Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Arkenis]

only like 5 times

What chapter are these said in?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

What chapter are these said in?

Someone hasn't read Modulo Chapter 36 and 42

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

We're reaching new heights

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

If I see this one more time 🫩
Verses literally be having entire tier gaps between training arcs but you don’t see people saying “it’s unreasonable for them to get a million times stronger in a small period of time”
Cus obviously, the author doesn’t always know the numeral difference between feats.

same human being who believes the human pillow scales to maki
keep that same energy

 

[Sus]

skibidi toilet

 

[BiggestOpp]

same human being who believes the human pillow scales to maki
keep that same energy

Maki doesn’t reinforce her body with CE, so Naoya damaging her in the way he did is genuine scale. Don’t be obtuse

 

[Sus]

characters are closer in stats to eachother than yall make it out to be, only sukuna and gojo massively surpass everyone else

 

[Nonynho]

only sukuna

I'll find a way to make the majority of you agree with me 3F Sukuna is a Todo victim

 

[Sus]

I'll find a way to make the majority of you agree with me 3F Sukuna is a Todo victim

todo is gonna replace his ass with a vibraslap after this

 

[Nonynho]

todo is gonna replace his ass with a vibraslap after this

Todo buying vibraslaps after the fight according to Sus when in reality Sukuna's getting what Mai experienced and also falls in love with a J-Pop icon:

 

[Shey]

High tiers 7C, God tiers 7C and King Dabura 7A

What are the high tiers going to be scaling to and why are they the same with Gojo and Sukuna

 

[Arkenis]

What are the high tiers going to be scaling to and why are they the same with Gojo and Sukuna

Idk tbh, there's Uraume's snow storm but I doubt that'll work for general scaling, and the Earthquake Gojo did might get changed whenever ppl focus on the earthquake thread.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I guess JJK won't be settling down on any values any time soon.

 

[Nonynho]

guys, tell me:

Am i a typical illiterate jjk fan or did Todo barely dodge a Sukuna Black Flash, the one that f*ed his Vibraslap and then tanked one a bit after, defending the angel???

 

[Arkenis]

guys, tell me:

Am i a typical illiterate jjk fan or did Todo barely dodge a Sukuna Black Flash, the one that f*ed his Vibraslap and then tanked one a bit after, defending the angel???

Todo says he was late to hitting it so he didn't even dodge. I wouldn't say tank for the second one either, the first one already left a big bruise on his chest and the second knocked him out.

 

[Nonynho]

Todo says he was late to hitting it so he didn't even dodge. I wouldn't say tank for the second one either, the first one already left a big bruise on his chest and the second knocked him out.

Still means that key of his needed technically 2 BFs to get him down
meaning he is more than matchable statswise with 3f

 

[Sus]

whats todos response to invisible slashes that blitzes him?

 

[Arkenis]

Still means that key of his needed technically 2 BFs to get him down
meaning he is more than matchable statswise with 3f

Even that Todo probably gets blitzed and domain diffed ngl. I think you're forgetting 3f Sukuna is relative to Mahoraga and comparable to Jogo or somewhat below. On page it looks cool but basic reading gets Todo getting slapped really fast.

 

[Nonynho]

whats todos response to invisible slashes that blitzes him?

Even that Todo probably gets blitzed

Speed equal and prior knowledge tho

I think you're forgetting 3f Sukuna is relative to Mahoraga and comparable to Jogo or somewhat below.

Jogo is not astronomically above Mahito, and Shinjuku Todo scales to the latter with even the possibility of Black Flash(es) happening
Boogie Woogie has shown to be a plausible response for Domain, Todo also has Simple Domain so MShrine is not an immediate death sentence
And even a faster, stronger, etc tired FP Sukuna had difficulty to keep up with Boogie Woogie, while in this situation i'd be giving Prior Know. for Todo

I'm positive this is a fair match, 100%

 

[Arkenis]

Speed equal and prior knowledge tho

They can amp their speed.

