Murder drones CRT: major revisions

[Niko]

Disagree: Memory manipulation

Memory Manipulation? We be forgetting how Doll made V see her memories, AbsoluteSolver deleting N and V's memories and Uzi had to hack into their heads to save them.

 

[Soul80]

Occam's Razor isn't some logical fallacy. The idea itself is not some standard that is must be followed.

Okay so you're ignored entire context ? This is still heuristic rule of the thumb. A something which limped the decision of the prioritizing simplicities , it's still doesn't mean that we shouldn't follow it if still working on those principles which are suggesting for your argumention and their validity neither ignoring them, also nice stawman , it doesn't change the point that you're misunderstood a point of Occam razor.

What proof? The only proof the claim has is that Nori in some way was able to predict what the Absolute Solver will do at the very end. The claim is that she was injected with information via the Solver, rather than the Solver having shown her projections of that happening, or making her experience the event in her mind, both which the Solver has done previously.

This is literally ignorance of the link which was sended before and you're continue proving that you didn't read CRT at all if it's been said one of iher Pages in episode 7, it is clearly said that those information as a formulas from episode 4 which we saw in Uzi closet was sended to her memory files including the formulas which makes her go insane , "I'm going to ignore entire context and proves so I'll just continue use assumptions if it's doesn't support by any of actual evidences neither the context, reason or at least explanation why it should, that's make your assumptions just false and suggests ABSOLUTELY nothing if it's doesn't have a proves which you didn't show, I asked you multiple times to give a suistance of your claim which you still didn't.

It's not considered "more reasonable" it's considered "simpler" to follow. That's literally the entire point of Occam's Razor, assuming the simpler conclusion.

Yeah , thanks for another prove that you didn't know about Occam razor, as I said before , Occam razor reffered not only to simplification of the reason but it works, at ANY point where there is a dispute over what is true , whatever is the
most rational claim with the least presumption is correct.

Occam's razor definition: "the principle (attributed to William of Occam) that in explaining a thing no more assumptions should be made than are necessary. The principle is often invoked to defend reductionism or nominalism.

"Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose an event has two possible explanations. The explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation."

Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor) is a principle from philosophy. Suppose an event has two possible explanations. The explanation that requires the fewest assumptions is usually correct. Another way of saying it is that the more assumptions you have to make, the more unlikely an explanation

In this case it is far less of an assumption that all of contextuality and sources that absolute solver has other abilities rather than one whoch mixed with other , not your assumptions by other , it is because we didn't inknowledge them but and also has a supporting evidences which should support other abilities than simple madness manip.

Again, what do you think is simpler?

• Assuming the Solver can do something via abilities it already has.
• Assuming the Solver can do something via abilities we're never directly shown it has, and all assume it from the conclusion.

There difference between it . A theoretically assumptions only makes Those profile's condradication without more justification if there no actual a support evidences neither explanation why it should be connected to each other makes it more subjective possibility or theoretical scale , while there other option, a simple inknowledge abilities which we didn't do before, this is supporting by the fact that we didn't have much information about nature of absolute solver currently , however, this doesn't mean that we should ignore those evidences neither making a headcanons that those abilities are connected for a no vaild reason.

How does that refute anything?

Did you just ignored your own assumption ? Okay, this is absolutely doesn't go any other way if you didn't even understand the point that I'm trying to say lol, the fact that you're just didn't have a proves to simple connect the same projection creations key and illusion creation while some of them are quite different things (they're working totally different in frameworks) and you probably didn't saw a page but projection creations already been accepted a long time ago (you can check it in Doll profile) but anyway, back to the point , making illusion for her is no reason why it's been just state directly that absolute solver sended her actually information about DDS and Those formulas in pages which makes her temporally go insane, this is isn't connected ability and those of this cannot be ignored neither you're striked with curse reading comprehension cuz I'm not sure you're ACTUALLY read this thread properly.

That doesn't matter. She could've been showing Nori what she'll do at that time, as we know that event hasn't happened yet at the time of her predicting it.

What are you talking about right now ? Did you think that she sended a future events of the copper 9 or whatever ? Okay, first, this is ain't suggest anything that it's been showed a future events, absolute solver simple just sended her information about the same Dd/pets and Singularity which comes out to the copper 9 trough event's from the same earth , Nori as a a test solver host just understand it by herself that it will happen to her too in the copper 9 , one of counter points which support are Nori preparing for the absolute solver possession or the same Cyn which should create a singularity and destroy copper 9 completelly.

Literally how does them being different colors prove anything? Uzi, Doll and Cyn's Absolute Solver also have different colors, does that mean they're different powers? They're still all being done by the Solver, so it's quite literally meaningless.

Did... Did you just seriously just said that colour of the solver doesn't proved anything ? And I'm sure that you didn't even understand neither clearly read my argument and what I'm potion on.
It's just means that they have their own absolute solver which they're using at the same moment to understand who using it , at the moment when she used absolute solver we can see a Uzi purple color which should be mean that she resisting trough her own absolute solver and of it was Cyn then that's should be that absolute solver solver symbol would been a yellow instead, and no... The hell you even find that information that different colors of absolute solver=different powers lmao, no. It's just solver stabilized with drone color of eyes/visors, like : Lizzy are pink, Thad is green , Rebecca are light blue , teacher and Alice are orange at color, Khan is just... White lol. (So the same goes for Uzi and Doll, since their colour's and solvers through genes of Nori and Yeva)

Why are you mentioning Soul manipulation? Cyn doesn't even have an ability that is remotely connected to it, so your example is quite fallacious and irrelevant.

