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Zenless Zone Zero Discussion Thread

BiggestOpp said:
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Pillar is 116m in diameter or 58.28m in radius.

Pillar traveled up 15.77m
Height of the sliced portion is 44.31m.
Volume of cylinder= 4.73×10^5-1.11×10^5=362,000m3
Density of stainless steel is 8000kgm3
Mass=2896000000kg

The pillar launched up in 3 frames if you include impact frames as movement
3/24=0.125s
Speed=126.16m/s.
KE= 23046868428800J or 5.5Kilotons

Low 7-C 💔
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Added Naito’s corrections
 
Naito-desu said:
There's like three different ones in this trailer but also shit's lowk ****** up cause wdym there's human trafficking of the freaky kind in New Eridu 😭
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A reminder of someone comment a long ago, that One Piece and ZZZ are not so much different
And another reminder that if you like One Piece, you may like ZZZ S3
 
Also I saw that VH talk about Miyabi taking so much L compared to Yixuan, meanwhile I was like: Shungus need more recognition man, there's two or three match she has and only one of it that's actually really good lmao

Anyway tho, for the VH commander tier (the nickname I gave for the strongest non-VH agent), what Banyue will have? Is he going to be like Miyabi (stats-brick)?
 
Kisaragi_Megumi said:
Anyway tho, for the VH commander tier (the nickname I gave for the strongest non-VH agent), what Banyue will have? Is he going to be like Miyabi (stats-brick)?
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Banyue is indeed a "stats-brick".
We'll probably rate his normal state like Ye Shunguang, so "At least 8-C" or something, since he is superior to Spook Shack and the Wandering Hunter
and then 7-C "with Visage of Wrath"
He will be somewhat interesting, since he is Class G with Earth Manipulation/Visage of Wrath.
And his fighting style is unique, mixing Martial Arts with Fire and Earth
His only "hax" will be Fire, but Masked can't remember the temperature values we have in ZZZ for Fire Agents
AthelChan said:
where
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On the wiki
Match with Megumi (JJK)
Match with Gyokko (Demon Slayer)
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
His only "hax" will be Fire, but Masked can't remember the temperature values we have in ZZZ for Fire Agents
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don't think we have any designated value for fire agents specifically, that's probably something that would need to get looked into. i would imagine it'd also probably vary between agent to agent as their methods of creating said fire differ from one another
 
Ye Shunguang had a good match with Mash but it wasn't added for whatever reason (a tournament I hosted)

Fire Agents probably around 500-1000 C since they can turn rocks and concrete red with fire alone but they probably upscale way higher based on some feat demonstrated before. Miyabi's Icefire might be the hottest for example for melting steel
 
Sooshirohl said:
don't think we have any designated value for fire agents specifically, that's probably something that would need to get looked into. i would imagine it'd also probably vary between agent to agent as their methods of creating said fire differ from one another
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Is there a calc method we can use to find the temperature of some attacks (like Miyabi melting the Shiyu pillar?)
 
BiggestOpp said:
Is there a calc method we can use to find the temperature of some attacks (like Miyabi melting the Shiyu pillar?)
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There really isn't a calc per se, you just need to know the material and their melting points. So in Miyabi's case, about 1450 C. Burnice's flamethrowers can also be compared with irl ones

Also I announce that I will be leaving the verse to join the Never to Everness supporters, goodbye 👋 (jk)
 
I hope when Pyrois comes, all the attack animations, specials, ult, everything will be done by Pyrois.
If it dodges, Phaethon doesn't physically move themselves but gets pulled automatically or some shit like hes Jotaro and Star Platinum. Like bro its so rare to see a summoner where they don't actually get in to get one punch in
 
Naito-desu said:
There really isn't a calc per se, you just need to know the material and their melting points. So in Miyabi's case, about 1450 C. Burnice's flamethrowers can also be compared with irl ones

Also I announce that I will be leaving the verse to join the Never to Everness supporters, goodbye 👋 (jk)
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Oh, I figured the faster you heat something the hotter the flames had to be. Thought there was some method to finding that.
 
