"Shatter the Cosmic Crown" - Silver Surfer vs Irontomb (Marvel Comics vs Honkai: Star Rail)

[Doggo]

ctually I checked and one of the Destruction Path's powers is layered Information Erasure. SS resists Information Hax due to resisting Marvel soul hax, but if his body's totally erased he ain't coming back, so the question is how is the erasure done.

That should only apply to his 2nd key and only to him and no one else

 

[Voidnether]

Actually I checked and one of the Destruction Path's powers is layered Information Erasure. SS resists Information Hax due to resisting Marvel soul hax, but if his body's totally erased he ain't coming back, so the question is how is the erasure done.

Also, I don't know why all Emenators of Destruction gets Irontomb's ability nor why him erasing the entire universe isn't 3-A or higher, but I don't know Honkai as well as the Honkai experts here

Tbh that only ability should only be for Irontomb and Nanook alone, no one else gets it but layered Information Erasure is when like Irontomb destroys the universe

 

[Eseseso]

Tbh that only ability should only be for Irontomb and Nanook alone, no one else gets it but layered Information Erasure is when like Irontomb destroys the universe

Not sure why that's in his 3-C key, or why that key isn't much, much higher than 3-C

 

[Voidnether]

Not sure why that's in his 3-C key, or why that key isn't much, much higher than 3-C

That's on his 2-A lol actually

 

[Eseseso]

That's on his 2-A lol actually

Makes sense, but it was also on the Destruction Path stuff which his 3-C key has so I assumed.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

bump

 

[Eseseso]

So if Irontomb's 3-C key doesn't have layered EE, what are his likeliest wincons?

And unlike Acheron, Irontomb is not someone SS will pull punches against, especially given his destructive nature

 

[Natsuki012]

So if Irontomb's 3-C key doesn't have layered EE, what are his likeliest wincons?

does SS have any answer against corruption and madness manipulation?

 

[Rgerdeena]

does SS have any answer against corruption and madness manipulation?

Silver surfer resists mind manipulation/madness manipulation(type 2)/possesion

 

[Eseseso]

does SS have any answer against corruption and madness manipulation?

How does the corruption work? Does Irontomb go for it first thing?

 

[Voidnether]

So if Irontomb's 3-C key doesn't have layered EE, what are his likeliest wincons?

And unlike Acheron, Irontomb is not someone SS will pull punches against, especially given his destructive nature

Black Tide
All of Khaslana's abilities especially the Coreflames

 

[Doggo]

So if Irontomb's 3-C key doesn't have layered EE, what are his likeliest wincons?

And unlike Acheron, Irontomb is not someone SS will pull punches against, especially given his destructive nature

sub atomic destruction

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Not sure, though since SS can interact with Astral Forms he can interact with concepts and information, and he interacted with a matrix of pure consciousness.


I was referring to this.

Interesting

Sealing/Paralysis Inducement, Power Nullification/Absorption, & Intangibility (Can tap into the energies of the universe around himself to create impenetrable stasis energy bubbles around Shi'ar warships, before absorbing the energy out of said ships and then neutralizing all weapons on the Shi'ar flagship with a gesture and phasing through it to reach the command center)

Power Nullification (Doctor Doom with his powers casually stripped Human Torch of his resistance to fire and high temperatures)

Doctor Doom with his powers drained all the animate life from the Thing and turned him into lifeless stone.

Hope this helps.

Good to know.
Does surfer have examples of using power absorption or null against some of the fancier cosmic powers in marvel?
Like the Odin force or a sorcerer’s magic? Since these what he’s nulling is just tech from sci-fi ships and the powers of the fantastic four and not something close to imaginary energy.

If he can null power systems like those I’ll give a vote for Silver Surfer.
Also if he’s commonly willing to use this ability since sometimes comic characters don’t use all their hax.

 

[Eseseso]

Good to know.
Does surfer have examples of using power absorption or null against some of the fancier cosmic powers in marvel?
Like the Odin force or a sorcerer’s magic? Since these what he’s nulling is just tech from sci-fi ships and the powers of the fantastic four and not something close to imaginary energy.

If he can null power systems like those I’ll give a vote for Silver Surfer.
Also if he’s commonly willing to use this ability since sometimes comic characters don’t use all their hax.

He can absorb souls, as many as millions at once.

As for absorption/null, he did use it to absorb Gamma radiation once, but usually just standard energy.

He'll be more willing to use his hax from the getgo against Irontomb since he's a destructive mindless machine.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

He can absorb souls, as many as millions at once.

As for absorption/null, he did use it to absorb Gamma radiation once, but usually just standard energy.

He'll be more willing to use his hax from the getgo against Irontomb since he's a destructive mindless machine.

I wouldn’t say the souls is particularly helpful for absorbing or nulling Imaginary energy.
But absorbing Gamma radiation seems passable since that stuff is like 1-A in marvel or whatever since it’s part magic which is also informational and conceptual

So count me for Surfer.
Irontomb will be able to beat down on surfer. A lot physically and can maybe win with decon but that’s exactly why Surfer will take it seriously and use his hax

 

[Eseseso]

I wouldn’t say the souls is particularly helpful for absorbing or nulling Imaginary energy.
But absorbing Gamma radiation seems passable since that stuff is like 1-A in marvel or whatever since it’s part magic which is also informational and conceptual

So count me for Surfer.
Irontomb will be able to beat down on surfer. A lot physically and can maybe win with decon but that’s exactly why Surfer will take it seriously and use his hax

Plus souls in Marvel are pretty similar to imaginary energy in that they are conceptual + informational.

Also, SS could just make black holes inside of him with absolute ease.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Also, SS could just make black holes inside of him with absolute ease.