This ability already been accepted. You saying that you're neutral on everything before but ig you're sure can only continue proving that you doesn't try to read the context of the threads and just spamming random headcanons for no actually reason and I guess you should at least finally prove your burden which I told you few times to to prove that your assumptions is actually vaild or no.

Also I did explain why, unless you're incapable of understanding what a projection is.

I do, just working fundamentally different, just because you're suggesting that projection creations are equally to the soul manip while illusion creations can have variations and projection creations in most of the time working on movements of the character to create those projections , you can maybe suggest that it's subset for the same illusion creation but it's not equal ability which should mean that they're the same itself.

You're also making assumptions? You're literally assuming that she can dump information into someone's mind, rather than show them events. That's literally an assumption.

I'm not against a general assumptions, a important point how my much value it has. (a support evidences AND explanation why it's should be) And no, I don't need to assume if it's LITERALLY showed in the thread , did you even checked it a imgur links properly , seriously ? That's literally just making me think that you didn't checking links or else reading those context of the scenes at all, while yeah , not only the fact that you didn't give a proper evidences for support your reason but and also makes you think that this assumption should able to make a more sense while it's just reason for nothing.

Also, I don't start this part:

Literally what is your point here? This is a CRT, of course I'll argue my points and agree/disagree with certain stuff. You're genuinely unable to comprehend that people will argue for their points when they agree or disagree about something, like what?

It's thread ? That's doesn't mean that I can't discuss about the points which I think is incorrect , if you want to stop then sure but please don't say that I didn't argue about it for nothing cuz I simple disagree with most of ur specific there, I don't see how illusion can be related to the same memories manip or info type 1 because I can't see how it makes any actual sense if being honest

Genuinely a bunch of false equivalences.

Occam razor right here. So do you not have any of the actual refutation for your argument ? This making a whole story itself absurd but coming back to the main point, BY THAT (your )logic , it should be mean that storyline itself absurd and we should ignore most of it but again, just because it says in comedics way , doesn't mean that you should ignore it neither saying it's a gag if it's doesn't have any of actual proves just because it's preformed in comedic way which is tone of the show.

Tell me in what way is it being mentioned they're "fighting in slow-motion" even relevant to the plot or practically anything related to the story. I shouldn't even need to explain why slow-motion fight sequences are meant to be gags thrown. This is literally a common trope.

A context doesn't matter ? You seriously need a directly and straight statement which should talking about "they're fighting in slow motion" dude? That's doesn't need, we have a context for this scene, we see how J landing to Uzi in slow motion and Uzi reacted to this attack through her prepection because we saw MULTIPLE times when MD characters can react something in slow motion through their prepection , how it isn't supporting if it's literally a direct reference to common series stuff , anyway, do you have any actual arguments to say that it's "gag so it doesn't matter" ? And it's not common thing if there always absurd attacks in fiction which was preformed in comedic way but it's still serious feats which happens.

You know, ignoring the refutation and saying "I'm not bringing evidence" doesn't make you win the argument, and it doesn't also make your points work better.

Sure ig but will you do part to show me why your arguments are valid please , one of how you can do this is give me other vaild long ahh elaborate why it's suggesting as vaild or either suistances.

N wouldn't need to amplify his perception speed if he could move at said speeds, unless you're assuming for some reason N can somehow move faster than react.

THis already been refused. He didn't moved faster than his reaction otherwise it should be mean that he would dodged both Pickax and saving Uzi pretty easily but he only saved and should move fast to dodge pickaxe in point blank , Just because it's travel speed doesn't mean that he is faster than object which landing in slow motion from his prepection, by that logic, he should been able to simple catch a pickaxe before it lands to Uzi but he specifically cannot do this anyway , those two points already support that he is not faster than his reaction and can see it in slow motion.

What doesn't it explain? It explain why Uzi couldn't use the Solver to stop Alice from breaking her finger, yet she could regenerate.

Cut her fingers frist , and the second is that she couldn't directly to use solver on her because 1. She was solver host before but she was invalid host after she been affected from absolute solver possession which just making her useless from using it 2. She had details of dissembly drones (like DD tail) which unaffected by absolute solver due solver Cyn resistance. 3. It's only temporally because magnets only amped her nullification but however, this ain't downgrade bit only upgrading her resistance if she could still use her absolute solver after amped magnets through her will to save the same N from Sentinels.

Do you want to know what happens after she regenerates? SHE ATTEMPTS TO USE THE SOLVER AGAIN, AND FAILED TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

Don't know if you're wrote it in comedic way because it looks like in capital letters lmao, however that's wasn't main point because she could use it BEFORE possession but Cyn solver take a control in the most unluck time , it's doesn't downgrade again, it doesn't mean that it's condradict bathe same time when she didn't affected her solver before. And should I remind the fact that she didn't fail because Cyn started to take control at time when they got closer and closer to the church.