Jogo is not astronomically above Mahito, and Shinjuku Todo scales to the latter with even the possibility of Black Flash(es) happening

In ap he def is.

Boogie Woogie has shown to be a plausible response for Domain, Todo also has Simple Domain so MShrine is not an immediate death sentence

He can just expand it or hit domain again

And even a faster, stronger, etc tired FP Sukuna had difficulty to keep up with Boogie Woogie, while in this situation i'd be giving Prior Know. for Todo

So a tired one did not a full power 3f Sukuna. Prior knowledge won't help him not get hit by dismantle

 

[Nonynho]

In ap he def is.

please elaborate on the scaling chain, because IMO the disaster curses were all more or less on the same place with tiny diffs between them

He can just expand it or hit domain again

And BW still is an answer for it

So a tired one did not a full power 3f Sukuna. Prior knowledge won't help him not get hit by dismantle

Legit didn't understand what you mean; Yes it does, since he is someone who don't approach fights recklessly and knowing what waits for him makes him adapt more and more his strategy to make BW harder to keep up with. Worked with Hanami and helped a lot against Mahito and TFP Sukuna

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Jogo downplay in this era?

 

[Nonynho]

Jogo downplay in this era?

no joke, i just thought there was a bit of difference between them, to hear Jogo is significantly stronger than Mahito is news to me, ngl

 

[Arkenis]

please elaborate on the scaling chain, because IMO the disaster curses were all more or less on the same place with tiny diffs between them

Jogo's considered the speedster of the group by Dagon, being compared to the fastest sorcerer. Jogo's the one recognized being among the strong and compared to past sorcerers Sukuna fought. They aren't comparable, they just have different things that make them better in ways. Mahito's got higher potential, Jogo's a powerhouse and speedster, Dagon's got boundless hp. We saw what Jogo did to Naobito and Nanami from a simple flame attack versus the shit he did on Sukuna. And you're tryna separate this as just stats but Gojo, Mahtito and Sukuna's statements for Jogo are with full knowledge that he has a domain and that he's above someone like Hanami.

 

[Arkenis]

no joke, i just thought there was a bit of difference between them, to hear Jogo is significantly stronger than Mahito is news to me, ngl

agenda pushers did a number on Jogo's ranking

 

[Nonynho]

Jogo's considered the speedster of the group by Dagon, being compared to the fastest sorcerer. Jogo's the one recognized being among the strong and compared to past sorcerers Sukuna fought. They aren't comparable, they just have different things that make them better in ways. Mahito's got higher potential, Jogo's a powerhouse and speedster, Dagon's got boundless hp. We saw what Jogo did to Naobito and Nanami from a simple flame attack versus the shit he did on Sukuna. And you're tryna separate this as just stats but Gojo, Mahtito and Sukuna's statements for Jogo are with full knowledge that he has a domain and that he's above someone like Hanami.

[Jogo, 3F and Shinjuku Todo > Hanami] = True

[16F >= Jogo >= 3F] = True

[Jogo >= Todo BF > Mahito >= Shinjuku Todo] = True

So [Todo BF >= 3F >= Shinjuku Todo] = True


And Todo has the durability to tank a BF from TFP (with 2 knocking him out), so he should be only 100% dead if he fails to escape the domain and Dismantle, with other moves having to hit way more than once to kill, also having a cursed technique hard to keep up with, even for stronger people, and that can counter Sukuna's kit, while also having Black Flash as a possibility and an usual strategy that has high likelyhood of being able to tire Sukuna after constant need of RCT, attacks and possibility of dodging the domain

 

[Arkenis]

And Todo has the durability to tank a BF from TFP (with 2 knocking him out), so he should be only 100% dead if he fails to escape the domain and Dismantle, with other moves having to hit way more than once to kill, also having a cursed technique hard to keep up with, even for stronger people, and that can counter Sukuna's kit, while also having Black Flash as a possibility and an usual strategy that has high likelyhood of being able to tire Sukuna after constant need of RCT, attacks and possibility of dodging the domain

Nah Sukuna likely having relative ce to Jogo and enough to domain, his cleaves should be able to fatally wound Todo. Sukuna won't need to rct if he just blocks with dismantle wall or evades. Meanwhile every big hit Sukuna lands on Todo, he won't be able to heal from. And Sukuna's domain should just be faster than Todo's reactions too.

