Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

[Deonment]

So, number 3 in 8-C either gets petrified by Gorgons or just deadass can't do anything to Wraiths. But 4 and 5 have nonexistent for their information/concept and can't be affected by the GoW monsters for the most part. So how does this work?

I mean im gonna be plain I'm not even sure why the president is still that high up in the list from what I remember of the last time i read the gamer, but Shana prolly beats him, and apparently just starts with time stop off rip so I'm not sure the GoW people actually win there
(also what do you mean nonexistent information/concept for nuclear throne? They just hit you with radiation so potent it can kill people literally made out of the stuff)

 

[Planck69]

I mean im gonna be plain I'm not even sure why the president is still that high up in the list from what I remember of the last time i read the gamer, but Shana prolly beats him, and apparently just starts with time stop off rip so I'm not sure the GoW people actually win there
(also what do you mean nonexistent information/concept for nuclear throne? They just hit you with radiation so potent it can kill people literally made out of the stuff)

I meant for Shana, forgot about Nuclear Throne. As for Prez, looking at a Gorgon would do him in instantly, since it also applies to just looking at them, rather than their beams.

If that's the best Nuclear Throne has then it should probably be Shana, then the monsters then prez or Nuclear Throne. Prolly prez cause of his regen + immortality.

 

[Lou_change]

Shana's NEP is said to "drastically reducing the effect they have on it through their actions" it be being the world and they can also alter the degree of nonexistence.

 

[Planck69]

Shana's NEP is said to "drastically reducing the effect they have on it through their actions" it be being the world and they can also alter the degree of nonexistence.

Is this an argument that she loses to prez/the monsters?

 

[Deonment]

If that's the best Nuclear Throne has then it should probably be Shana, then the monsters then prez or Nuclear Throne. Prolly prez cause of his regen + immortality.

The president's regen is not all that, it still takes his a noticeable amount of time to come back and nuclear throne one touches him, especially the throne itself

 

[Lou_change]

Is this an argument that she loses to prez/the monsters?

No just trying to figure out context it's not particularly clear

 

[Planck69]

The president's regen is not all that, it still takes his a noticeable amount of time to come back and nuclear throne one touches him, especially the throne itself

Hm, then it should probably be;

3. Shana_(Shakugan_no_Shana)
4.Characters from God of War (Sirens, Wraiths, and Gorgons)
5. Characters from Nuclear Throne
6. The President (The Gamer)

Also, is there smth special I'm missing about Kim? At a glance, that 8-C key seems to not have an answer to Shana or a Wraith/Gorgon/Siren.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Hm, then it should probably be;

3. Shana_(Shakugan_no_Shana)
4.Characters from God of War (Sirens, Wraiths, and Gorgons)
5. Characters from Nuclear Throne
6. The President (The Gamer)

Also, is there smth special I'm missing about Kim? At a glance, that 8-C key seems to not have an answer to Shana or a Wraith/Gorgon/Siren.

You're not missing much on Kim, he just weaseled an incon on Trazyn and beat Nuclear Throne.

 

[Planck69]

You're not missing much on Kim, he just weaseled an incon on Trazyn and beat Nuclear Throne.

Looking at his profle, he doesn't have an answer for President's time stop either. So he loses to No.3 through 6.

Also, have to ask it for posterity but does Trazyn handle sight-based petrification?

 

[Lou_change]

He technically has the unused wish would that be anything.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Looking at his profle, he doesn't have an answer for President's time stop either. So he loses to No.3 through 6.

Also, have to ask it for posterity but does Trazyn handle sight-based petrification?

By being a robot with no proper soul, mind, or eyes to speak of.

 

[Planck69]

He technically has the unused wish would that be anything.

Pretty sure most of the chars just kill him before he pops the wish.

 

[Planck69]

By being a robot with no proper soul, mind, or eyes to speak of.

Gorgons can petrify statues and automatons. And it also works on being looked at and looking at them.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gorgons can petrify statues and automatons.

And those are basically magic.

And it also works on being looked at and looking at them.

Yeah and Trazyn opens with pick a gesture-based instant-win technology-based hax through a thick wall of trees, and if he's got optional equipment, he's not even a proper part of the timeline anymore.

 

[Planck69]

And those are basically magic.

I mean, automatons are just, well, automatons. Robots made by Daedalus.