So how could Uzi's Solver be negated, then her regeneration worked, yet her Solver failed at working again? And we know it didn't work as there's a cut with nothing having happened, then we get Uzi being possessed by Cyn, and that's when the Solver works.

she literally used rotate and translate at time when she could give her time to effect panel in close to Alice and Bea, Bea directly saw it means that she continues to bypass amped magnets nullification when one magnet already one magnet can nullify it completely , without her will she couldn't bypass of her passive absolute solver functions

She killed them because she took their cores out of their body, and paralyzed them by putting them in an oven... We literally see her stash.

Umm, this is literally not my point which I'm talking to ? Alice has a lot knowledge about cabin fever lab since she is one of ex absolute solver host but it got invalid after they tried to connect her with absolute solver (only Nori was successful host who can connect with absolute solver) and seeing how Uzi still regenerate after it's should completely negate her solver just making her confused since it's looks like that it shouldn't happen.

What passive function? Uzi didn't use any passive functions that were negated.

Absolute solver is passive device in drones since it's always working inside them and need to support it otherwise you'll be overheated from the same lack of oil in drones.

The CRT literally mentions:

Even Kirua acknowledges DDs are limited compared to actual Solver users. So no, I'm not "contradicting" myself. You're just illiterate.

Yeah... Thank you for admitting my argument because it literally mean's that not only the fact that they should have similar solver in works because their regeneration functing trough "Mat_collection" but and also support that DDS are limited in absolute solver frameworks like standard work's of absolute solver for the administrators/zombie drones, and goes where Kirua got that information from ? The same imgur link where it says about that Solver sended those information into Nori memory files but you sure keeping saying that I'm only assuming it ( not sure if I'm backtraking but I hate the fact that YOU think that I simple assumed it from nothing lmao)

Yes, because all her attempts failed, until she got fully possessed.

Where. She. It. Says. If we saw her translate symbol still keep trying to resist a magnets nullification and affect panel around Alice and beau?

...What? What bunch of nonsense are you even smoking? The scene you linked even shows the message "error" when Uzi is using her Solver to stop Alice from breaking it. It didn't work.

Yes because Uzi bypassing nullification in this moment depends on how hard she will try to bypass trough her will. In the irst scene, where Alice used one magnet on Uzi's head, she couldn't even bypass it and it's automatically nullify her absolute solver, the secondly when Alice tried to put more magnets on her head cuz she started to resisting it probably, but after she tried to cut off her fingers, Uzi started to use her absolute solver way more harder than in her regular scale and her absolute solver started to bypass it even it's temporally.
Inn third time, she saw that in danger and started to resist those magnets because her close person was in danger so she was panicking about that Sentinels will kill him) so that's should be mean that her resistance is not a passive thing but only working temporally , I can be agree with fact that Cyn nullification are passive but Uzi resistance depends on will.

You know? Let's record all times Uzi attempted to use the Solver:

• Appears for a split second before disappearing.
• Fails at working properly, as it flickers and says "error."
• Attempts to use it, which leads for her Solver to turn yellow, signifying that Cyn is attempting to take over. Still doesn't work as there's a cut with nothing happening.
• Her eyes turn yellow, and Cyn's voice appears. Cyn has possessed her, and the Solver broke the wall.

I guess I don't need to explain twice, so here that I said about it.

I find it funny how you're practically just trying to cram as much arguments as you can into your texts for absolutely no reason.

I just disagree with your specific, so if it needs we can continue discuss because I don't see how most of your arguments make any sense anyway, but I guess you're bothering with a little discuss?

 

[Mythic381]

Memory Manipulation? We be forgetting how Doll made V see her memories, AbsoluteSolver deleting N and V's memories and Uzi had to hack into their heads to save them.

She already has memory manipulation. I'm disagreeing with the application that she gets because she just dumped information into Nori's mind.

Okay so you're ignored entire context ? This is still heuristic rule of the thumb. A something which limped the decision of the prioritizing simplicities , it's still doesn't mean that we shouldn't follow it if still working on those principles which are suggesting for your argumention and their validity neither ignoring them, also nice stawman , it doesn't change the point that you're misunderstood a point of Occam razor.

The past 2 messages you've quite literally done nothing but try to explain Occam's Razor like a true pseudo-intellectual, pretty much not answering the question I've asked.
Occam's Razor isn't some axiom that must be followed, it's literally just a suggestion, as in reality, assuming the simplest conclusion doesn't mean it's true, that's in itself a reach.

it is clearly said that those information as a formulas from episode 4 which we saw in Uzi closet was sended to her memory files including the formulas which makes her go insane , "I'm going to ignore entire context and proves so I'll just continue use assumptions if it's doesn't support by any of actual evidences neither the context, reason or at least explanation why it should, that's make your assumptions just false and suggests ABSOLUTELY nothing if it's doesn't have a proves which you didn't show, I asked you multiple times to give a suistance of your claim which you still didn't.

This doesn't prove Cyn dumped the information in her mind...? All you're doing is just using the conclusion (That Nori has information about Cyn's endgame) so it must mean that Cyn gave her information about that in a very certain way, ignoring the other various methods she could've done, from abilities she already has.

Literally just a liar saying "You don't have evidence." When Cyn literally has thsese abilities. The person without ******* evidence is the one assuming she did shit with an ability she's never shown.

Yeah , thanks for another prove that you didn't know about Occam razor, as I said before , Occam razor reffered not only to simplification of the reason but it works, at ANY point where there is a dispute over what is true , whatever is the

My explanation is quite literally how Occam's Razor is defined:

“Occam’s razor, or the principle of parsimony, tells us that the simplest, most elegant explanation is usually the one closest to the truth.”

