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Akatsukiverse: General Discussion Thread

ShionAH said:
Didn't she already have Mid-High feat from the Movie?
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iirc, that only happened in the anime, not in the novel.

And speaking of the anime version...
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There's a bunch of feats where the crew survives an indirect explosion from Megumin or others in the OVAs and movie, tho probably for comedic effect
 
ShionAH said:
Kazuma admits he exaggerated that scene if you mean S2, although you could argue he still survived that explosion even though it probably wasn’t as big as he told us
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I think he exaggerates the story he told that girl while the actual scenes that we see are what actually happened considering there are a lot of less than flattering events in those flashback that Kazuma wouldnt really tell
 
Bruh said:
I think he exaggerates the story he told that girl while the actual scenes that we see are what actually happened considering there are a lot of less than flattering events in those flashback that Kazuma wouldnt really tell
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Maybe? I took it as that giant explosion that should have logically killed Kazuma, Aqua and Megumin being exaggerated

I think its possible to say they still survived a shot from Megumin I guess? Especially since Darkness easily tanks them, I guess the other three could be in the “barely survive” category
 
ShionAH said:
Wall level Kazuma 🙏
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Greatest thing I’ve read all day, even the LN is still good, punching someone through a wall to send them back is crazy.

The existence of giant toads strong enough to burrow into the ground and keep up with Aqua sprinting alone being treated as beginner monsters already puts the verse higher.

Shit Kazuma even one shots one of them with [Snipe] in volume 3.

And the Ninin feat is actually more than valid since despite getting his ribs broken, normal people don’t just NOT die from getting striked and kicked several times at high speeds by solid steel 😭

I lowkey need to learn how to do math to prevent 10-A novel Kazuma from becoming a reality lmao
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
I lowkey need to learn how to do math to prevent 10-A novel Kazuma from becoming a reality lmao
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In the movie while the gang was hiding in some woods, Megumin explosion wipe out all the tree in the area yet our crew survived, a bit injured, but fine overall so yeah anime Kazuma is def around Wall lv at least
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
Haven't done one of these in years, so I forgot how long it takes for them to be accepted tho I just put it in a request thread, but I tried calculating the Ninnin Feat, idk if anyone would agree with scaling Kazuma to it, but here's the blog.
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Also, apparently, it can scale higher idek the Gadalkn whatever his name is from Sentouin got his feat calced lol so thats cool to know
 
Only interesting thing, are we still using the "dura = AP" for Kazuma? Since his stats are so low, we assume they're relative (cuz he doesn't specialise in anything but luck/INT lol), making this an upgrade for AP as well as Dura.

Or if accepted, are just gonna keep this as a dura feat?
 
According to Volume 1, Kazuma's stats are equivalent to those of an average human from the parallel world. All of his stats increase simultaneously upon leveling up, so yes, I think his AP should be comparable to his Durability.
 
Yeah, cool, because I've been saying that and have used it as justification for past calcs (which are being proven wrong ☠️now) and just wanted to make sure the meta didn't change. Good shit good shit.

3-A Aqua next
 
TheShape03 said:
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Well...
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lol 5-B Konosuba it is, I actually did think it was possible since I remember a scene in Sentouin where Alice asks a devil to create a planet like Earth for her, but IIRC the devil is shocked and annoyed, but not because of a power issue, but more so because there isn't a cost worthy in exchnage for a planet, which was funny. Not saying to actually count that as scaling tho.

But I remember somebody telling me that Eris and Aqua were 2-C since Eris created her realm space and that it's structured outside of the multiverse, apparently, all of this is from Fantatsic Days ☠️
 
ShionAH said:
I looked at your sandboxes, are the LN profiles done? I am curious when you'll release them, they look pretty damn good
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Yes, the profiles are almost done. I'm waiting for this calculation to be accepted.

I also need to finish the "Notable Attacks/Techniques" sections for each character, assign a range level to Megumin (the current profile says "Kilometers" but doesn't explain why, and I'm not sure what level she should have), and add some scans I forgot to include in Aqua's second key and Megumin's first key.
 