Yeah and Trazyn opens with pick a gesture-based instant-win technology-based hax through a thick wall of trees, and if he's got optional equipment, he's not even a proper part of the timeline anymore.

If he's inherently outside of time and their range then sure I suppose.

 

[Lou_change]

Pretty sure most of the chars just kill him before he pops the wish.

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like I have to note this: The more monstrous something is, the more likely Trazyn is to just auto collect it before he even sees it because he knows where it starts.

Think of fighting Trazyn the Infinite like fighting Ainz Ooal Gown: You require a Time Stop countermeasure and a Tesseract Labyrinth/Collection countermeasure to even start a proper fight without getting stomped.

I mean, automatons are just, well, automatons. Robots made by Daedalus.

Powered by magic, if I am not mistaken.

If he's inherently outside of time and their range then sure I suppose.

Technically he is there, but he's also not. He's not in phase with the flow of time with his Chronometron,

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

Trazyn definitely can because optional equipment and phase shifter.

 

[Planck69]

Probably

Who can survive Boo speed unequalized they are MFTL+ (27,613,380,812,510,300 c) slower move speed but can teleport.

"Hey what's that snake thi-" Stoned

Powered by magic, if I am not mistaken.

Not really. The Daluses for example are just a product of his skillcraft, with internal wiring and all. But if Trazyn has a way of avoiding the gaze with his Chrono stuff then he likely takes it.

 

[Lou_change]

"Hey what's that snake thi-" Stoned

Is it the whole body boos don't exactly like making eye contact?

 

[Planck69]

Is it the whole body boos don't exactly like making eye contact?

The body in general.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Tier Low 1-A:

2. Characters from Honkaiverse

 

[Lou_change]

The body in general.

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

 

[Planck69]

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

The petrification can affect a being's soul/mind/information/concept. And Sirens can affect people's minds and magic, which are all of these as well.

 

[Lou_change]

soul/mind/information/concept

Resistance to the mind, soul, and life part, do they actually have rune magic, anyway isn't that because in their universe those are all the same thing how exactly does that work if those all aren't just the same thing?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Then boo loses to both Gorgon and Wraiths due to AE 1

I know Positron is a couple lower (I think that's questionable as I am not sure the two above beat him) but he at least has a baseline resistance to the Gorgon and Siren's stuff and can antimatter them in return.

If I thought Posi could beat them I'd have said so. Anyways I lost the Katana Zero debate(don't mean I agree with it) so that's why he's not higher.

 

[Planck69]

Resistance to the mind, soul, and life part, do they actually have rune magic, anyway isn't that because in their universe those are all the same thing how exactly does that work if those all aren't just the same thing?

They are the same thing, and magic is the same at its root regardless of pantheon.

Positron would need to resist Information Manipulation and Concept Manipulation to resist their brand of petrifying, which he doesn't.

 

[Lou_change]

Anyways I lost the Katana Zero debate(don't mean I agree with it) so that's why he's not higher.

You mean the lightspeed laser he can aim dodge that would work via heat (wouldn't the radiation be a more valid example of lightspeed durable negation) the perception thing I honestly can't tell if if that is part of their speed rating or not if it is then speed being equalized kinda negates it and unequalized he seems faster and should be able to react to them trying to act on their precognition, and the time rewind on death that is out of character for him to trigger. You just decide it wasn't worth bothering with debating the heat values.

 

[DaReaperMan]

You mean the lightspeed laser he can aim dodge that would work via heat (wouldn't the radiation be a more valid example of lightspeed durable negation) the perception thing I honestly can't tell if if that is part of their speed rating or not if it is then speed being equalized kinda negates it and unequalized he seems faster and should be able to react to them trying to act on their precognition, and the time rewind on death that is out of character for him to trigger. You just decide it wasn't worth bothering with debating the heat values.

Hey if you want to argue for me, Posi's profile has everything, just a truncated skill section to look nicer is all that's not on the tin.

 

[Planck69]

@Dragonite007
Is it cool if I occasionally update the list?

 

[Dragonite007]

@Dragonite007
Is it cool if I occasionally update the list?

Yep

I usually just update the list when I am in the computer, since my cellphone seens to not like this site.