Obviously you'll deny this being what Occam's Razor is, despite the fact that's literally it's definition, which I've accurately described several times:

It's not considered "more reasonable" it's considered "simpler" to follow. That's literally the entire point of Occam's Razor, assuming the simpler conclusion.

Notice how for the past like 2 messages, you've only been defining it, but haven't answered my question on which do you think is the simpler conclusion, why we should even follow Occam's Razor, and justify why your conclusion is simpler.

In this case it is far less of an assumption that all of contextuality and sources that absolute solver has other abilities rather than one whoch mixed with other , not your assumptions by other , it is because we didn't inknowledge them but and also has a supporting evidences which should support other abilities than simple madness manip.

Pretty sure my conclusion requires less assumptions to prove. Your conclusion requires Cyn to have a different ability. Mine requires Cyn using an ability that she was using shown on-screen which can do the same objective.

There difference between it . A theoretically assumptions only makes Those profile's condradication without more justification if there no actual a support evidences neither explanation why it should be connected to each other makes it more subjective possibility or theoretical scale , while there other option, a simple inknowledge abilities which we didn't do before, this is supporting by the fact that we didn't have much information about nature of absolute solver currently , however, this doesn't mean that we should ignore those evidences neither making a headcanons that those abilities are connected for a no vaild reason.

You quite literally have no supporting proof for why she would be able to do that besides knowing that Nori somehow predicted all of the events, which can already be done with her already existing abilities. All you're doing is cramming as much arguments as possible, with some not even relevant by the way, which you've previously done in the last matchup.

Did you just ignored your own assumption ? Okay, this is absolutely doesn't go any other way if you didn't even understand the point that I'm trying to say lol, the fact that you're just didn't have a proves to simple connect the same projection creations key and illusion creation while some of them are quite different things (they're working totally different in frameworks) and you probably didn't saw a page but projection creations already been accepted a long time ago (you can check it in Doll profile) but anyway, back to the point , making illusion for her is no reason why it's been just state directly that absolute solver sended her actually information about DDS and Those formulas in pages which makes her temporally go insane, this is isn't connected ability and those of this cannot be ignored neither you're striked with curse reading comprehension cuz I'm not sure you're ACTUALLY read this thread properly.

The only reason I "don't understand your points" is because your English is shit. Like nothing else I can say.

So you're continuing to prove you're a liar.

• Drone Physiology
• Telekinesis
• Duplication
• Weapon Creation and Matter Manipulation
• Summoning
• Electricity Manipulation
• Teleportation
• Hacking
• Regeneration
• Afterimage Creation
• Forcefield Creation
• Likely Biological Manipulation
• Likely Restoration

These are all the abilities Doll has, none of them mention projection creation.

I've already mentioned SEVERAL times before, you can show someone information via a hologram, something Cyn already has. Calling my reading comprehension "cursed" when you have zero English comprehension.

Did... Did you just seriously just said that colour of the solver doesn't proved anything ? And I'm sure that you didn't even understand neither clearly read my argument and what I'm potion on.

Yes? It doesn't prove anything, and you ignored the example I gave. If color amounted to anything, that means that Cyn, Uzi and Doll all have different abilities because all of their Solvers have different colors. It's the same literal Solver.

It's just means that they have their own absolute solver which they're using at the same moment to understand who using it ,

Literally why the **** does that matter? I just said "color of Solver doesn't prove anything" in response to you trying to prove that different colors means they're entirely different abilities. You're using an argument, and when it's replied to, use a whole ass irrelevant argument to it, like what?

at the moment when she used absolute solver we can see a Uzi purple color which should be mean that she resisting trough her own absolute solver and of it was Cyn then that's should be that absolute solver solver symbol would been a yellow instead, and no... The hell you even find that information that different colors of absolute solver=different powers lmao, no. It's just solver stabilized with drone color of eyes/visors, like : Lizzy are pink, Thad is green , Rebecca are light blue , teacher and Alice are orange at color, Khan is just... White lol. (So the same goes for Uzi and Doll, since their colour's and solvers through genes of Nori and Yeva)

Except her resistance clearly failed. Uzi still failed at destroying anything with her Solver or causing any damage. It wasn't until Cyn (yellow eyes and yellow solver appeared) that the Solver actually destroyed anything. You can't attribute that feat to Uzi.

Also I never said "different colors of absolute solver=different powers" like you keep talking about cursed reading comprehension when I was refuting that argument, not arguing it.

This ability already been accepted. You saying that you're neutral on everything before but ig you're sure can only continue proving that you doesn't try to read the context of the threads and just spamming random headcanons for no actually reason and I guess you should at least finally prove your burden which I told you few times to to prove that your assumptions is actually vaild or no.

You didn't even properly answer the question. How is soul manipulation related to this? This CRT doesn't even include it, nor does Cyn even have an ability that can justify the example she has for soul manipulation. I'm arguing that Cyn didn't dump information into her mind, because she has other abilities to show events. I'm not arguing Cyn doesn't have soul manipulation, because none of her other abilities can justify the example used to prove it.

Also, I wasn't even neutral on everything else, so again you're just lying. I agreed with 9 of the proposed abilities/resistances in OP, so keep lying I guess.

