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[Azertyhuuh]

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With a bursting sound, the world completely changed. Around the woman, a domain of control spread.
The hedgehog was swallowed into the woman’s world, but without being disturbed, it continued concentrating its power.
Even if it is a god, within another god’s domain of control, it cannot exert its full strength. Even if it deploys its own domain, there is a limit to the power it can bring out.
The hedgehog had also deployed a small scale domain around itself. Therefore, the god’s power does not directly reach its body. At the very least, instant death can be avoided.
Eyes appeared. Countless eyes appeared and surrounded the hedgehog in multiple layers. This time, it likely intends to strike an attack.
Past, present, future. Seeing through all of them, it intends to unleash an unavoidable blow.
The hedgehog continues to accumulate power without concern.
The woman greatly swung back her arm. A god does not need a stance for an attack, but there are those who find meaning in such movements. This woman is probably the type who feels that doing so increases the power.
Quietly, power fills the space between the two.
Just before that power collides and bursts
It came abruptly.
A divine presence that had not existed until now.
Such a thing filled the surroundings, and then disappeared.
It was like a wave.

No
The attack does not go to the past or the future.
What is meant is that the woman sees the past, present, and future, and based on that, she launches an unavoidable attack.

It's about seeing the past and future. A combination of Precognition and Retrocognition
As the character knows what will happen by using this, they can make an unavoidable attack that takes into consideration all countermeasures

Retrocognition

Retrocognition is the ability to perceive events that have transpired in the past. The working of this ability generally varies depending upon the user and the verse. The ability may or may not have a limit i.e a character may only be able to view or perceive events from a specific period of...

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Precognition

Precognition is the ability to know the future. Characters with this ability can, through varying means, accurately predict future events. Said means fall under two main categories: Divination, in which a user acquires impossible knowledge of upcoming events by looking into the future itself...

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Can you translate it?

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Can you translate it?

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Lord Yoshifumi! It's better not to get involved with a guy like this! This guy called Takato is the worst!
This guy instantly kills anything and everything! And he senses killing intent and uses that power in a counter,
so he's impossible to deal with!
Hanakawa kun, whose side are you on? I'm not on anyone's side! Neutral! I'm neutral! I'm a remora bastard who follows the one who survives!
Hanakawa brazenly said.
An instant death ability, huh. If he killed Santarou, that means it works on a Sage.
Come to think of it, when you kill a Sage, the Philosopher's Stone inside their body loses its power, right? That's troublesome.
Killing Yoshifumi is easy, but he can't just be simply killed.
For Yogiri, that was quite a troublesome matter.
Guess I'll kill parts of him to immobilize him first.
It's the same method used with Liza. This time there is no Shokumaru, so dismantling might be difficult, but as long as there's a blade,
Mokomoko will somehow manage it, Yogiri thought optimistically.
Sensing killing intent and instant death, huh... well, doesn't matter!
A knife appeared in Yoshifumi's hand.
Yoshifumi did not feel any threat from Takato Yogiri.
That is because Super Convenient Principle (Super Hero Time) was not reacting.
If Super Convenient Principle (Super Hero Time) does not present a new ability, then it means Yoshifumi can deal with it using only the abilities he currently has.
Well, I’ll be extra careful anyway.
Yoshifumi manifested the Wandering Edge.
This is the strongest weapon that completely erases the target.
That blade flies toward the past and can make the target have never existed from the past.
It can also alter the past without killing, but that is merely an application.
For the time being, since he is the Sage’s enemy, he intended to dispose of him quickly without playing around.
Yoshifumi threw the Wandering Edge.
Since he did not intend to hit Yogiri, he threw it in a random direction. It disappears in midair and flies into the past.
It goes to Yogiri’s past, back to when he was a newborn, and pierces his innocent body that cannot resist.
By that, the Yogiri standing before him now will disappear.
Only Yoshifumi, who used the Wandering Edge, can recognize the situation before the alteration.
For others, it would mean that from the beginning, someone like Takato Yogiri never existed.
At that time, various contradictions would arise due to one person disappearing, but in the end, things are adjusted so that they make sense. It seems spacetime has a restorative ability, and it fills the missing parts with other elements.
Yoshifumi immediately felt a sense of discomfort.
If the past changes, the effect should activate the moment it is thrown. That is natural, but even though several seconds have passed since he threw it, Yogiri is still standing in front of him.
And no matter how many seconds passed after that, no change came.
What was that just now?
Yogiri tilted his head.
Yogiri probably did not recognize it as an attack. That is why Yoshifumi has not died. However, that also meant that it was no different from Yoshifumi having done nothing at all.
Yogiri thought Yoshifumi intended to fight because he threw a knife, but he did not feel any killing intent. So he waited, wondering what he intended, but nothing in particular happened.
What was that just now?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