 

[LIGHTYW]

characters are closer in stats to eachother than yall make it out to be, only sukuna and gojo massively surpass everyone else

ONLY SUKUNA, GOJO AND KASHIMO**

 

[Nonynho]

Nah Sukuna likely having relative ce to Jogo and enough to domain, his cleaves should be able to fatally wound Todo.

if they hit
And also they shouldn't be able to fatally hit him since they aren't that distant to one another
Though Todo can't eat them too

Sukuna won't need to rct if he just blocks with dismantle wall or evades.

Which helps burning him up stamina-wise, actually helping Todo's main wincon

And Sukuna's domain should just be faster than Todo's reactions too.

Domains buff speed, yeah
And Todo has been able to answer before to someone with speed relative to him getting to use domain, either by using BW or Simple Domain (and nothing's impeding him to do both, though SD affects how effective BW can be, does not negate its usage)
So it shouldn't be the case

 

[Arkenis]

if they hit
And also they shouldn't be able to fatally hit him since they aren't that distant to one another
Though Todo can't eat them too

Sukuna's speed lets him get near pretty easy.

Which helps burning him up stamina-wise, actually helping Todo's main wincon

How he can survive without a heart. Whatever Todo does needs to be above that lmao.

Domains buff speed, yeah

No the activation.

And Todo has been able to answer before to someone with speed relative to him getting to use domain, either by using BW or Simple Domain (and nothing's impeding him to do both, though SD affects how effective BW can be, does not negate its usage)

Sukuna just moves with his domain or teleports it onto Todo I can't even lie. And SD gets shredded, it also limits him from using BW which Sukuna will take advantage of.

 

[Nonynho]

Sukuna's speed lets him get near pretty easy.

Don't see Acc. Develop. or anything stating to buff him and the only things of higher speed are CE attacks, which Todo can also react to pretty well
And if he ever gets near, BW is always an option to get an upper hand in CQC

How he can survive without a heart. Whatever Todo does needs to be above that lmao.

By having prior knowledge, Todo can keep attacking and screwing up his brain or gut (which subsequent attacks normally do), f*ing him up even more if failed Domain attempts happen and after every RCT usage

Weaknesses: Like all sorcerers, Sukuna's control of Cursed Energy comes from his gut; thus, destroying his gut or brain can completely stop him from using Cursed Energy and Reverse Cursed Technique. One can target the neck to stop the application of Reverse Cursed Technique from the neck down as well. After Domain Expansion, his Cursed Technique is burnt out and requires a short duration to recover.

Sukuna just moves with his domain or teleports it onto Todo I can't even lie.

Range: [...] At least Hundreds of Meters in Shinjuku, likely Hundreds of Kilometers

Range: Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Dismantle and Cleave, Hundreds of Meters with Malevolent Shrine [200m]

Not happening in any effective way, and is another thing that can and will tire Sukuna out, leaving space(s) for Todo to beat his ass

And SD gets shredded, it also limits him from using BW which Sukuna will take advantage of.

After he gets out of the domain, Sukuna won't have time or energy to try and take advantage of this, if he gets to know about it since Todo can just get out with BW

 

[Nonynho]

As he's weaker in all senses, it is reasonable af to say he's capable of using less RCT and Domain(s) until getting tired, and likely the time after the domain until he's able to use RCT is higher too

 

[Nonynho]

Another another thing: TFP Sukuna thought to himself that

So by Todo's constant punching, eventually he can get through Sukuna's RCT in his ever-weaker-than-that version who doesn't even have HWB

Edit: Just to be fully clear, i'm pulling this evidence to say it based on what i proved earlier, that S-Todo's AP is relative to 3F's

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Another another thing: TFP Sukuna thought to himself that

So by Todo's constant punching, eventually he can get through Sukuna's RCT in his ever-weaker-than-that version who doesn't even have HWB

Edit: Just to be fully clear, i'm pulling this evidence to say it based on what i proved earlier, that S-Todo's AP is relative to 3F's

That's not what it's saying

 

[Nonynho]

That's not what it's saying

Apologies, then

What it actually say contradicts the line of thought i brought up?