I do, just working fundamentally different, just because you're suggesting that projection creations are equally to the soul manip while illusion

What the **** is this lie? Literally show me when I ever even said that in this thread, because you're a ******* liar.

while illusion creations can have variations and projection creations in most of the time working on movements of the character to create those projections , you can maybe suggest that it's subset for the same illusion creation but it's not equal ability which should mean that they're the same itself.

Creating holograms is literally attributed to illusion creations, so I don't see what exactly are you trying to prove. What the Solver does is already attributed to it.

I'm not against a general assumptions, a important point how my much value it has. (a support evidences AND explanation why it's should be) And no, I don't need to assume if it's LITERALLY showed in the thread.

What? Yes you do, the CRT literally assumes that she did it in a specific way. That's an assumption.

did you even checked it a imgur links properly , seriously ? That's literally just making me think that you didn't checking links or else reading those context of the scenes at all, while yeah , not only the fact that you didn't give a proper evidences for support your reason but and also makes you think that this assumption should able to make a more sense while it's just reason for nothing.

The imgur links are just showing what Nori was doing, it isn't proving that the information was dumped.

It's thread ? That's doesn't mean that I can't discuss about the points which I think is incorrect , if you want to stop then sure but please don't say that I didn't argue about it for nothing cuz I simple disagree with most of ur specific there, I don't see how illusion can be related to the same memories manip or info type 1 because I can't see how it makes any actual sense if being honest

Try reading my message again a couple of times or google translate it to your language, because you didn't even take into account practically anything I said.

Occam razor right here. So do you not have any of the actual refutation for your argument ? This making a whole story itself absurd but coming back to the main point, BY THAT (your )logic , it should be mean that storyline itself absurd and we should ignore most of it but again, just because it says in comedics way , doesn't mean that you should ignore it neither saying it's a gag if it's doesn't have any of actual proves just because it's preformed in comedic way which is tone of the show.

How exactly does having an absurd plot in any way relate to it making a gag. Neither of these have any correlation. You're just attempting to find anything related to Murder Drones being absurd and automatically assuming that since both are not something natural, it means both are true.

A context doesn't matter ? You seriously need a directly and straight statement which should talking about "they're fighting in slow motion"

No? I need a statement saying that it's meant to be them viewing the fight in slow-motion, rather than it referring to the casual trope of characters fighting in slow-motion for the fight to look cool.

That's doesn't need, we have a context for this scene, we see how J landing to Uzi in slow motion and Uzi reacted to this attack through her prepection because we saw MULTIPLE times when MD characters can react something in slow motion through their prepection , how it isn't supporting if it's literally a direct reference to common series stuff , anyway, do you have any actual arguments to say that it's "gag so it doesn't matter" ? And it's not common thing if there always absurd attacks in fiction which was preformed in comedic way but it's still serious feats which happens.

Again, how does Uzi dodging an attack from J prove they were fighting in slow-motion? By your logic, neither would've been able to hit each other because their perceptions were seeing everything slow. Kind of breaks your argument.

THis already been refused.

It's not.

He didn't moved faster than his reaction otherwise it should be mean that he would dodged both Pickax and saving Uzi pretty easily but he only saved and should move fast to dodge pickaxe in point blank , Just because it's travel speed doesn't mean that he is faster than object which landing in slow motion from his prepection, by that logic, he should been able to simple catch a pickaxe before it lands to Uzi but he specifically cannot do this anyway , those two points already support that he is not faster than his reaction and can see it in slow motion.

He did move faster than his reaction though? Your example is just proving that N didn't actually see things in slow-motion, it's just proving that he was faster than the pickaxe being thrown, but wasn't fast enough to dodge it once it had almost reached Uzi. You can't be faster than something but not be able to react at that speed, that's nonsensical.

Cut her fingers frist , and the second is that she couldn't directly to use solver on her because 1. She was solver host before but she was invalid host after she been affected from absolute solver possession which just making her useless from using it 2. She had details of dissembly drones (like DD tail) which unaffected by absolute solver due solver Cyn resistance. 3. It's only temporally because magnets only amped her nullification but however, this ain't downgrade bit only upgrading her resistance if she could still use her absolute solver after amped magnets through her will to save the same N from Sentinels.

No? How is Uzi an "invalid host" that's literally just something you made up on the spot.

The second point doesn't even refute anything, it's just them having limited abilities and resistances compared to the Solver, because they're minor hosts.

How come it "upgraded" her resistance, yet she couldn't stop Alice. Bunch of nonsense istg.

Don't know if you're wrote it in comedic way because it looks like in capital letters lmao, however that's wasn't main point because she could use it BEFORE possession but Cyn solver take a control in the most unluck time , it's doesn't downgrade again, it doesn't mean that it's condradict bathe same time when she didn't affected her solver before. And should I remind the fact that she didn't fail because Cyn started to take control at time when they got closer and closer to the church.

Except she didn't use it though? Unless you're referring to the symbol appearing, which doesn't even matter. Yes, the symbol appeared, but did it actually do anything that the Solver does? Did it explode? Did it create a NULL? Did it use it's telekinesis? No? Okay, then the Solver's abilities were negated.

she literally used rotate and translate at time when she could give her time to effect panel in close to Alice and Bea, Bea directly saw it means that she continues to bypass amped magnets nullification when one magnet already one magnet can nullify it completely , without her will she couldn't bypass of her passive absolute solver functions

What does "rotate and translate" even mean in this context? You're just using random words at this point.