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Lord Yoshifumi! It's better not to get involved with a guy like this! This guy called Takato is the worst!
This guy instantly kills anything and everything! And he senses killing intent and uses that power in a counter,
so he's impossible to deal with!
Hanakawa kun, whose side are you on? I'm not on anyone's side! Neutral! I'm neutral! I'm a remora bastard who follows the one who survives!
Hanakawa brazenly said.
An instant death ability, huh. If he killed Santarou, that means it works on a Sage.
Come to think of it, when you kill a Sage, the Philosopher's Stone inside their body loses its power, right? That's troublesome.
Killing Yoshifumi is easy, but he can't just be simply killed.
For Yogiri, that was quite a troublesome matter.
Guess I'll kill parts of him to immobilize him first.
It's the same method used with Liza. This time there is no Shokumaru, so dismantling might be difficult, but as long as there's a blade,
Mokomoko will somehow manage it, Yogiri thought optimistically.
Sensing killing intent and instant death, huh... well, doesn't matter!
A knife appeared in Yoshifumi's hand.
Yoshifumi did not feel any threat from Takato Yogiri.
That is because Super Convenient Principle (Super Hero Time) was not reacting.
If Super Convenient Principle (Super Hero Time) does not present a new ability, then it means Yoshifumi can deal with it using only the abilities he currently has.
Well, I’ll be extra careful anyway.
Yoshifumi manifested the Wandering Edge.
This is the strongest weapon that completely erases the target.
That blade flies toward the past and can make the target have never existed from the past.
It can also alter the past without killing, but that is merely an application.
For the time being, since he is the Sage’s enemy, he intended to dispose of him quickly without playing around.
Yoshifumi threw the Wandering Edge.
Since he did not intend to hit Yogiri, he threw it in a random direction. It disappears in midair and flies into the past.
It goes to Yogiri’s past, back to when he was a newborn, and pierces his innocent body that cannot resist.
By that, the Yogiri standing before him now will disappear.
Only Yoshifumi, who used the Wandering Edge, can recognize the situation before the alteration.
For others, it would mean that from the beginning, someone like Takato Yogiri never existed.
At that time, various contradictions would arise due to one person disappearing, but in the end, things are adjusted so that they make sense. It seems spacetime has a restorative ability, and it fills the missing parts with other elements.
Yoshifumi immediately felt a sense of discomfort.
If the past changes, the effect should activate the moment it is thrown. That is natural, but even though several seconds have passed since he threw it, Yogiri is still standing in front of him.
And no matter how many seconds passed after that, no change came.
What was that just now?
Yogiri tilted his head.
Yogiri probably did not recognize it as an attack. That is why Yoshifumi has not died. However, that also meant that it was no different from Yoshifumi having done nothing at all.
Yogiri thought Yoshifumi intended to fight because he threw a knife, but he did not feel any killing intent. So he waited, wondering what he intended, but nothing in particular happened.
What was that just now?

Alright, thanks for the translation.

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It seems that the translation supports what I said.
Yoshifumi’s knife is capable of completely erasing a person as if they never existed in the first place, and everyone would forget them as if they had never existed. Yoshifumi threw the knife in the present in a random direction, and it traveled to the past. It went to Yogiri’s past, and this supports that Yoshifumi’s attack speed is immeasurable. This would also support that the gods and all characters stronger than Yoshifumi possess immeasurable speed based on this.
Also, as everyone can see, when this knife hits the opponent in the past, it completely erases them from all of history as if they had never existed, and even everyone would forget them as if they were never there.

 

[Reiner04]

Note: I’ve only read the OP. I haven’t gone through the three pages of yap, so if there’s any specific post you want me to look at, please quote me.

1. History Regen will be changed to MGR

I disagree. I find the following scan convincing enough:

prove how gods regenerate

However, I haven’t read the 3–4 pages of novel excerpts linked in the OP for context. Those probably shouldn’t have been linked in full anyway. if they were necessary, a concise summary of the relevant portions should have been provided. If the only relevant point is that the ability was used once, I don’t think that alone is enough to override the statement shown in the previous scan about gods surviving Mitsuki’s erasure, unless the statement itself is unreliable, or the nature of Mitsuki’s erasure isn’t properly understood in the verse.

Another issue I have is with the posts linked in the OP. It would be better to include only the relevant scans and quote the necessary parts of the previous arguments. Linking entire posts is unnecessary when creating a new thread itself. New threads should be independently made.

2. Immeasurable Speed will be changed to MFTL+

I agree with this.

