"Shatter the Cosmic Crown" - Silver Surfer vs Irontomb (Marvel Comics vs Honkai: Star Rail)

[Eseseso]

The 3-C versions of both characters will be used.

SBA, Speed Equalized, and they start in the skies of Amphoreus, with Surfer coming across the ravaged world and, while investigating, finds Irontomb as the root cause of the Black Tide that drove the Titans insane.

Surfer scales to 63 Zettafoe, Irontomb scales to 304 Zettafoe

Soundtrack:


Herald of the Devourer: 0

Emanator of Destruction: 0

Inconclusive: 0

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I’ll be following this. Seems interesting. I will say Surfer has High Regen, resists EE and resists IM2 under basic magic. So Idk how Acheron slimes Norrin

 

[Eseseso]

I’ll be following this. Seems interesting. I will say Surfer has High Regen, resists EE and resists IM2 under basic magic. So Idk how Acheron slimes Norrin

He also resists IM2 via resisting Marvel soul hax.

 

[Eseseso]

Acheron:

• AP/Durability Advantage with Unsheathed Sword (by nearly 5x)
• Resistance Negation (So her elemental attacks like fire and ice would affect SS by bypassing his resistances)
• Acausality 2 completely negates Silver Surfer's otherwise-broken Precognition
• Quantum Matter Manipulation via Imaginary energy

Silver Surfer:

• Just over twice the AP/Durability as Acheron when the latter isn't using Unsheathed Sword, and even then can amp himself with Energy Absorption or Willpower
  • Can likely just absorb Acheron's energy gradually as the fight goes on, strengthening himself and weakening her overtime.
• Resists Acheron's Fate Manipulation while possessing Fate Manipulation of his own
• Resists the conceptual/information hax of Imaginary Energy and Honkai soul hax due to resisting Marvel soul hax
• Marvel's 1-A soul hax and all the goodies that come with it
• BFR via Time Travel
• 1-A Invisibility (as not even Eternity or the Watchers could sense him)
• More experienced, more intelligent (EG vs Genius), and surprisingly is arguably more skilled in battle
• Could literally do...this
• Sealing
• Power Nullification of his own

 

[MrKerf]

Oh no, another stomp

 

[AyOgUyS]

im feeling a HAX diff here

 

[Eseseso]

im feeling a HAX diff here

Haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, Marvel's as vanilla as they come.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about, Marvel's as vanilla as they come.

brother the marvel magic page is genuinely the most BS powers & abilities page i ever seen

 

[Huesito88]

the marvel magic page is genuinely the most BS powers & abilities page i ever seen

 

[TegamiBachi25]

following

 

[Rgerdeena]

brother the marvel magic page is genuinely the most BS powers & abilities page i ever seen

BS means beyond spectacular, right?

 

[Rgerdeena]

Acheron:

• AP/Durability Advantage with Unsheathed Sword (by nearly 5x)
• Power Nullification + Resistance Negation (So her elemental attackhttps://vsbattles.com/posts/7707900/edits like fire and ice would affect SS)
• Acausality 2 completely negates Silver Surfer's otherwise-broken Precognition
• Quantum Matter Manipulation via Imaginary energy

Silver Surfer:

• Just over twice the AP/Durability as Acheron when the latter isn't using Unsheathed Sword
• Resists Acheron's Fate Manipulation while possessing Fate Manipulation of his own
• Marvel's 1-A soul hax and all the goodies that come with it
• BFR via Time Travel
• 1-A Invisibility (as not even Eternity or the Watchers could sense him)
• More experienced, more intelligent (EG vs Genius), and surprisingly is arguably more skilled in battle
• Could literally do...this
• Sealing
• Power Nullification of his own

I feel like, silver surfer’s going to get beat up pretty hard and then use some random Hax to beat her, gonna wait for more arguments though

 

[Eseseso]

I feel like, silver surfer’s going to get beat up pretty hard and then use some random Hax to beat him, gonna wait for more arguments though

Her.

But you might be correct since SS does resist more of her hax than she does of his, from the looks of it.

 

[Rgerdeena]

Her.

Gah I suck at pronouns

 

[Doggo]

So her elemental attacks like fire and ice would affect SS by bypassing his resistances)

She only has lighting btw

Anyway, yeah, this is a huge stomp in SS's favor

 

[AthelChan]

Feeding her to the OG Marvel Herald

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Thor (restricted to Tier 3 ofc) or Captain Marvel might be matchups for Acheron cause Norrin is actually unkillable to her Thanks to his regen.
Acheron could unsheathe her sword start beating him down while Norrin could just relax and wait for an opening since he’s in no danger.