Umm, this is literally not my point which I'm talking to ? Alice has a lot knowledge about cabin fever lab since she is one of ex absolute solver host but it got invalid after they tried to connect her with absolute solver (only Nori was successful host who can connect with absolute solver) and seeing how Uzi still regenerate after it's should completely negate her solver just making her confused since it's looks like that it shouldn't happen.

Alice isn't an "ex solver host" nothing even proved that.

Absolute solver is passive device in drones since it's always working inside them and need to support it otherwise you'll be overheated from the same lack of oil in drones.

Passive is the opposite of aggression. How is it Uzi using it in a passive manner if she was using her telekinesis, which isn't a passive application?

Yeah... Thank you for admitting my argument because it literally mean's that not only the fact that they should have similar solver in works because their regeneration functing trough "Mat_collection" but and also support that DDS are limited in absolute solver frameworks like standard work's of absolute solver for the administrators/zombie drones

What? How do you keep talking confidently when you're just wrong.

You initially said I didn't read the CRT because DDs have enhanced senses via being minor Solver hosts, so by your logic, they would also have regeneration on the same level, however: The CRT explicitly mentions that their abilities are limited compared to actual Solver hosts, meaning Solver host's regeneration is higher.

Do you know what "limited" means?

and goes where Kirua got that information from ? The same imgur link where it says about that Solver sended those information into Nori memory files but you sure keeping saying that I'm only assuming it ( not sure if I'm backtraking but I hate the fact that YOU think that I simple assumed it from nothing lmao)

The imgur link is just proving Nori knows they're minor hosts of the Solver. I never denied that?

Where. She. It. Says. If we saw her translate symbol still keep trying to resist a magnets nullification and affect panel around Alice and beau?

Not what translate means, and she still couldn't make her Solver work. You're repeating the same argument like millions of times, and you'll get the same answer. The symbol appearing does not mean it was working, it's effects were negated.

Yes because Uzi bypassing nullification in this moment depends on how hard she will try to bypass trough her will.

You can't be incapable of using your ability, and not be given resistance to power nullification just because the symbol of your abilities appeared.

In the irst scene, where Alice used one magnet on Uzi's head, she couldn't even bypass it and it's automatically nullify her absolute solver, the secondly when Alice tried to put more magnets on her head cuz she started to resisting it probably, but after she tried to cut off her fingers, Uzi started to use her absolute solver way more harder than in her regular scale and her absolute solver started to bypass it even it's temporally.

Yes, and it still only worked when Cyn took over. So again, does not matter, the effects were negated regardless of the symbols appearing.

Inn third time, she saw that in danger and started to resist those magnets because her close person was in danger so she was panicking about that Sentinels will kill him) so that's should be mean that her resistance is not a passive thing but only working temporally , I can be agree with fact that Cyn nullification are passive but Uzi resistance depends on will.

Do you mind answering whether or not the Solver in the third instance was becoming yellow or not, it was? Yes, because Cyn was taking over, and we know Cyn can bypass those magnets.

I just disagree with your specific, so if it needs we can continue discuss because I don't see how most of your arguments make any sense anyway, but I guess you're bothering with a little discuss?

I'm not bothered with the discussion, I'm bothered with you cramming every small detail to make your arguments excessive in size.

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

My guudness biscuits, this is too much text!

 

[Mythic381]

My guudness biscuits, this is too much text!

"Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway."

 

[Starfall-Endowment]

"Easier to assimilate than explain, anyway."

True.

 

[Niko]

She already has memory manipulation. I'm disagreeing with the application that she gets because she just dumped information into Nori's mind.

This?

"She was all... Build doors against the coming sky demons!" said enough, gotta remember Nori drew so many pages of singularity and stuff after becoming a solver or infected, all that information came from the solver.

 

[Mythic381]

"She was all... Build doors against the coming sky demons!" said enough, gotta remember Nori drew so many pages of singularity and stuff after becoming a solver or infected, all that information came from the solver.

My point is that the Solver has shown capabilities of creating holograms and being able to make characters perceive events. Either of those could've been used to share information, rather than assuming she just injected it into her mind.

Her also being previously possessed by Cyn could one of the reasons, as she might've remembered some things.

 

[Niko]

My point is that the Solver has shown capabilities of creating holograms and being able to make characters perceive events. Either of those could've been used to share information, rather than assuming she just injected it into her mind.

What does holograms got to do with this??? Sounds like headcanon.

Her also being previously possessed by Cyn could one of the reasons, as she might've remembered some things.

Remembered? as if you assumed Nori had amnesia?

 

[Niko]

What does "rotate and translate" even mean in this context? You're just using random words at this point.

They are names of the solver modes.

 

[Mythic381]

What does holograms got to do with this???

Eldritch J was able to show holograms of a fake Thad. Why makes you think they were incapable of showing Nori how the events would've played out?

Remembered? as if you assumed Nori had amnesia?

Remembered because as I said, she could've remembered it while Cyn was in control. Cyn was the one in control of her full consciousness, as someone like Uzi wasn't able to fully remember when Cyn controlled her, even using her Solver without hesitation despite the fact Cyn possessed her last time when she tried to use it against Alice.