I can change my mind depending on any convincing arguement from either side tho. But please quote me since i won't read pages of discussion.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Note: I’ve only read the OP. I haven’t gone through the three pages of yap, so if there’s any specific post you want me to look at, please quote me.


I disagree. I find the following scan convincing enough:

Same UEG that mentions attacking her concept is enough while mentioning core destruction and her concept (mentioned AFTER fighting toichiro and rick btw, showing neither of them attacked her concept at all) are two completely different things leaving them as unrelated to one another if they get destroyed, as well as erasure in the series is used along multiple different things like physical obliteration and what not due to how the mechanics behind said Gods and their Omnipotence works (aka a mental battle). So if you overcome another, you basically have them going 'that's tuff, actually'.

Large scale attacks are even meant to be considered 'more effective' because of this (destroying a universe with them in it and so on).

However, I haven’t read the 3–4 pages of novel excerpts linked in the OP for context. Those probably shouldn’t have been linked in full anyway. if they were necessary, a concise summary of the relevant portions should have been provided. If the only relevant point is that the ability was used once, I don’t think that alone is enough to override the statement shown in the previous scan about gods surviving Mitsuki’s erasure, unless the statement itself is unreliable, or the nature of Mitsuki’s erasure isn’t properly understood in the verse.

Mitsuki's history erasure ties into the fact it's tied to his domain/dream (the celestial foundation he covers), if you get erased to that extent then he forgets you, essentially making it a type of 'super erasure' which falls in on itself the moment you think about it for more than two seconds.

If he tried it before then how exactly would he know if it worked or not unless (and this is the ONLY way it'd work btw) 'said god he tried to erase came back and told him it worked to essentially zero effect'. There's ZERO proof or showing a god can survive something like that, either.

Another issue I have is with the posts linked in the OP. It would be better to include only the relevant scans and quote the necessary parts of the previous arguments. Linking entire posts is unnecessary when creating a new thread itself. New threads should be independently made.

I assure you, much of this is very relevant.

 

[Hecky2222]

However, I haven’t read the 3–4 pages of novel excerpts linked in the OP for context. Those probably shouldn’t have been linked in full anyway. if they were necessary, a concise summary of the relevant portions should have been provided. If the only relevant point is that the ability was used once, I don’t think that alone is enough to override the statement shown in the previous scan about gods surviving Mitsuki’s erasure, unless the statement itself is unreliable, or the nature of Mitsuki’s erasure isn’t properly understood in the verse.

Problem generally about History EE isn't only tied the fact it is unique ability

But way how Existence Erasure expressed in verse

This is crazy cherry picking.

The fact he forgets about gods means he doesn't even remember if they can regenerate from it or not. This is not even hard to connect that erasure Alexia talking about is very different thing. How they would even remember the fact they can regenerate from Erasure Bold if it straight up erases past, present, future of character to point Gods forget that even. This is non-sequitur. It is clear she is talking about different thing that she knows and remembers.

Cases by cases:
1. Gods "erasure" and sealing isn't rare thing. Any god can erase another god, hence sealing is better option
2. Toichoru erased UEG, but she straight up came back from it
3. UEG was erased by Rick, but later we know she still comes back

All that just proves the thing Alexia talking to UEG, implies erasures don't work, since sealing has always been better option.

"I believed it was also acceptable to kill you. You and the UEG both lost, so erasing you completely seemed appropriate. But Lord Mitsuki is kinder than I am."

"Kind? If he's so kind, why did he seal me away?!" "He was kind in that he did not take your life. Then again, if he had, you would have just revived somewhere else, so if he wished to never see you again, sealing you away was perhaps the best option.

This is obviously talking about existence erasure won't work not erasure bolt itself, seeing how UEG regenerated from previous attacks. Because it makes no sense, them knowing fact about "UEG can regen from History" when Bold erases even fact character is erased. Unless you want to argue about it, it would straight up cancel fact of History Erasure being History Erasure in first place

To assume they can regenerate from his unique ability, you have to think they are Acausals to History thus know the fact they can regenerate. Which straight up gets canceled by fact even Mitsuki forgets the fact they are erased..

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Also, one second, whoever lied about Miranda using a blade like rick when Malna caught the black zetsu treatment instead, you know who you are.

 

[sukuna171]

Problem generally about History EE isn't only tied the fact it is unique ability

But way how Existence Erasure expressed in verse




"Kind? If he's so kind, why did he seal me away?!" "He was kind in that he did not take your life. Then again, if he had, you would have just revived somewhere else, so if he wished to never see you again, sealing you away was perhaps the best option.