Bruh said:
I dont think you can do that as that's calc stacking
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Didn’t even know this was a thing, I had to search it up and it said:
While we do allow stated speeds to be used across one step of scaling (i.e., if Character B is faster than Character A, a stated speed for Character A can be used in calculations for Character B), we don’t allow them to be used across multiple, due to concerns with reliability.
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And yeah, well that sucks. Oh well, I just wanted 9-C tbh I couldn’t accept 10-A Kazuma lmao.

I don’t care AS much to make it, but I don’t think it’s too unreasonable to argue that due to the speed of the Ninnin, the short time gap of the punches and kicks meant that Kazuma took on virtually the total energy so his bones breaking were the result of that cumulative force being delivered in virtually one go, but it might seem like dragging it.

So maybe the best on his profile we can get is “9C, likely higher” or whatever.
 
But I do wanna calculate that that feat of Darkness punching the wall with enough energy to knock him back into the hot spring in volume 4. Tho the wall doesn’t break, so idk if that’s more impressive that she somehow has the ability to transfer energy like dat or if the feat won’t mean nun.

And even tho they’re standing still, it seems to be implied that giant toads (larger than bulls and strong enough to burrow into the grassy hills of axel to stay cool) swallow quickly, and Kazuma kills them by smashing smashing their skulls with a short sword which had to have been done quickly (and a short sword means he has to put more power into it), especially as he kills two the next day when Megumin joins, meaning he had to kill them fast enough to save the two of them.


And in volume 3 using Snipe with a short bow, he’s able to produce enough - drag? Pull weight? Idk what’s used for bows, but he produced enough energy one shots a giant toad (the anime has the toad survive for some reason?). Tho I might need to check if Aqua buffed him (No.1 killer of any Kazuma feats lol) and also you could argue it being an arrow means it’s much easier to pierce to the point it’s irrelevant how much energy he put in.

But I’m sure he has other feats that could make a good case for him. But I’m just happy if I can avoid 10A Kazuma lol.
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
Didn’t even know this was a thing, I had to search it up and it said:


And yeah, well that sucks. Oh well, I just wanted 9-C tbh I couldn’t accept 10-A Kazuma lmao.

I don’t care AS much to make it, but I don’t think it’s too unreasonable to argue that due to the speed of the Ninnin, the short time gap of the punches and kicks meant that Kazuma took on virtually the total energy so his bones breaking were the result of that cumulative force being delivered in virtually one go, but it might seem like dragging it.

So maybe the best on his profile we can get is “9C, likely higher” or whatever.
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You can still use Baseline Subsonic for calcs as thats the accepted "canon" speed of the verse
If were talking anime then Kazuma should be Wall lv considering in the movie when the gang was hiding in the woods and Megumin used Explosion, all of trees around them was obliterated but the gang was relatively fine, a bit injured is all
 
Bruh said:
You can still use Baseline Subsonic for calcs as thats the accepted "canon" speed of the verse
If were talking anime then Kazuma should be Wall lv considering in the movie when the gang was hiding in the woods and Megumin used Explosion, all of trees around them was obliterated but the gang was relatively fine, a bit injured is all
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I did use baseline, 76MPH so that’s fine. Who knows maybe Yomirichi 4 has some good feats.
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
I don’t care AS much to make it, but I don’t think it’s too unreasonable to argue that due to the speed of the Ninnin, the short time gap of the punches and kicks meant that Kazuma took on virtually the total energy so his bones breaking were the result of that cumulative force being delivered in virtually one go, but it might seem like dragging it.
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To be honest after thinking about it it more, this makes a lot more sense than treating each punch and kick as individual strikes, the Ninnin was punching at speeds fast enough that there was zero recovery time so before the energy of the first attack subsided a second one of equal force arrived and this continues for a couple more strikes, and like the blog says, since the Ninnin is metal that means Kazuma is absorbing virtually 100% of the full impact each time.