 

[Niko]

Eldritch J was able to show holograms of a fake Thad. Why makes you think they were incapable of showing Nori how the events would've played out?

That scene had nothing to do with memory manipulation

Remembered because as I said, she could've remembered it while Cyn was in control. Cyn was the one in control of her full consciousness, as someone like Uzi wasn't able to fully remember when Cyn controlled her, even using her Solver without hesitation despite the fact Cyn possessed her last time when she tried to use it against Alice.

I don't know what you're trying to say, I believe you just proved the OP's point.

Madness manipulation - memory manipulation - info type 1:

Basically, the Absolute Solver can inject information into Nori’s memories, which should make her go insane. After this, she started to write relativity formulas from her memories, including future events like the prediction of Disassembly Drones and the coming singularity with tentacles on Copper 9.

It should apply to Uzi (final key), as she merged with Cyn’s Absolute Solver.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

@Mythic381

You're just illiterate.

Literally just a liar saying "You don't have evidence." When Cyn literally has thsese abilities. The person without ******* evidence is the one assuming she did shit with an ability she's never shown.

The only reason I "don't understand your points" is because your English is shit. Like nothing else I can say.

So you're continuing to prove you're a liar.

Also, I wasn't even neutral on everything else, so again you're just lying. I agreed with 9 of the proposed abilities/resistances in OP, so keep lying I guess.

What the ** is this lie? Literally show me when I ever even said that in this thread, because you're a ***** liar.

You can refute the arguments without name-calling and pointless accusations. Stay on topic, be classy. Reminder that being respectful and reasonable is part of our rules. You can just show your scans showing their arguments are wrong and move on.

 

[Kirua29]

@Mythic381


You can refute the arguments without name-calling and pointless accusations. Stay on topic, be classy. Reminder that being respectful and reasonable is part of our rules. You can just show your scans showing their arguments are wrong and move on.

Thanks you for your help

 

[Mythic381]

That scene had nothing to do with memory manipulation

What? How is that even relevant to my argument? The argument in question is that

What Cyn has:

• Memory Manipulation (Can digitally lobotomized N to make him lose his memories)

What is being argued for Cyn to also have

Cyn should get memory manipulation via being able to inject information into Nori.

I disagree with the notion that Cyn injected information into Nori's mind, via the fact the Absolute Solver can:

• Make characters experience events.
• Can create holograms.
• Can possess people.

All these instances can indirectly give information to people without literally injecting the formation. The first two cases are just showing the events, the final one is Nori possibly remembering events that the Solver planned.

I don't know what you're trying to say, I believe you just proved the OP's point.

You don't know what I'm saying, but you apparently know I'm proving the OP?

The OP is assuming that Cyn can just inject information. My point is that Nori could've remembered what Cyn was planning when she possessed her. This could possibly be some sort of memory manipulation, but it's different from what the OP is suggesting.

 

[Mythic381]

@Mythic381


You can refute the arguments without name-calling and pointless accusations. Stay on topic, be classy. Reminder that being respectful and reasonable is part of our rules. You can just show your scans showing their arguments are wrong and move on.

I apologize for that. Though I do want to point out that he wasn't being exactly nice either with his accusations.

 

[Soul80]

I apologize for that. Though I do want to point out that he wasn't being exactly nice either with his accusations.

I thought to respond but I saw your aggression towards me , you're start to call me lier while I literally did nothing to you but just discussed, insulted my English while it's not my general language so that's why I have poor knowledge, I don't see a reason to respond your argument if it's simple just a negativity.

Just imagine crashing out over a fictional topics.

 

[Mythic381]

Anyways, I won't respond anymore to this thread and will leave it for moderators to evaluate it. I've already put up my stance and made my arguments clear.

 

[Soul80]

Bump

 

[Niko]

I now know why no mods are coming. They're told not to touch this thread.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I now know why no mods are coming. They're told not to touch this thread.

Why?

 

[Mythic381]

Why?

It's a joke

 

[Kirua29]

Bump

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Has anything proposed to OP been argued down, or is everything still the same?

 

[Mythic381]

Has anything proposed to OP been argued down, or is everything still the same?

Nothing in OP has changed. You can check some of the disagreements on certain stuff though:

• Intelligence
• Range
• Some abilities

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

All the abilities, aside from Madness Manipulation, seem fine. I disagree with Uzi having Power Nullification since it was only because of the Solver that she could do that.

Just make sure the range is stated to be via Teleportation. Also, the calc needs to be verified before it can be used.

Everything else seems good.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

All the abilities, aside from Madness Manipulation, seem fine. I disagree with Uzi having Power Nullification since it was only because of the Solver that she could do that.

Just make sure the range is stated to be via Teleportation. Also, the calc needs to be verified before it can be used.

Everything else seems good.

Do you mean the Solver as an entity or because or Uzi using the Solver (I'm assuming it's the first one because the latter doesn't make sense as a disagreement).

Isn't the crater not accepted as being accurate anymore? Also, what about my arguments against the range here? (There being a slight time skip meaning Doll might not have teleported there in one go, Doll not being able to teleport to the surface in ep 7, and Cyn and Nori needing to make holes to physically go down to reach the center of the planet)

I'm not sure if J welding a ship together can get anything above gifted at best. (I did make some justifications for higher intelligence/skill here though)

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Do you mean the Solver as an entity or because or Uzi using the Solver (I'm assuming it's the first one because the latter doesn't make sense as a disagreement).