This is obviously talking about existence erasure won't work not erasure bolt itself, seeing how UEG regenerated from previous attacks. Because it makes no sense, them knowing fact about "UEG can regen from History" when Bold erases even fact character is erased. Unless you want to argue about it, it would straight up cancel fact of History Erasure being History Erasure in first place

To assume they can regenerate from his unique ability, you have to think they are Acausals to History thus know the fact they can regenerate. Which straight up gets canceled by fact even Mitsuki forgets the fact they are erased..

The only problem is that Mitsuki’s one true unique trait is his unmatched beauty; everything else he has comes from the three goddesses. At the end of the day, Mitsuki is just a human, not a god—he merely wields their powers.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Note: I’ve only read the OP. I haven’t gone through the three pages of yap, so if there’s any specific post you want me to look at, please quote me.


I disagree. I find the following scan convincing enough:



However, I haven’t read the 3–4 pages of novel excerpts linked in the OP for context. Those probably shouldn’t have been linked in full anyway. if they were necessary, a concise summary of the relevant portions should have been provided. If the only relevant point is that the ability was used once, I don’t think that alone is enough to override the statement shown in the previous scan about gods surviving Mitsuki’s erasure, unless the statement itself is unreliable, or the nature of Mitsuki’s erasure isn’t properly understood in the verse.

Another issue I have is with the posts linked in the OP. It would be better to include only the relevant scans and quote the necessary parts of the previous arguments. Linking entire posts is unnecessary when creating a new thread itself. New threads should be independently made.


I agree with this.

I can change my mind depending on any convincing arguement from either side tho. But please quote me since i won't read pages of discussion.

Summary:

Regarding high divine regeneration, it has already been approved in this thread; you can check it.

Now I will explain the reasons in more detail:

First, Mitsuki is able to erase characters from the entire timeline, as if they had never existed at all, as clearly shown here ↓

Let's call it an erasure bolt," the Great Sage said. "If it hits you, it deletes your entire past, present, and future. I guess in really simple terms, it'll make it so that I totally forget you ever existed."

The gods are able to return even after being erased at this level (history), and this is the justification for their obtaining high divine regeneration through history in their profile, which has already been approved, and the reason is:

"I believed it was also acceptable to kill you. You and the UEG both lost, so erasing you completely seemed appropriate. But Lord Mitsuki is kinder than I am."

"Kind? If he's so kind, why did he seal me away?!"

"He was kind in that he did not take your life. Then again, if he had, you would have just revived somewhere else, so if he wished to never see you again, sealing you away was perhaps the best option.

As you can see here, Mitsuki himself is completely unable to kill the gods even with this level of erasure, and he is forced to seal the gods only because he cannot kill them; even if he kills them, they return again, and he even hates seeing their faces.

And also as Sukuna said here, Mitsuki actually obtained his power from the gods in the first place, and therefore timeline erasure is not a special ability at all; all gods possess it. To be very precise, the gods are nearly omnipotent and omniscient, so any ability possessed by one god is possessed by another god because all gods are nearly omnipotent and omniscient, and the difference between them is only their levels, as there is a hierarchy of the gods themselves and a hierarchy of absolute power among them, where the absolute power of a lower-level god cannot affect a higher-level god, and that is all. All gods share the same abilities, but higher absolute power exists, and a higher-level god overcomes a lower one, and the lower one cannot affect them. Other than that, timeline erasure is already possessed by all gods, as well as all other abilities, and what differs is only the levels, and this is the evidence ↓

However, there's a spectrum even among gods. I'm more toward the pinnacle, and you're at the base, just starting to climb the ladder to godhood."

Higher-level omnipotence is unbeatable by lower-level ones.

First, the novel establishes a single principle: gods are fundamentally indestructible, and death is merely another state of existence for them. Even if they are erased or killed, they will eventually return. Gods cannot be permanently killed. Yogiri is the only one capable of killing gods permanently, and this is the core premise of the story itself ↓

Gods were fundamentally indestructible. Even if you killed or erased them, in time they would reappear. So in battles between gods, it was common for the winner to either enslave the loser or take measures to seal them away.

She had killed any number of gods, but death was just another state of being for them, one from which they would eventually recover.

For a god, death wasn’t the end, but she would be unable to do anything
for a significant amount of time.

These abilities are common in Instant Death. Any character in the story can possess them, including total erasure, as well as causal, conceptual, and even informational erasure of gods and certain characters↓

Instant death. Reflection. Time stop. Time reversal. Spatial severance. Total erasure. Conceptual attacks. Causality erasure. Such things were possible for virtually anyone in the sea.

The gods are of course quasi-omnipotent and omniscient, and naturally, since such abilities can be possessed by any character in Instant Death, the gods possess them, as do Mitsuki and all other characters. This further highlights Mitsuki’s incapacity, as he was unable to erase the gods even with all these levels of erasure. Even the UEG, one of the higher gods, has killed countless gods; however, for them, death is merely another state of existence, and they will return again. Even the UEG is unable to permanently kill the gods, even with all these levels of erasure.