So the full energy dispersed into his body is closer to the total output than an individual strike. Soooo if this calc gets accepted then I’m fine with treating it as a 9B feat if the majority agrees.
 
Bruh said:
I dont think you can do that as that's calc stacking
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Honestly, that seems absurd to me (If we accept that Kazuma can move at a speed comparable to Gadalkand's, and the Ninnin blitzes Kazuma in the scene where he hits him, the most reasonable assumption is that Ninnin's attacks were at a speed comparable to Kazuma's. Otherwise, we're assuming that Ninnin was several times slower than Kazuma at the moment of the attack), but I understand that's the wiki's standard, so there's not much I can do.
 
TheShape03 said:
Yes, the profiles are almost done. I'm waiting for this calculation to be accepted.

I also need to finish the "Notable Attacks/Techniques" sections for each character, assign a range level to Megumin (the current profile says "Kilometers" but doesn't explain why, and I'm not sure what level she should have), and add some scans I forgot to include in Aqua's second key and Megumin's first key.
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Oh yeah a reminder. Aqua should be optional equipment in Kazuma's sandbox
 
I was looking at some of my older calcs since them being so shitty is threatening Kazuma with 10-A lol, and I noticed that for whatever reason I thought "several" meant "seven" so that inflated the numbers that got Kazuma to 9-B with magic, however, this is a good thing as it also brought up another oversight I made (despite bringing it up in the original post???) but the Freeze spell freezes water vapour, which means this is a feat of deposition? sublimation and not just basic freezing liquid to a solid lol, so the energy output was 9-A, so good shit for us.

Here's the calc if anyone is interested
 
It's good too, as Freeze is proportional to output, unlike other spells, so that's the purest showing of mana Kazuma has. Also means all his intermediate and advanced spells scale too, since they're inherently more powerful than beginner magic.
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
I was looking at some of my older calcs since them being so shitty is threatening Kazuma with 10-A lol, and I noticed that for whatever reason I thought "several" meant "seven" so that inflated the numbers that got Kazuma to 9-B with magic, however, this is a good thing as it also brought up another oversight I made (despite bringing it up in the original post???) but the Freeze spell freezes water vapour, which means this is a feat of deposition? sublimation and not just basic freezing liquid to a solid lol, so the energy output was 9-A, so good shit for us.

Here's the calc if anyone is interested
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Would the anime version, in ss2 and the movie yield any higher results ?
MidnightDawn1 said:
It's good too, as Freeze is proportional to output, unlike other spells, so that's the purest showing of mana Kazuma has. Also means all his intermediate and advanced spells scale too, since they're inherently more powerful than beginner magic.
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Since we accepted that Lightning magic scale to actual lightning, shouldnt that make Intermediate magic 8-C, since that's the energy output of actual lightning ? Iirc, Intermediate spells were stated to vaporize/reduce human size creatures to ash
 
MidnightDawn1 said:
It's good too, as Freeze is proportional to output, unlike other spells, so that's the purest showing of mana Kazuma has. Also means all his intermediate and advanced spells scale too, since they're inherently more powerful than beginner magic.
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Kazuma never learned advanced magic. His intermediate magic should be 8-C, since he can conjure natural lightning.
MidnightDawn1 said:
I was looking at some of my older calcs since them being so shitty is threatening Kazuma with 10-A lol, and I noticed that for whatever reason I thought "several" meant "seven" so that inflated the numbers that got Kazuma to 9-B with magic, however, this is a good thing as it also brought up another oversight I made (despite bringing it up in the original post???) but the Freeze spell freezes water vapour, which means this is a feat of deposition? sublimation and not just basic freezing liquid to a solid lol, so the energy output was 9-A, so good shit for us.

Here's the calc if anyone is interested
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It would be great if we could use that statement "basic magic can't hurt anyone" to upgrade everyone to 9-A, lol.
 
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