Yes, it's because the Solver (Entity) intervened that Uzi was able to use her powers with the magnets.

Isn't the crater not accepted as being accurate anymore? Also, what about my arguments against the range here? (There being a slight time skip meaning Doll might not have teleported there in one go, Doll not being able to teleport to the surface in ep 7, and Cyn and Nori needing to make holes to physically go down to reach the center of the planet)

If things have been retconned, and there's no actual evidence of her teleporting that distance, then never mind.

I'm not sure if J welding a ship together can get anything above gifted at best. (I did make some justifications for higher intelligence/skill here though)

Being able to fix a spaceship would count as above Gifted. As for your other justifications, OP would either need to add them to the CRT or create another CRT to add them.

 

[Kirua29]

I disagree with Uzi having Power Nullification since it was only because of the Solver that she could do that.

I don't really understand the point, seeing as how all the characters in Murder Drones get their powers from the Absolute Solver. So yes, it's thanks to the solver that she can do that, like absolutely everyone else, and that's not why she can't do it, she still remains within her abilities.

Just make sure the range is stated to be via Teleportation. Also, the calc needs to be verified before it can be used.

For this it seems to me that there is no need to verify a cgm, given that it is not a question of calculating the ap, but just a distance, which is a very simple calculation, in any case that is what several members of vsbw told me, but if in doubt I will question antvasima. And to answer the point of moon crasher, it is not based on the size of the crater which it debunk but just on the explosion itself which it never received the slightest debunk.

Everything else seems good.

Thanks for your help.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Being able to fix a spaceship would count as above Gifted. As for your other justifications, OP would either need to add them to the CRT or create another CRT to add them.

J technically didn't fully fix the spaceship (we only see her welding it together), and we don't have a full timeframe.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I don't really understand the point, seeing as how all the characters in Murder Drones get their powers from the Absolute Solver. So yes, it's thanks to the solver that she can do that, like absolutely everyone else, and that's not why she can't do it, she still remains within her abilities.

She couldn't do it on her own until the Solver took control over her.

For this it seems to me that there is no need to verify a cgm, given that it is not a question of calculating the ap, but just a distance, which is a very simple calculation, in any case that is what several members of vsbw told me, but if in doubt I will question antvasima. And to answer the point of moon crasher, it is not based on the size of the crater which it debunk but just on the explosion itself which it never received the slightest debunk.

Every calc used on a profile needs to be checked by a CGM.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

J technically didn't fully fix the spaceship (we only see her welding it together), and we don't have a full timeframe.

Timeframe isn't really relevant, but the fact that it could just be welding is true. So maybe Possibly Genius?

 

[Kirua29]

Being able to fix a spaceship would count as above Gifted. As for your other justifications, OP would either need to add them to the CRT or create another CRT to add them.

Ah and also for that, I had already explained that the pod in question is a superior technology which exceeds our reality, given that it has an MFTL speed, so it should be classified as at least genius.

 

[Kirua29]

She couldn't do it on her own until the Solver took control over her.

Yes, but in this case uzi has her prime should be able to do it, because she is considered equal to or greater than cyn at the end of the series.

Every calc used on a profile needs to be checked by a CGM.

My bad, i didn't know that.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Yes, but in this case uzi has her prime should be able to do it, because she is considered equal to or greater than cyn at the end of the series.

As long as you only apply it to her last key, then it's fine.

 

[Kirua29]

As long as you only apply it to her last key, then it's fine.

Did you talk about after absorbing the solver? “Fused with the Absolute Solver” or the form she had when she fought Cyn in episode 8? So “Absolute Solver Abilities”?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Did you talk about after absorbing the solver? “Fused with the Absolute Solver” or the form she had when she fought Cyn in episode 8? So “Absolute Solver Abilities”?

Her very last key, fused with the Solver.

It's pretty clear that Cyn is superior to Uzi in all the other parts of the series, and she only beats her by predicting her movements.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Her very last key, fused with the Solver.

It's pretty clear that Cyn is superior to Uzi in all the other parts of the series, and she only beats her by predicting her movements.

Isn't that more of her physical strength and her Solver's power? Would that be relevant to hax resistance (we see eldritch V resist/break out of Cyn's hacking/mind control in ep 5 and she's weaker than Murder Drone V, who is weaker than Uzi).

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Isn't that more of her physical strength and her Solver's power? Would that be relevant to hax resistance (we see eldritch V resist/break out of Cyn's hacking/mind control in ep 5 and she's weaker than Murder Drone V, who is weaker than Uzi).

Whether it’s her proficiency with the Solver, her combat skill, the fact that she could outright catch and destroy Uzi’s Null, or the fact that it took a 3v1 to bring her down, Cyn is clearly superior in that battle, both physically and in her use of the Solver.

Until Uzi fuses with the Solver, I see no reason to assume that any of Cyn’s resistance feats should scale to Uzi.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Ah and also for that, I had already explained that the pod in question is a superior technology which exceeds our reality, given that it has an MFTL speed, so it should be classified as at least genius.

Do you want to add my list of supporting intelligence/skill showings, or should it be its own CRT? (Should I put the list on a blog that can be put on the verse page if accepted too?)