Some of us believe in a theory like this: There are universes contained inside larger universes and so on. Why has that total collection of universes survived? If space and time are infinite, then there is a possibility that eventually an ultimate being would emerge, one that could wipe out all universes on a whim. If the possibility isn’t zero, then given infinite time, it is guaranteed to happen. But it hasn’t. From what we’ve been able to observe, once gods reach a certain threshold of power, they disappear. So there must be someone out there erasing them, right? There must be some sort of limit or criteria being applied.”

“Criteria?”

The UEG had never considered that. She had believed gods were indestructible, eternal beings. She had killed any number of gods, but death was just another state of being for them, one from which they would eventually recover.

Rick’s sword is a conceptual weapon whose function is to kill gods on a conceptual level. This is the intended role of the sword. Rick stabbed the UEG, one of the highest gods, directly in her divine essence with this conceptual god-killing blade. After striking her essence, it immediately destroyed her entire existence completely, leaving nothing of her behind. The sword successfully killed the UEG, and then, just one second later, she returned to life as if nothing had happened, standing in front of them despite the fact that the sword had completely destroyed her on a conceptual level ↓

You are a swordsman who has killed gods, and you possess a holy sword designed for such. That combination should reinforce your godslaying capability on a conceptual level.”

Rick had once used the Holy Sword Orz to kill the goddess Vahanato. That fact lent him a conceptual advantage in killing gods. Truthfully, Rickdidn’t really understand how it worked, but if the Divine King said that wasthe case, he could do nothing but believe her.

No single one of these factors was enough to protect Richard from her attack, but with all of them together, Richard was just barely strong enough to fight back.

“Ah, I get it. That sword is the one that killed me, so it’s got the concept of god-slaying infused into it now. Now I’m mad! No more Mrs. Nice Goddess!”

Vahanato brought the weapons floating around her to bear, each of them firing a beam of light all at once. Her attack had been stopped whenshe was holding back, but what would happen if she went all out?

Rick vs UEG

Rick stepped over to the UEG's side. Taking his sword in both hands, he pointed it at the center of her chest. That should have been where her divine core resided. If he could pierce it, she should die. Rick carefully stabbed down. The Holy Sword passed through the barrier and reached the UEG's chest. It pierced through her clothes and split apart her flesh.Any ordinary attack would have failed to reach the core that resided underneath, but the god-slaying Holy Sword found it without issue Feeling the resistance from the core, he plunged the sword deeper in. The Holy Sword pierced through her core and unleashed an explosive power. The explosion tore apart her divine core, scattering the body that it had sustained, the pieces dissolving into light and disappearing
Yes. The UEG has been erased." Rick had felt the attack succeed. As if satisfied with the result, the sword in his hands vibrated happily
The answer came from behind them. They turned to see the UEG standing there. She looked no different from before, staring at the group with an exasperated expression

Unbelievable. I definitely felt her core being destroyed..."

Surely those other weaklings who call themselves gods would be killed once their core is destroyed. But a true god has no weaknesses. Even the concept of death does not apply to us

He had definitely felt her destruction. Her body had been erased, and her presence had vanished. Rick was absolutely certain she had been defeated. Yet even so, she stood before them like nothing had happened. He found it incomprehensible. Before such an absurdly powerful enemy, he had no idea how to proceed
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As for informational-level erasure, all gods are capable of Type 2 information manipulation and possess multiple layers of such manipulation, where anything in reality can be altered or even made possible by changing information, including reviving characters themselves. Despite this, Mitsuki and the UEG remain completely unable to permanently kill the gods:

• Information Manipulation (Type 2), Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2), Information Analysis & Reality Warping (Should capable of accessing the higher layer of information of the world.[10] Can manipulate the world's core, a condensation of information that defines the world and influences it.[11] By manipulating the world core, reality also will be impacted from it. Those with the authority of god[11] can freely manipulate the world, which is a conceptual structure.[12] Gods are capable of manipulating the underlying building blocks of reality.[13] Can manipulate the information that defines an individual's existence[3]).

The erasure on all these levels (history / causality / conceptual / informational) is all ineffective. Yogiri is the only one in the story capable of killing gods permanently, and these justifications will also be added alongside the historical one.

Note: Gods can die, but death is merely another state of existence for them, and they can return. This is why some members here use phrases like “killed” or similar wording. Gods can be killed, but death is only another state of existence for them, and they will eventually return as shown above.