 

[Eseseso]

Feeding her to the OG Marvel Herald

Tbf it wasn't until I began researching to improve Surfer's profile that I realized how busted he truly was.

On a list of top 10 haxxiest Marvel characters that aren't gods, abstracts, or master sorcerers, he'd definitely be there.

Thor (restricted to Tier 3 ofc) or Captain Marvel might be matchups for Acheron cause Norrin is actually unkillable to her Thanks to his regen.
Acheron could unsheathe her sword start beating him down while Norrin could just relax and wait for an opening since he’s in no danger.

Thor might be losing tier 3, will have to look into Captain Marvel

 

[Eseseso]

Thor (restricted to Tier 3 ofc) or Captain Marvel might be matchups for Acheron cause Norrin is actually unkillable to her Thanks to his regen.

I mean I was hoping to find a good match for SS since I just revised his profile.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

I mean I was hoping to find a good match for SS since I just revised his profile.

You made him too strong brudda. It’s a tragedy.
Maybe Silver Surfer vs Irontomb?

 

[Eseseso]

You made him too strong brudda. It’s a tragedy.

Maybe Silver Surfer vs Irontomb?

Lemme check out his page.

 

[Eseseso]

Maybe Silver Surfer vs Irontomb?

Done

 

[Doggo]

Hero vs Villain yipppieeeee


The Herald of Galactus vs Emanator of Destruction

(kinda funny cuz Emanators work like Heralds)

 

[Doggo]

Looking at things from a glance, SS only resists atomic hax, so he would be vulnerable to sub-atomic destruction

 

[Eseseso]

Looking at things from a glance, SS only resists atomic hax, so he would be vulnerable to sub-atomic destruction

1. Surfer does have High Regen, since he can regenerate from literally being pure air (and can survive as pure air without any issues)

2. How does the sub-atomic destruction work? Is it a blast Surfer can dodge?

3. Holy crap Irontomb's arsenal (Khaslana included) is too massive lol

 

[Voidnether]

It's tricky because Irontomb's attacks in the first and second phase were targeting the character with some being AoE attacks, if Irontomb can't see Silver Surfer then its best bet is to corrupt reality itself using the Destruction Equation and Black Tide whilst waiting for the self-coronation. Usually Irontomb would just self-coronate and take Nous as its head to complete its evolution whilst destroying the universe at the same time, but it's possible for Irontomb to fuse with Silver Surfer the same way it fused with Khaslana

About 1-A Soul, could it affect the billions of souls inside Irontomb's body all at once tho?

 

[Eseseso]

It's tricky because Irontomb's attacks in the first and second phase were targeting the character with some being AoE attacks, if Irontomb can't see Silver Surfer then its best bet is to corrupt reality itself using the Destruction Equation and Black Tide whilst waiting for the self-coronation. Usually Irontomb would just self-coronate and take Nous as its head to complete its evolution whilst destroying the universe at the same time, but it's possible for Irontomb to fuse with Silver Surfer the same way it fused with Khaslana

About 1-A Soul, could it affect the billions of souls inside Irontomb's body all at once tho?

Billions? That'll be tricky. His normal soul attacks from Astral Projection only affect one at a time, but Silver Surfer did use his board to absorb millions of souls from the Uni-Mind in a pretty short time period, with it being stated in the same issue to be millions of souls within the Uni-Lord.

Silver Surfer also has energy/power absorption and power nullification, unless Irontomb resists those.

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Surfer does have High Regen, since he can regenerate from literally being pure air (and can survive as pure air without any issues)

To be fair air is Mid High level destruction and is closer to Molecular than it is subatomic. The scan for his high says he took Millenia to reform his body after having his atoms scattered. So under SBA conditions Irontomb still wins if it rips him apart that way due to incapacitating Surfer for more than a day

How does the sub-atomic destruction work? Is it a blast Surfer can dodge?

Iirc we don’t get clear visuals of how Scepters do this, but we know they can subatomically deconstruct entire galaxies. Likely it’s just some blast with colossal AOE.

One interesting question would be if Irontomb would wanna take Norrin as its head the same way it did to Herta in that Alternate timeline

Silver Surfer also has energy/power absorption and power nullification, unless Irontomb resists those

Irontomb lost against a powernull user not long ago (Otto Apocalypse) so depending on how it works he can beat Irontomb this way. Does Norrin fire some sort of beam that can be blocked or need physical contact? Or is it as simple as he can he just look at Irontomb and say that it can’t wield imaginary energy anymore.