Any and all material are subject to heat transfer efficiency, no matter how hot or fast the burning is, which is why you can't put an oven at 500 degrees and bake a cake for like 5 mins because you're burning the outer layer before it cooks the entire thing
 
Naito-desu said:
Any and all material are subject to heat transfer efficiency, no matter how hot or fast the burning is, which is why you can't put an oven at 500 degrees and bake a cake for like 5 mins because you're burning the outer layer before it cooks the entire thing
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Well I think the idea is you put the cake in the oven set at a few thousand degrees and the outer layer burns off instantly, and the process repeats as the cake gets flash vaporized.

Put a person in a crematorium and it'll take a while for them to burn to ash completely. Put them in the core of the sun and they're probably getting reduced to plasma nigh instantly.
 
Naito-desu said:
Ye Shunguang had a good match with Mash but it wasn't added for whatever reason (a tournament I hosted)

Fire Agents probably around 500-1000 C since they can turn rocks and concrete red with fire alone but they probably upscale way higher based on some feat demonstrated before. Miyabi's Icefire might be the hottest for example for melting steel
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should fire agents get resistance to the temperatures they can dish out? given that characters like miyabi and burnice don't seem too fazed being in very close proximity with their flames a lot of the time
 
BiggestOpp said:
Is there a calc method we can use to find the temperature of some attacks (like Miyabi melting the Shiyu pillar?)
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BiggestOpp said:
Oh, I figured the faster you heat something the hotter the flames had to be. Thought there was some method to finding that.
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Naito-desu is right about the heat transfer efficiency
However, you can use thermal effusivity to find the heat transferred during the contact time

The main problem is that, in order to calculate heat transfer, the sword has to make physical contact.
Instead, it's sort of a generic "fictional blade beam" that can't really be calculated
In addition, Miyabi's flames are always blue because it's Icefire
It's really weird
Logically, Masked believes that they do produce heat, but they can't prove it

If you can find a place where Miyabi cut something with the physical blade of her sword
and can prove her sword produces heat, instead of frost
You can use Chariot's blog: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Chariot190/Metal_Gear_-_Lock_Slicing
  1. Sword travel speed across the cut
  2. Contact time for one patch of metal
  3. Heat needed per square meter to warm the full thickness
  4. Heat Effusivity of Steel
  5. Best-case transient contact heating
Masked was actually looking into heat transfer for Soldier 11
Since she heats a shield while cutting through it, although it's a little hard to see
We even get a pretty good shot of it later

Problems with this method:
It relies on science, which fiction isn't particularly friendly with
Heating steel with a cut in this way can generate high values, which may need supporting values
 
BiggestOpp said:
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Yeah, that should work.
The hardest part is always the proof.
Masked hasn't been able to find any evidence in-game that Miyabi's blade is superheated.

Soldier 11, for example:
The flames of the sword distorted the air with their heat.
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A violent Obsidian Division W-Engine forged with fire and filled with a forbidden fuel that has been reprocessed using Ether-technology. Its intense heat can be used to clear the entire battlefield.
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The high temperature can clean the battle residue off my blade and even disinfect wounds when needed... Why are you sitting so far away?
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Also, uh
Masked just remembered
The Defense Force has high-frequency blades.
Equipped with the Coyote-PE7 Ether cutter, which boasts a high-frequency vibration cutting blade effective at deterring smaller enemies.
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Edit: Minor change to formatting.
 
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on a similar note i wonder if ice agents being able to instantaneously flash-freeze enemies would yield anything impressive, ik being able to flash freeze a human gets surprisingly high according to the common feats references so i assume being able to instantaneously freeze stuff like giant mechs and ethereals would probably be more impressive

i assume the only issues with that would be A. trying to find what either an ethereal or the mechs are actually comprised of and B. it might face a similar issue with the heat cutting stuff where it'd generate super high values and it'd result in some wonky scaling if all ice agents could scale to it regardless of their actual strength
 
We really shouldn't factor in time period for freezing specifically just because it already violates second law of thermodynamics so we just assume the temperature needed to do so

For heating, we could theoretically derive the actual temperature from the AP needed to burn someone to ash but I'll need to test it out and research the method and see if something could possibly be derived
 
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