Regarding immeasurable speed, Hedgehog and all gods, as well as all characters whose power is greater than Yoshifumi, will retain their immeasurable speed because Yoshifumi himself has immeasurable speed, and this has already been proven here in the comment. The texts have been translated here and you can verify it yourself. So the same justification applies, but it will differ in that gods have immeasurable speed because they are stronger than Hedgehog. Now the justification will change to the gods being stronger than Yoshifumi, and also all characters above him in power, even Hedgehog himself will likely retain it, but the reasoning will change.

Regarding Kuma’s statement, Elizhaa has already responded and refuted everything he said here, but he continues repeating it over and over again just to derail the topic.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Regarding Kuma’s statement, Elizhaa has already responded and refuted everything he said here, but he continues repeating it over and over again just to derail the thread.

Not even close and not even said to be derailing and I love how you point me out you liar.

What happened to not trying to accuse anybody again?

 

[Reiner04]

Regarding Kuma’s statement, Elizhaa has already responded and refuted everything he said here, but he continues repeating it over and over again just to derail the topic.

Please stick to providing arguments and scans only. Staff members can be wrong too, and what one considers invalid may depend on perspective.

So again, no unnecessary comments. Just present your scans and arguments, and let the staff decide what they find valid or not. The thread’s conclusion won’t be determined by a single staff member, it’s a collective decision among all participating staff. And even then, that doesn’t justify dismissing or demeaning others’ arguments.

Not even close and not even said to be derailing and I love how you point me out you liar.

Same here. I know you were provoked but still keep the cool.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

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All credits goes to @Ruler_Star_Kuma, @RaikiKurohane99, @Oblivion_Of_The_Endless, @Hecky2222

So it isn't even secret over wiki flooded by ID larpers and we got wanks that taken out of context. Hence after discussion with UMR, we decided to make staff thread(In case prevent this thread from spam and arguments from mediatok larpers that doesn't even counter nor relevant to thread). So let's begin
Immeasurable Speed or what is it even?
Whole immeasurable speed chainscaling comes from this feat performed by Hedgehog in Volume 7 Chapter 23. At first glance, everything feels alright, until you look at context, which makes no sense if we think this feat performed by pure speed

OTL of Vol 7 Chapter 23

So first question to context of this scene will be "Was Hedgehog in past even or God who was fighting with dude simply performed attack to past? If second, then why tf Hedgehog who remains here in present should avoid attack by moving further into past. Unless it is just him manipulating his past-self to avoid that attack. This can be read even in OTL when you look at this: Within a limited space-time environment, the ability to alter phenomena was only natural for a god. So essentially ability to alter phenomena in context can't be speed, but rather it implies past manipulation. This is context. But what does RAW Translations tell us?


Raws of Vol 7 Chap 23


Translation by @RaikiKurohane99 in discord

As you can see, even in RAWs text straight up tells "it is past manipulation" instead of speed. This is textbook Causality Manipulation which can be meet often in verse, and we have in fiction similar abilities of past alteration

So Proposal 1 includes:
1. Hedgehog "Immeasurable Speed" will be changed to "Causality Manipulation", and everyone who was chainscaled to Hedgehog will lose this speed
2. Hedgehog and Top Tiers will be scaled to best speed calc feat.

Biggest Joke: History Regeneration
This thread aka our favorite LARPzerty managed to take everything out of context and now every god tier has High Godly Regeneration through History, eventhough it was stated multiple times by other users "History Regen is rare". If you are lazy to read. Let me bring up full context:


In very short version of context: History Erasure comes from special thing called "Erasure Bold". It was when Mitsuki was explaining that to Yogiri. This thing has own name "Erasure Bold" and was used only once. ONLY ONCE AND IT DIDN'T WORK.


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Whole context for people who are interested

As we can see, it was used only one time. So this doesn't prove how gods regenerate from Erasure Bold. To assume this is true: We should think Mitsuki uses his trump card everytime and Existence Erasure is rare thing in Verse. Which we can see it isn't. It is like saying any God from DB can survive Zeno's EE(Cringe analogy but you get point of "Best attack that isn't used more than one time" I hope).

But you can ask "Sure, but they have causality, information, conceptual erasure, why don't they use it against each other". Response to it was covered here perfectly:

But we don't say nuke it to LGR back. It was stated soul = mind in Instant Death. Meaning whoever on UEG level would get Mid Godly Regeneration

And based on this we should add this to Gods profile


So Proposal 2 includes:
1. History Regeneration Downgrade, as well it would include why any other regenerations not possible
2. As well stated above. Gods who are in UEG level would get Mid Godly Regeneration Overtime, whereas Yogiri would have MGR Negation
Finally additions
After all nuke, we can add something right?
Yogiri should get Causality Manipulation under his first gate, this would become "Greater Causality Manipulation" for his third gate as a result



TLDR:
1. History Regen will be changed to MGR
2. Immeasurable Speed will be changed to MFTL+
3. Addition to profile

Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:

The OP makes sense to me.