Ok Irontomb prob would tank this since Space Time Manip and Black holes are very commonly resisted in Hoyo (I’ll actually be surprised if Irontomb doesn’t have that listed on his or Khaslana’s profile) but I get the idea

 

[Eseseso]

Ok Irontomb prob would tank this since Space Time Manip and Black holes are very commonly resisted in Hoyo (I’ll actually be surprised if Irontomb doesn’t have that listed on his or Khaslana’s profile) but I get the idea

Yeah the Power Cosmic is bonkers, lol.

I didn't think so at first, but after researching SS I was like "Ok yeah it's broken".

Also, does Irontomb resist EE? I figure he resists transmutation which SS often uses but what about EE?

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Yeah the Power Cosmic is bonkers, lol.

I didn't think so at first, but after researching SS I was like "Ok yeah it's broken".

Yeah what the hell is this character bro

Also, does Irontomb resist EE? I figure he resists transmutation which SS often uses but what about EE?

Irontomb resists Void Manipulation that induces EE and under Resistance to high level Honkai energy he resists EE so yeah he’s fine on that.

 

[Hecky2222]

• Marvel's 1-A soul hax and all the goodies that come with it

• BFR via Time Travel

• 1-A Invisibility (as not even Eternity or the Watchers could sense him)

??? bro wtf you are making this type of matchups

 

[Eseseso]

Yeah what the hell is this character bro


Irontomb resists Void Manipulation that induces EE and under Resistance to high level Honkai energy he resists EE so yeah he’s fine on that.

Yeah I figured.

??? bro wtf you are making this type of matchups

Just passing the time til Dr. Who gets upgraded and I can make SS fight the Doctor

I just try to find fights for profiles I've just revised. Mixed results, as you see.

 

[Hecky2222]

Just passing the time til Dr. Who gets upgraded and I can make SS fight the Doctor

I just try to find fights for profiles I've just revised. Mixed results, as you see.

Like if one has 1-A Invisibility another can't sense character by default and gets 1-A soul haxed. Which would be nothing but stomp match unless I am missing some wincoin here where Irontomb blindly nukes Battlefield which SS can't resist or smth

 

[Rgerdeena]

Like if one has 1-A Invisibility another can't sense character by default and gets 1-A soul haxed. Which would be nothing but stomp match unless I am missing some wincoin here where Irontomb blindly nukes Battlefield which SS can't resist or smth

I don’t think silver surfer’s 1-A invisibility is something he normally uses

 

[Voidnether]

Like if one has 1-A Invisibility another can't sense character by default and gets 1-A soul haxed. Which would be nothing but stomp match unless I am missing some wincoin here where Irontomb blindly nukes Battlefield which SS can't resist or smth

Irontomb has billions of souls inside their body, Silver Surfer is able to absorb millions of souls so it still takes some time to even get 1-A soul haxed considering this as a factor. It traces back to the potency of the souls as in Silver Surfer would need to absorb billions too.

Note 2: When judging the potency of hax-based abilities such as Mind Manipulation and Soul Manipulation, and the resistance against them, there is a variety of factors to be potentially considered. Such as the mechanisms involved, how many people the power can affect, whether it has been demonstrated to break through resistances, how great the effects are, etc.

These factors need to be examined with the mechanism in mind, to determine if they actually demonstrate potency. For example, for a mind-controlling gas simply affecting more people with it, by using lots of the gas, would not indicate an increase in potency of the gas as simply more of it was used. The effect couldn't be accumulated to be as strong on a single target as it is on all affected individuals summed up.

Whether a power can overcome a resistance against it based on certain feats has to be determined by comparing the various factors at play. For example, a resistance can be overcome by Mind Manipulation with higher potency in any factor, if the resistance is equal, less or unknown in all other factors. When it comes to resistance that is above the Mind Manipulation in some factors, while the Mind Manipulation that is superior in other factors, one has to see on a case-by-case basis whether a convincing argument can be put forth. Otherwise, such a situation will have an inconclusive result.

How the mechanism of the power (Such as the before-mentioned Mind Manipulation) interacts with the mechanism of the resistance is, of course, also relevant.

Also yes, Irontomb's first move if they can't do shit at all is to straight up self-coronate in which they destroyed the cosmos (Irontomb was genuinely playing when it fought the Chrysos Heirs in Phase 1 & 2, since it retained Invulnerability and destroyed the cosmos after that, idk whether Irontomb was playing or to simply buy time for the self-coronation). Mf jumped from 3-C to 2-A due to this shit which definitely one shots the other dawg.

 

[Doggo]

Just passing the time til Dr. Who gets upgraded and I can make SS fight the Doctor

What upgrades

 

[Eseseso]

Irontomb has billions of souls inside their body, Silver Surfer is able to absorb millions of souls so it still takes some time to even get 1-A soul haxed considering this as a factor. It traces back to the potency of the souls as in Silver Surfer would need to absorb billions too.

Also yes, Irontomb's first move if they can't do shit at all is to straight up self-coronate in which they destroyed the cosmos (Irontomb was genuinely playing when it fought the Chrysos Heirs in Phase 1 & 2, since it retained Invulnerability and destroyed the cosmos after that, idk whether Irontomb was playing or to simply buy time for the self-coronation). Mf jumped from 3-C to 2-A due to this shit which definitely one shots the other dawg.

SS can travel to another dimension, or outrun the explosion like he outran the end of the omniverse (I'm not even joking here lol).

 

[Hecky2222]

SS can travel to another dimension, or outrun the explosion like he outran the end of the omniverse (I'm not even joking here lol).

Then it is incon or win for SS

If bro can travel into 1-A Reality IronTomb Informational EE wont do jackshit, while SS might burn his souls by his 1-A hax each time. And after some time Irontomb gets outhaxed