Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

[Rodriiogo]

how is this even a discussion?

how do you see ryu SHAKING AND SWEATING OF FEAR because of sukuna, and think he isn't far off from him in stats?

Some people here tried saying Ryu has a higher CE output than 15/16F Sukuna at one point

 

[Sus]

Some people here tried saying Ryu has a higher CE output than 15/16F Sukuna at one point

well tbf kenjaku said it

 

[Qurbonboev]

They are talking about his cursed energy output as that's what they can feel and measure

Can you remind me when exactly did they feel/measure his cursed energy output? In what part of story? When he is actually fighting, or when he is just standing still?

 

[Sus]

whether the multiplier is valid or not, the point stands still

16f is massively above ryu, yuji, yuta and make

 

[Zyurtunder13]

All this crying when Dabura is just him and Fraudkuna and Weakjo are just way below him in strength, speed and durability, Staff decided it, and you would need actual arguments to change it

 

[Rodriiogo]

Can you remind me when exactly did they feel/measure his cursed energy output? In what part of story? When he is actually fighting, or when he is just standing still?

When he was at the USA for an unknown period of time off-screen. We don't know how they did it but the narrative statements and the promo material proves it even further alongside all the narrative intentions and Yuji being there.

All this crying when Dabura is just him and Fraudkuna and Weakjo are just way below him in strength, speed and durability, Staff decided it, and you would need actual arguments to change it

"I'm a sheep, staff said it so it's true, I have no good points" Like brother chill

Same staff that ignored the points entirely btw (didn't even reply to it), literally no one that actually read JJK and Modulo will tell you Dabura is miles stronger than Sukuna in terms of physicals other than speed obviously.

 

[Sus]

All this crying when Dabura is just him and Fraudkuna and Weakjo are just way below him in strength, speed and durability, Staff decided it, and you would need actual arguments to change it

talking like they are the gods of olympus grandson

 

[Sus]

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this shit keeps popping up im gonna crash out

 

[Rodriiogo]

this shit keeps popping up im gonna crash out

It ain't happening to me

 

[Sus]

can gojo kill mahito without his domain?

 

[GTsek]

All this crying when Dabura is just him and Fraudkuna and Weakjo are just way below him in strength, speed and durability, Staff decided it, and you would need actual arguments to change it

As if what the staff decided reflected the reality of things. If that were true, we wouldn't have Chocho at Rikudo Senin's level here in the profiles...

 

[Qurbonboev]

When he was at the USA for an unknown period of time off-screen

It's unlikely Dabura was outputting cursed energy to the fullest there, so comparison between his and Sukuna cursed energy output isn't reliable

but the narrative statements and the promo material proves it even further alongside all the narrative intentions and Yuji being there.

Take your time, and collect every piece of evidence of physical stats relativity between Dabura and Sukuna. (Also, scaling Yuji to Dabura was denied too, so it would be need to proved independently).

 

[Sus]

none of em do

sorry to bring up this again, but i checked and in the yorozu fight we are told sukuna does indeed amp his shikigami with his high output

mahoraga seems to be the only one whose power is completely independent of its user

 

[Duedate8898]

can gojo kill mahito without his domain?

Probably. Blue and Purple should be able to damage Mahito's body to degrees that either surpass the limits of his regen or incur enough damage that he can't reconstitute himself. And Gojo might have enough awareness of the soul through six eyes to hurt him normally anyway

 

[Legacy30]

He amped the semi-liquid state of the shikigamis, not their full forms. It was to ensure they don't destabilize and lose power. It's not stated that the full forms can benefit from getting amped by his CE.

Spoiler

 

[Zabazab]

Ryu can tank 16F Sukuna's Dismantle because we both see that happen and Sukuna says it himself. Ryu also has higher CE output than 16F Sukuna because, again, we are told as much in the manga. Ryu still gets blitzed and Cleaved.

can gojo kill mahito without his domain?

I'd argue he can't, unless it's possible to exhaust Mahito's cursed energy by forcing him to maintain the shape of his own soul.

 

[Sus]

Ryu can tank 16F Sukuna's Dismantle because we both see that happen and Sukuna says it himself. Ryu also has higher CE output than 16F Sukuna because, again, we are told as much in the manga. Ryu still gets blitzed and Cleaved.

except "in history" would include heian era sukuna
kenjaku forgor

 

[Duedate8898]

He amped the semi-liquid state of the shikigamis, not their full forms. It was to ensure they don't destabilize and lose power. It's not stated that the full forms can benefit from getting amped by his CE.

Spoiler

They definitely do get an amp from Sukuna's high output. Hence why his Nue and Max elephant are larger than Megumi's. It's probably that Mahoraga is already so strong as a normal shikigami that he doesn't get as much of a boost from being tamed by Sukuna as the rest do. Hence why it's been so difficult for previous Ten Shadow users to tame him.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

can gojo kill mahito without his domain?