 

[Arkenis]

Don't see Acc. Develop. or anything stating to buff him and the only things of higher speed are CE attacks, which Todo can also react to pretty well
And if he ever gets near, BW is always an option to get an upper hand in CQC

AD is a standard sorcerers have also, just not really what I'm talking about here anyway. I'm referring to stat amp. The ce page should have it listed sorcerers enhance themselves through ce. Remember how post Gojo Sukuna was always fluctuating and not trying or how better control further amps you.

By having prior knowledge, Todo can keep attacking and screwing up his brain or gut (which subsequent attacks normally do), f*ing him up even more if failed Domain attempts happen and after every RCT usage

1v1 BW isn't going to help ngl. Idk where you got this argument, but it only worked well cuz he had another thing to swap with. Just swapping Sukuna and himself won't really let him land the hits we saw. This is gonna burn out BW faster than Sukuna will ever feel anything fatal.

Not happening in any effective way, and is another thing that can and will tire Sukuna out, leaving space(s) for Todo to beat his ass

You can't just cite their ranges as if it proves something. Todo has no reason to swap himself hundreds of km away from Sukuna or swap Sukuna away. That sounds like defeat if anything. Plus we got no clue if that requires more ce to do so.

After he gets out of the domain, Sukuna won't have time or energy to try and take advantage of this, if he gets to know about it since Todo can just get out with BW

The domain isn't gonna make Sukuna fatigued so wdym time or energy? He's far faster than Todo so he will have the time also.

 

[Nonynho]

AD is a standard sorcerers have also, just not really what I'm talking about here anyway. I'm referring to stat amp. The ce page should have it listed sorcerers enhance themselves through ce. Remember how post Gojo Sukuna was always fluctuating and not trying or how better control further amps you.

Then you mean something that applies to Todo too

1v1 BW isn't going to help ngl. Idk where you got this argument, but it only worked well cuz he had another thing to swap with. Just swapping Sukuna and himself won't really let him land the hits we saw. This is gonna burn out BW faster than Sukuna will ever feel anything fatal.

Knowing he's alone and that he throws a dangerous move live Dismantle, changing himself with Sukuna at the last moment can get Sukuna hit with Cleave(s) and Dismantle(s)
He can also change places with Sukuna's moves, as its only limiter is changing places with something with CE

That sounds like defeat if anything. Plus we got no clue if that requires more ce to do so.

Self-BFR would require 24h away, which obviously won't happen; Even assuming it does, won't be tiring him out by happening once or twice

The domain isn't gonna make Sukuna fatigued so wdym time or energy?

After the MS he gets tired, no? Even if not, he won't have it making any effect on Todo and the lack of RCT can give the latter the opportunity for a kill

You can't just cite their ranges as if it proves something. Todo has no reason to swap himself hundreds of km away from Sukuna or swap Sukuna away.

Avoiding the effect of the most menacing domain ever seems like enough of a reason

 

[Arkenis]

Then you mean something that applies to Todo too

Yeah, only difference is Sukuna's amps amp from his actual base, not Todo's.

Knowing he's alone and that he throws a dangerous move live Dismantle, changing himself with Sukuna at the last moment can get Sukuna hit with Cleave(s) and Dismantle(s)
He can also change places with Sukuna's moves, as its only limiter is changing places with something with CE

Nah, Todo won't know when its coming. You don't get hit by cleave, that just gets applied on contact meaning if they swap it doesn't happen.