I disagree. I find the following scan convincing enough:

The problem is, Mitsuki's EE is far too different than the other EEs shown in the verse. If he never remembers (and will never remember) the things he erased, there is no way gods are coming back to his dream/celestial foundation, because otherwise that would imply he later remembers them, which wouldn't happen. Think of it like a passive law/subjective reality preventing the things he forgets to exist in the celestial foundation.

 

[Reiner04]

The problem is, Mitsuki's EE is far too different than the other EEs shown in the verse. If he never remembers (and will never remember) the things he erased, there is no way gods are coming back to his dream/celestial foundation, because otherwise that would imply he later remembers them, which wouldn't happen. Think of it like a passive law/subjective reality preventing the things he forgets to exist in the celestial foundation.

I see, in that case i am fine with replacing it w/i mgr.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

The OP makes sense to me.

The problem is, Mitsuki's EE is far too different than the other EEs shown in the verse. If he never remembers (and will never remember) the things he erased, there is no way gods are coming back to his dream/celestial foundation, because otherwise that would imply he later remembers them, which wouldn't happen. Think of it like a passive law/subjective reality preventing the things he forgets to exist in the celestial foundation.

And how is this a problem? The text clearly states that the erasure affects the entire timeline/history. Even if he forgets all their existence and they return in other places, he would simply remember them again once they reappear. That alone is the only reason. How does this even refute anything?

Of course, when he erases them on this level, he completely forgets their existence. But when they return again, he remembers them again simply because they came back. That is all. So how can this be considered a rebuttal at all?

What about the other levels? What about my argument here regarding (causality-level and other layers)? And what about Yoshifumi, who erases a character from all of history as if they never existed in the first place?

With respect, this is a free vote that ignores everything I mentioned and all the evidence.

What about what I said regarding speed now?

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Can someone call Elizhaa and some of the more experienced staff here? I think the staff here are giving free votes, and I believe there is bias toward certain sides.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

The text clearly states that the erasure affects the entire timeline/history. Even if he forgets all their existence and they return in other places, he would simply remember them again once they reappear

The problem is that they wouldnt return to begin with, so he would not remember them to begin with.

Saying they can do it by themselves implies gods are directly going against (or manipulating) the laws of Mitsuki's dream, which there is no proof that they can.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Can someone call Elizhaa and some of the more experienced staff here? I think the staff here are giving free votes, and I believe there is bias toward certain sides.

Can you please stop being unnecessarily rude to not just members but also staff?

You keep accusing others of not reading your arguments or similar, but blaming staff on giving free votes is another level of accusation entirely, and it will not go left unintended.

If you have problems with a staff, tell it to the Human Resources group instead of bringing it to a CRT. It not only has 0 contribution to the topic of the thread but also reeks of hate and bad faith from you.

I sincerely hope you try to be calm and improve your behavior.
Thank you!

 

[Azertyhuuh]

The problem is that they wouldnt return to begin with, so he would not remember them to begin with.

Saying they can do it by themselves implies gods are directly going against (or manipulating) the laws of Mitsuki's dream, which there is no proof that they can.

Alright, and who said they would return within the dream in the first place?? Gods can return in other worlds and completely different places outside of Mitsuki’s dream. Mitsuki’s dream encompasses only one celestial foundation, while gods can be resurrected in entirely different locations.

Mitsuki is completely incapable of killing the gods, and this is clearly shown here ↓

"I believed it was also acceptable to kill you. You and the UEG both lost, so erasing you completely seemed appropriate. But Lord Mitsuki is kinder than I am."

"Kind? If he's so kind, why did he seal me away?!"

"He was kind in that he did not take your life. Then again, if he had, you would have just revived somewhere else, so if he wished to never see you again, sealing you away was perhaps the best option.

What you are doing right now is a major mistake and contradicts everything the novel stated about the principle that gods cannot be killed, and Mitsuki’s inability is clear proof. Gods can return in entirely different times and completely different places; it is not necessary for them to return within the dream itself.

• The gods can return in completely different places, even anywhere they want, and the proof is right in front of you. Therefore, it is not necessary for them to return within Mitsuki’s dream.

he should be unable to restore himself from here." The UEG made extra sure that Touichirou had been thorouglily erased. After acting all high and mighty, it would be embarrassing if he turned around and did exactly the same thing she had done. After waiting a while, there was no sign of him return-ing. It was possible he had returned to life somewhere else, but if he wasn't going to appear here, she didn't care. The UEG returned to the world she had come from, appearing in Touichirou's village.

