just me, you and @Arkenis
I'm pushing the Todo agenda as further as I can, gotta be realistic lol

Anyway, what if i give him Mei Mei's Crows?

 

[Sus]

FRA train for Sukuna with at max 42 posts, 30 being just me, you and @Arkenis

the yuji vs incarnated players matches

 

[Nonynho]

the yuji vs incarnated players matches

except in those i'm part of the FRA train lmao
am i a huge hypocrite? don't think so, we're all just pushing our own agendas

 

[Nonynho]

Oh yeah, and i'd like the opinion on if crows make everyone agree the match is fair

 

[Arkenis]

Its an egregious ask, but Sukuna will just kill them. Lets not twist the conditions so much to make an obvious stomp not a stomp.

 

[Sus]

Oh yeah, and i'd like the opinion on if crows make everyone agree the match is fair

if we somehow restrict domain it could be a more fair match yeah

 

[Nonynho]

Its an egregious ask, but Sukuna will just kill them. Lets not twist the conditions so much to make an obvious stomp not a stomp.

I think i made it quite clear why it is not an obvious stomp and quite likely it ain't even the case
If Sukuna already had a hard time predicting it in a stronger form, making Todo capable of even more combos should be making this a possibility

If not Mei Mei, then let's throw Choso with him, what about it?
Of course, speed equal for all 3, Sukuna's opposition have prior knowledge

 

[Arkenis]

I think i made it quite clear why it is not an obvious stomp and quite likely it ain't even the case

Talking about a regular match without all the advantages applied.

If not Mei Mei, then let's throw Choso with him, what about it?
Of course, speed equal for all 3, Sukuna's opposition have prior knowledge

Doesn't change much but sure make the match see how everyone thinks

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

the yuji vs incarnated players matches

"Huff....Huff. bring me more incarnated sorcerers. Reggie Star, Iori Hazenoki, 3F Sukuna, 16F Sukuna in Megumi's Body (Speed equalized+no domain), I'm coming for you!"

 

[Nonynho]

Talking about a regular match without all the advantages applied.

Yeah, unfortunately under SBA half my arguments are gone

 

[Sus]

16F Sukuna in Megumi's Body (Speed equalized+no domain)

don't forget nobara clutch

 

[Ozcantabak]

16F Sukuna in Megumi's Body (Speed equalized+no domain)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I have been telling you Maki is a fraud

How the actual hell did the worthless bum who abandoned his family get more votes than Maki?

 

[Electronic74947]

Mate can we just finish the dabura thread so we can make a mu with all the calamity grades

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Mate can we just finish the dabura thread so we can make a mu with all the calamity grades

Agreed. We basically have the go ahead at this point and I really want it done so I can make the Mahoraga CRT to get rid of his key splits.

 

[Sus]

heian era sukuna > modulo yuji

 

[Arkenis]

The thread complete, just someone needs to make a page .

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

How the actual hell did the worthless bum who abandoned his family get more votes than Maki?

He is glazing Yuji so deserved.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Can Mahoraga adapt to multiple things hitting him simultaneously or does he have to pick and choose which one he is adapting to at a time? Like hypothetically if he got hit with the Third Hokage's one massive barrage Jutsu from Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 which is five massive blasts of the five different main elements and he didn't die, would he only adapt to one of them or would he slightly adapt to all of them to a lesser degree?

 

[Arkenis]

Can Mahoraga adapt to multiple things hitting him simultaneously or does he have to pick and choose which one he is adapting to at a time? Like hypothetically if he got hit with the Third Hokage's one massive barrage Jutsu from Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 which is five massive blasts of the five different main elements and he didn't die, would he only adapt to one of them or would he slightly adapt to all of them to a lesser degree?

He'd adapt to the chakra itself.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

He'd adapt to the chakra itself.

That wasn't what I asked, I just used Hiruzen as a good example of someone who has multiple things in one attack.

 

[Arkenis]

That wasn't what I asked, I just used Hiruzen as a good example of someone who has multiple things in one attack.

It is. Hiruzen uses chakra, Mahoraga adapts to the chakra. If all five attacks are different, then its likely a toss up or he adapts to energy itself.

 

[Sus]

Can Mahoraga adapt to multiple things hitting him simultaneously or does he have to pick and choose which one he is adapting to at a time?

simultaneous, as shown by gojo.

 

[Sus]

with 4 spins, mahoraga adapted to infinity, red, blue and black flash

it's explicitly said that 4 spins is what it takes to bypass infinity, the rest were adapted to simply because mahoraga was exposed to them during those 4 spins

and no, mahoraga will only adapt to chakra itself if given alot of time like vs dabura