Self-BFR would require 24h away, which obviously won't happen; Even assuming it does, won't be tiring him out by happening once or twice

Can Todo run hundreds of km in 24hrs? Maybe like 70 in a couple. This just means they both regain stamina.

After the MS he gets tired, no? Even if not, he won't have it making any effect on Todo and the lack of RCT can give the latter the opportunity for a kill

No. He did it on the fb, ripped out his heart and fought Megumi. Domain just burns out ct mostly. He can RCT. And he doesn't need to, whatever Todo does needs to exceed a ripped out heart otherwise its not gonna drain rct much.

Avoiding the effect of the most menacing domain ever seems like enough of a reason

Then this just sounds like they keep getting time to regain their stamina cuz Todo ******* out.

 

[Nonynho]

Yeah, only difference is Sukuna's amps amp from his actual base, not Todo's.

No irony: going by what you said, better CE manip is what gives that amp, and that should apply for Todo too
And they'd both be applying from Base, dunno which other base would we have

Nah, Todo won't know when its coming.

He can assume based on the Prior Knowledge and eventually he'll be correct, because all you gotta do is predict when will he throw the move that would f* you up and switch so he gets f*ed up by it.
Remember a stronger version of him remarked how hard it was to keep up and had troubles with feints

Can Todo run hundreds of km in 24hrs? Maybe like 70 in a couple. This just means they both regain stamina.

Sukuna should be burning more than him due to how many times he'll throw dismantle and cleave and have to use RCT and at least one failed domain attempt. That all not even counting RCT recovery after a Black Flash, which may happen more than once.
We saw not a ridiculous amount of them getting him tired so it should be a low amount being able to be used here

No. He did it on the fb, ripped out his heart and fought Megumi. Domain just burns out ct mostly. He can RCT. And he doesn't need to, whatever Todo does needs to exceed a ripped out heart otherwise its not gonna drain rct much.

Black Flash(es) are very likely and them being anywhere (most likely at the gut and/or the head, damaging the brain) added up to successive damage to the head and gut can be enough.
And even short but constant drain of Sukuna's RCT, added with healing from Black Flash(es), added with his moves, added with failed Domain? That is significant af

(This debate's being good imo, i hope it is the same for you, most people would've already lost patience so i gotta say that i appreciate your time and effort)

 

[Arkenis]

No irony: going by what you said, better CE manip is what gives that amp, and that should apply for Todo too
And they'd both be applying from Base, dunno which other base would we have

Sukuna has better manip. So he'd amp himself far higher than Todo could.

He can assume based on the Prior Knowledge and eventually he'll be correct, because all you gotta do is predict when will he throw the move that would f* you up and switch so he gets f*ed up by it.
Remember a stronger version of him remarked how hard it was to keep up and had troubles with feints

Did Todo ever predict dismantle? Doesn't matter if he's stronger, and I already said this won't be like the other fights because Todo won't have Yuji, Yuta's domain fragments or crows to work with. He'll have to use rocks or other stuff which will be much easier to predict and harder to set up in a 1v1.

Sukuna should be burning more than him due to how many times he'll throw dismantle and cleave and have to use RCT and at least one failed domain attempt. That all not even counting RCT recovery after a Black Flash, which may happen more than once.
We saw not a ridiculous amount of them getting him tired so it should be a low amount being able to be used here

No he won't. Sukuna is a god at manipulation, he will always outlast everyone besides Gojo. Are you saying Todo will hit bf? Can easily see Sukuna doing it too.

Black Flash(es) are very likely and them being anywhere (most likely at the gut and/or the head, damaging the brain) added up to successive damage to the head and gut can be enough.

Doubtful since its Sukuna, he just tanks it and keeps going. He can survive without his heart, I doubt he'd be affected by a bf hit. But still they're likely for Sukuna too.

And even short but constant drain of Sukuna's RCT, added with healing from Black Flash(es), added with his moves, added with failed Domain? That is significant af

I think you're just forgetting that Sukuna will land hits too and Todo can't heal from those. You're talking about attrition with Sukuna, even 3f Sukuna will be fine against Todo.