 

[AthelChan]

Yep

I usually just update the list when I am in the computer, since my cellphone seens to not like this site.

its everyones phone

 

[Nonynho]

:

heya, just calling out once more for the updating of the 9-A, putting Unforgotten Spectre Liz in the top 5 beside Isaac with speed equal

 

[Dragonite007]

heya, just calling out once more for the updating of the 9-A, putting Unforgotten Spectre Liz in the top 5 beside Isaac with speed equal

Done

 

[Shadowslash125]

Due to this one having no layers described, starting at close range definetely doesn't help

I took a cursory glance at this person's page, and I cannot for the life of me find where all the funni layering is. EDIT: I found it.

Anywho, due to the nature of Daguva's teleporting abilities, the SBA range is actually 4km between Liz and him. What makes this more of a stomp is that he has the tendency to transform into his tier 6 perfect form from the get-go, and since he's far enough from Liz to not be under the effects of her fear hax, she's going to burn into a crisp, turn into plasma and atomically dismantle her almost immediately.

SECOND EDIT: The fear hax seems to require actually looking at the character, and Pegasus Abilities from Kuuga (which Daguva has due to having the same power source as him) can prevent this from happening by utilising his hearing and extrasensory perception.

 

[Nonynho]

I took a cursory glance at this person's page, and I cannot for the life of me find where all the funni layering is. EDIT: I found it.

Anywho, due to the nature of Daguva's teleporting abilities, the SBA range is actually 4km between Liz and him. What makes this more of a stomp is that he has the tendency to transform into his tier 6 perfect form from the get-go, and since he's far enough from Liz to not be under the effects of her fear hax, she's going to burn into a crisp, turn into plasma and atomically dismantle her almost immediately.

SECOND EDIT: The fear hax seems to require actually looking at the character, and Pegasus Abilities from Kuuga (which Daguva has due to having the same power source as him) can prevent this from happening by utilising his hearing and extrasensory perception.

If by any chance he ever ends up looking at her, it's over, and by his most far away ability being tp and the others having "tens of meters" of range, that is going to happen, as could only be avoided with at least limited prior knowledge
It is normal behaviour to look at what you're engaging with

 

[Shadowslash125]

If by any chance he ever ends up looking at her, it's over, and by his most far away ability being tp and the others having "tens of meters" of range, that is going to happen, as could only be avoided with at least limited prior knowledge

That's his intermediate form. I'm talking about his perfect form, which isn't restricted here since it counts to his transformation. His perfect form has planetary range.

It is normal behaviour to look at what you're engaging with

This only applies if he's playing with his food (only for Kuuga since he specifically wanted something out of him) or have specific business with someone. Anyone else don't really deserve the time for him to observe and whatnot (unless said person actively resists bursting into plasma fire). Also, SBA has something to say:

Knowledge of the other character/verse: The characters know the direction their opponent(s) start in.

He just needs to know the general direction to use his Pegasus Senses.
Also bear in mind that Supernatural Ignition is an omnidirectional attack that can spawn inside the person. All he needs to do is to raise his hand, and she's gone. That's exactly what happened to 30,000 people who he burned to death all at once without him ever sparing a glance.

 

[Nonynho]

That's his intermediate form. I'm talking about his perfect form, which isn't restricted here since it counts to his transformation. His perfect form has planetary range.

So, if it is a typical behaviour for his first thing to do be transform
And Liz' will be to approach
And they're at equal speed, meaning they highly upscale from 3,157.89473683 m/s (the only calc i found on Kuuga's page), meaning it should take less than 1.2s for her to reach his exact position... And for him to see her while she does that, she should take way less. And from what we can see, the transformation isn't exactly instantaneous, so before he can use his plasma manip inside her, she's already in his sight's range
that is all not saying that if he can sense her in his ultimate form with his increased sight he's very likely already cooked from the beginning

Statistics Amplification:[...]

• Perception, Sight, Hearing: Rising Pegasus Form has more sharpened super-senses compared to the standard version.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Since Kuuga's Civilian Form is what is started with, the combat speed of said civilian form is what would be equalized to. So Athletic Human vs Hypersonic is the difference here.

 

[Nonynho]

Since Kuuga's Civilian Form is what is started with, the combat speed of said civilian form is what would be equalized to. So Athletic Human vs Hypersonic is the difference here.

From what i got of his arguments, it's his intermediate form he starts with, no?

 

[Arcker123]

Due to this one having no layers described

Her range is too short. They just immediately neg her with their own hax due to that