[STAFF INPUT PLEASE] Changing Pokemon 'Protagonist' pages

[Bobsican]

I mean i'd only really give them NatDex mons they have a way to obtain within the region outside of trading other players (in lore context, it doesnt really work). We'd also fall into the fact that every Pokemon Trainer would just be the same as the prior but with an entire extra region of pokemon. Not to mention stufff like Arceus drastically change the stats when in literally any game before PLArceus he wasnt even legally obtainable

What? We already went over how this doesn't work and is antithetical to the core premise of the series, please don't try to push your own narrative by neglecting counterpoints and the patent staff disagreement on the premise you're pushing.

 

[Jinx666]

What? We already went over how this doesn't work and is antithetical to the core premise of the series, please don't try to push your own narrative by neglecting counterpoints and the patent staff disagreement on the premise you're pushing.

Or you could actually read what im saying?

'push my narrative' and its literally just me disagreeing with tryna composite absolutely every Pokemon that the trainer has no canon way of obtaining, and would detrimentally affect their tiering. (2/3 of those links you're providing arent even direct and/or meaningful disagreement) Cant stand ppl linking their own posts and then expecting people to just never bring it up again or continue to have any disagreement with them lol

Why should someone like Hilbert/Rosa get access to Arceus? Just cause its coded in the game? Meta-mystery gift events or something? We've already went over how you dont need a handful of mythical/legendaries to get your 'diploma' and that it doesnt make sense narratively for these trainers to access or casually 'global trade' the gods of the world (outside of just...letting the player use legendaries).
How exactly do you incorporate something like Dexit in Gen 8 that physically wont allow you to bring Pokemon into Galar (but no in-lore reason as to why these trainers cant own these pokemon)

Verse is so focused on trying to make every meta-aspect of the verse try and work in-lore when it purely doesnt.

 

[Jinx666]

And once again this ISNT the main point of the OP so can you please stop derailing. All i stated was how I would go about the NatDex mons but this thread doesn't decide anything regarding that. Im certainly not making any protag profiles. We dont need to prolong the progress around here
Only thing it aligns with is making the Dex 'Optional' but...it quite literally is? Its not canon that these protags have absolutely every single pokemon they can get a hold of. and their entire powerset is something that has to be decided by anyone making a thread about them (theyre limited to 6 Pokemon). Calling it standard acts as if they just have free access to ALL of this all at once. Thats misleading/compositing, when they dont (and unlike other JRPGs, their powersets come from summoning and capturing creatures to which there are limited space for unlike learning spells or equipping items for example.)

 

[Bobsican]

Or you could actually read what im saying?

'push my narrative' and its literally just me disagreeing with tryna composite absolutely every Pokemon that the trainer has no canon way of obtaining, and would detrimentally affect their tiering. (2/3 of those links you're providing arent even direct and/or meaningful disagreement) Cant stand ppl linking their own posts and then expecting people to just never bring it up again or continue to have any disagreement with them lol

Why should someone like Hilbert/Rosa get access to Arceus? Just cause its coded in the game? Meta-mystery gift events or something? We've already went over how you dont need a handful of mythical/legendaries to get your 'diploma' and that it doesnt make sense narratively for these trainers to access or casually 'global trade' the gods of the world (outside of just...letting the player use legendaries).
How exactly do you incorporate something like Dexit in Gen 8 that physically wont allow you to bring Pokemon into Galar (but no in-lore reason as to why these trainers cant own these pokemon)

Verse is so focused on trying to make every meta-aspect of the verse try and work in-lore when it purely doesnt.

As noted earlier this is made a whole plot point with the Entralink, Bank and Home (which are even poked outside game media), bonus points for Home actively rewarding dex completions with something more tangible than a diploma, which'd already be plenty by consistently aknowledging the capability to do this (thus showing direct intent of this over just some overly extrapolated technicality on some game mechanic like drawing vulgar content on a character's face), this just proves that you're indeed stonewalling until all opposition gets tired until you're the only one making the call.

We already went on dexit being a game mechanic but just being compromised into limiting the stuff for dexit-era player characters to what's normally obtainable with allowed transfers, retaining known intent while still showcasing their capabilities properly, especially given precedents as noted by staff as linked previously. Stuff like DLC is also "meta" yet still very usable, and this isn't a verse shy of locking playable/narrative content behind them either way.

You're even admitting that the verse bothers quite significantly to address the meta-aspects, at best they can't just be dismissed with canonicity concerns as they're at the point of being the canon to begin with and should be a part of the pertinent profiles.

 

[Jinx666]

Using things like Bank to try and legitimately say that Pokemon like Arceus are just freely traded to one another (when the save files of different players are treated as alternate universes i themself, and THEREFORE all Pokemon Trainers just get the max composited version of everything is just super flawed yeah. Its a major issue with how this wiki scales the verse in general and its an echo chamber in that regard.
You need these systems meta-wise so that people in the real world can freely trade their pokemon. This doesnt mean its completely canon therefore that the player gets absolutely every single pokemon. Not only does it make the scaling tired and contrived, theres just no business lore-wise why you give each player character access to literally every Pokemon just cause its 'coded' in the game but unobtainable otherwise.

Im not stonewalling when you're all literally arguing about something elsewhere of the OP, that all im saying is my opinion against it. Yeah i dont agree with you, im not gonna stop disagreeing with you just cause you think I should, and this thread isnt setting out to decide what we consider as 'compositing'. I entertained it for a bit cause people agreed overall with the OP and it probably needs to be solved if people do want to make protag profiles, but otherwise why dont you stay on topic? I already know what to even bother trying to fix with this verse.

Oh so Dexit is a 'game mechanic', but the others arent? Feels like huge cherrypicking. Sorry but you cant claim a trainer gets every Pokemon they have access to by the sheer fact the pokemon model is 'in the game', but then try and act that from now on, every trainer can get Pokemon that the game will physically not let you trade.
No, DLC is an actual addition to the story and the game itself. Its not Pokemon Home or some random mobile game you get a bit of connectivity to for basic game interfunction, just for an excuse to give every player character composited Arceus stats.
Whats the in-lore reason why someone like Red couldnt get access to a Pokemon way ahead of his time like a Lurantis or something? You wouldnt give him absolutely every single Pokemon as an option otherwise. Theres fundamental issues with the way you wanna go about it.
If you wanna type out every single Pokemon they can have access to, go right ahead. Otherwise i dont see why it would be considered standard equipment when this is all optional for a player character. Huge waste of effort when player profiles can instead be used as a useful regional-limited information, as opposed to just trying to powercreep the last addition.

Well no, cause at the end of the day theyre just ways of trading Pokemon from one game to another as actual irl functionality. They break the fourth wall constantly and say stuff like 'from other save files', but that doesnt mean we should take all that seriously (random npcs understanding how they live in a video game?). Lore-wise then no, it shouldnt be taken so literally. But sadly thats what this wiki has amounted to with all this instead of being objective.
You've literally had to try and mix all the canons and its made things into a mess no one is bothering to keep up with

 

[Jinx666]

Can this be applied then?
This basically concludes with Converting Pokemon Protag pages to blogs for now, so they can be changed to fill a standard for the player character they truly are? Such as making them fit both male/female, calling them 'Pokemon Trainer (insertnamehere)' or w/e, and having their game-composite representation on pages when done as opposed to how the current ones only steer to a certain interpretation?