I also told you that Yoshifumi can erase a character’s entire history as if they never existed in the first place, which means that this type of history erasure exists, and likewise erasure on the level of causality, information, and concepts will not work. The proof is also that the UEG has killed countless gods, yet death was merely a state of existence for them, and they can return despite her ability to erase on these levels (causality / history / conceptual / informational). Even if you ignore the conceptual aspect, erasure on the levels of causality, history, and information still stands, especially since Mitsuki himself obtained his power from the gods.
Do not forget that the gods are quasi-omnipotent and omniscient, so yes, all gods possess all these levels. As I mentioned in my comment, the difference lies only in the level of their omnipotence, where a lower level of omnipotence cannot affect a higher one, and there is a hierarchy among the gods.

However, there's a spectrum even among gods. I'm more toward the pinnacle, and you're at the base, just starting to climb the ladder to godhood."

Higher-level omnipotence is unbeatable by lower-level ones.

Also, could you at least check the new argument regarding immeasurable speed? This is the official translation here.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

Your help is appreciated here
@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Celestial_Pegasus @Vietthai96

 

[sukuna171]

The OP makes sense to me.

The problem is, Mitsuki's EE is far too different than the other EEs shown in the verse. If he never remembers (and will never remember) the things he erased, there is no way gods are coming back to his dream/celestial foundation, because otherwise that would imply he later remembers them, which wouldn't happen. Think of it like a passive law/subjective reality preventing the things he forgets to exist in the celestial foundation.

Can I get your thoughts on my comment here

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Can you please stop being unnecessarily rude to not just members but also staff?

You keep accusing others of not reading your arguments or similar, but blaming staff on giving free votes is another level of accusation entirely, and it will not go left unintended.

If you have problems with a staff, tell it to the Human Resources group instead of bringing it to a CRT. It not only has 0 contribution to the topic of the thread but also reeks of hate and bad faith from you.

I sincerely hope you try to be calm and improve your behavior.
Thank you!

I am not accusing anyone, and I do not have any issue with the staff. I said “I think” (I think); there is a difference between making a direct accusation and merely questioning whether things might be that way. This is not an accusation, but rather doubt, and once again, I do not have any problem with the staff.

 

[Vietthai96]

Your help is appreciated here
@Elizhaa @DarkDragonMedeus @Celestial_Pegasus @Vietthai96

I have the same opinion as Oblivion of the Endless

 

[Azertyhuuh]

I have the same opinion as Oblivion of the Endless

His only argument is that the gods cannot return within Mitsuki’s dream, and therefore they won’t return—is that correct? I already addressed this point here, and so far no one has responded.

The gods can return in completely different places and times. Mitsuki’s dream is limited; it affects only a single “heavenly foundation,” whereas the gods can choose both the location and the time of their return. I already demonstrated this here ↓

he should be unable to restore himself from here." The UEG made extra sure that Touichirou had been thorouglily erased. After acting all high and mighty, it would be embarrassing if he turned around and did exactly the same thing she had done. After waiting a while, there was no sign of him return-ing. It was possible he had returned to life somewhere else, but if he wasn't going to appear here, she didn't care. The UEG returned to the world she had come from, appearing in Touichirou's village.

Up to now, no one has responded to what I said in my last, second-to-last, or subsequent comment.

So far, no one has addressed the issue of immeasurable speed that I reformulated multiple times.

The argument is not based on time alone—what about causality and the other levels?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Alright, and who said they would return within the dream in the first place?? Gods can return in other worlds and completely different places outside of Mitsuki’s dream. Mitsuki’s dream encompasses only one celestial foundation, while gods can be resurrected in entirely different locations

If you agree they cant return within the dream then there is no High-Godly to be had, since that would present an inability for them to return from that kind of erasure.

Also, only their self within Mitsuki's celestial foundation would be targetted. Their other selves in other worlds wouldn't be erased, so there would be nothing for them to regen from, and thus not be a feat for anything.

Mitsuki is completely incapable of killing the gods, and this is clearly shown here

You have to prove they were talking about the Erasure Bolt there in that statement, considering gods can use conventional physical erasure as well, and because the Erasure Bolt is the only EE from his arsenal that is intrisic to his dream, making it extremely specific.

I also told you that Yoshifumi can erase a character’s entire history as if they never existed in the first place

I was told people (including the OP) wanted to address the Wandering Edge in another thread, so I will not talk about it here.

Can I get your thoughts on my comment here

See above, the Wandering Edge is gonna be addressed in another thread, since people dont want to drag this thread any longer.

 

[Hecky2222]

I suppose thread has enough votes, and seems like grace passed as well, so ig it can be closed and applied