 

[Voidnether]

Billions? That'll be tricky. His normal soul attacks from Astral Projection only affect one at a time, but Silver Surfer did use his board to absorb millions of souls from the Uni-Mind in a pretty short time period, with it being stated in the same issue to be millions of souls within the Uni-Lord.

Silver Surfer also has energy/power absorption and power nullification, unless Irontomb resists those.

Depends if the Power Nullification could straight up nullify Imaginary Energy

 

[Eseseso]

Depends if the Power Nullification could straight up nullify Imaginary Energy

Not sure, though since SS can interact with Astral Forms he can interact with concepts and information, and he interacted with a matrix of pure consciousness.

To be fair air is Mid High level destruction and is closer to Molecular than it is subatomic. The scan for his high says he took Millenia to reform his body after having his atoms scattered. So under SBA conditions Irontomb still wins if it rips him apart that way due to incapacitating Surfer for more than a day

I was referring to this.

Iirc we don’t get clear visuals of how Scepters do this, but we know they can subatomically deconstruct entire galaxies. Likely it’s just some blast with colossal AOE.

One interesting question would be if Irontomb would wanna take Norrin as its head the same way it did to Herta in that Alternate timeline

Interesting

Irontomb lost against a powernull user not long ago (Otto Apocalypse) so depending on how it works he can beat Irontomb this way. Does Norrin fire some sort of beam that can be blocked or need physical contact? Or is it as simple as he can he just look at Irontomb and say that it can’t wield imaginary energy anymore.

Sealing/Paralysis Inducement, Power Nullification/Absorption, & Intangibility (Can tap into the energies of the universe around himself to create impenetrable stasis energy bubbles around Shi'ar warships, before absorbing the energy out of said ships and then neutralizing all weapons on the Shi'ar flagship with a gesture and phasing through it to reach the command center)

Power Nullification (Doctor Doom with his powers casually stripped Human Torch of his resistance to fire and high temperatures)

Doctor Doom with his powers drained all the animate life from the Thing and turned him into lifeless stone.

Hope this helps.

 

[AthelChan]

but it's possible for Irontomb to fuse with Silver Surfer the same way it fused with Khaslana

thats terrifying he has access to 1-A marvel magic BS

 

[Eseseso]

thats terrifying he has access to 1-A marvel magic BS

SS does not have Marvel magic, he just resists it.

He does, however, have Marvel soul BS.

 

[Eseseso]

Surfer and his board can also absorbs a bunch of incoming energy attacks at once and use that energy

 

[Doggo]

btw how layered is Surfer's EE resistance? Irontomb has 1 layer

 

[Eseseso]

btw how layered is Surfer's EE resistance? Irontomb has 1 layer

It's not layered.

And is Irontomb's layered in his 3-C key?

 

[Doggo]

It's not layered.

And is Irontomb's layered in his 3-C key?

Oh wait its for his 2nd key mb

But he does have Khaslana's powers, which include a death and corrosive aura (although this needs activation)

 

[Voidnether]

Oh wait its for his 2nd key mb

But he does have Khaslana's powers, which include a death and corrosive aura (although this needs activation)

Iirc Coreflame of Death is passive, the rest needs activation

 

[Doggo]

Iirc Coreflame of Death is passive, the rest needs activation

It did not seem passive with Phainon....I think Castorice's aura is kinda exclusive to her and Pollux but idk

 

[Eseseso]

Oh wait its for his 2nd key mb

But he does have Khaslana's powers, which include a death and corrosive aura (although this needs activation)

Actually I checked and one of the Destruction Path's powers is layered Information Erasure. SS resists Information Hax due to resisting Marvel soul hax, but if his body's totally erased he ain't coming back, so the question is how is the erasure done.

Also, I don't know why all Emenators of Destruction gets Irontomb's ability nor why him erasing the entire universe isn't 3-A or higher, but I don't know Honkai as well as the Honkai experts here

 

[Doggo]

Also, I don't know why all Emenators of Destruction gets Irontomb's ability nor why him erasing the entire universe isn't 3-A or higher, but I don't know Honkai as well as the Honkai experts here

Because the Path ability section is lowkey trash due to giving character powers they should not have. Freaking Herta, a human, gets immo type 2 just because she shares the same path as Lygus....who survives decaptation....due to being a robot....but Herta is a human....can humans survive losing their hea-