Imo, due to Gojo heing able to look into sukuna and see Megumi's soul, i think he genuinely kills her with punches.
outside of my personal opinion, he'll just keep attacking him with blue til mahito runs out of ce and dies

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I'd argue he can't, unless it's possible to exhaust Mahito's cursed energy by forcing him to maintain the shape of his own soul.

 

[GTsek]

Imo, due to Gojo heing able to look into sukuna and see Megumi's soul, i think he genuinely kills her with punches.
outside of my personal opinion, he'll just keep attacking him with blue til mahito runs out of ce and dies

He was also able to see Sukuna's soul "fused" with Yuji's in the second chapter.

 

[Sus]

yeah nvm my question was lowkey dumb

gojo one shots

 

[BiggestOpp]

Probably. Blue and Purple should be able to damage Mahito's body to degrees that either surpass the limits of his regen or incur enough damage that he can't reconstitute himself. And Gojo might have enough awareness of the soul through six eyes to hurt him normally anyway

Gojo kicked Mahito in Shibuya. Mahito did not mention that Gojo could harm his soul

 

[Sus]

Gojo kicked Mahito in Shibuya. Mahito did not mention that Gojo could harm his soul

it was probably a given since it was jujutsu god kicking him

 

[Zabazab]

except "in history" would include heian era sukuna
kenjaku forgor

Nah that was apparantly a mistranslation. It was highest output in the history of [the region he's from]. The legit statement is highest output among all Culling Game Players.

 

[BiggestOpp]

it was probably a given since it was jujutsu god kicking him

Mahito literally laughed it off and took no damage. Gojo cannot damage the soul

 

[Sus]

Nah that was apparantly a mistranslation. It was highest output in the history of [the region he's from]. The legit statement is highest output among all Culling Game Players.

ryu joined kashimo in the "strongest of the farm" agenda

 

[MinatoSparkle]

His CT is being affected even more yes everytime he goes to hit them because megumi's resistance gets even stronger. But that doesn't change the fact that his cursed energy output is already at 10% even without him harming them and cursed energy output refers to everything and is, once again,

His statement is made in reference to Yuji tanking his Dismantle net. Sukuna hadn't even fought physically yet (other than that one seemingly casual punch that one shot Pre-Rage Amp Yuji).

why he can't blitz them despite being able to when at 100%. You're acting like one statement erases the other.

I'm not. I acknowledged that Sukuna is physically nerfed, all I'm saying is that his physicals aren't at 10%. Although regardless, I do think the 16F Sukuna blitzing Ryu feat is questionable (brief summary: I think Ryu was mentally nerfed), but that's a whole other discussion and not the most relevant to the topic so let's not get into that.

Except it logically (sadly for my fellow Jane Juliet enjoyers, I also believed in this before but dont anymore) can not be a FP dismantle. If you want even further proof of this:

• Heres a sukuna WAAAY weaker than his 16F self

He's weaker for sure, but idt there's proof that he's "WAAAY weaker." In the Yuta fight, he was marginally weaker (doing marginally less damage to Yuta with Dismantle than he did to Ryu, with those two being in the same tier even if Ryu's a bit tougher), his output got dropped significantly, but then he amped himself with 3 Black Flashes. He's probably still weaker than Yuta fight Sukuna, but it's unquantifiable by how much.

• doing extreme damage to Shinjuku Awakened Maki with his dismantles from a long distance after a black flash

Extreme damage is a pretty big exaggeration. We see blood fly, but that doesn't mean she was on death's door or anything. And it was also a barrage of Dismantles, unlike the single one he used against Ryu (and seemingly on the stomach which I'm pretty sure is less tough than the chest, but that's a side point). I also wouldn't say it's contradictory for Ryu to be more durable than Maki, even if only marginally.

• (note that this literally takes maki out of the fight)

She was out of the battle for a bit, but it's not like it knocked her unconscious or anything given that she was standing when Sukuna used his domain.

• Heres Shinjuku Yuji considering the dismantle rain from a Sukuna also way weaker than his 16F self

Marginally

• as something that would have killed him if he didn't have RCT.

Ryu would die from a Barrage of 16F Dismantles regardless of if Sukuna was going all out or not. One slash did pretty good, just not fatal damage. Also Ryu is a decent bit tougher than Pre-Awakening Yuji.

This not even touching on the fact that Sukuna was not interested in Ryu, which would affect his output to begin with.

Except Sukuna clarifies that it's not a matter of holding back due to disinterest, but to being unable to kill him without Cleave. If anything, Sukuna should've been "fired up" by Ryu's toughness given his expression and words of praise, and just powered up his Dismantle to one shot Ryu if the situation was really how you're framing it.

Also we see that not even attacks 2.5x stronger than an opponent relative to you can one shot the other (Black Flash),

That depends. Mahito pretty much one shot Todo, Gojo knocked out Sukuna, and Yuji one shot an ISB Mahito much stronger than him (who was admittedly at low health, but still).

if Sukuna scales to his cleave, which can one shot Ryu, it is indeed not crazy to say he can be that much stronger and the rest is stacked up to how he uses his attacks and his cursed energy wavering.

Sukuna doesn't scale to his Cleave in AP just cause Gojo withstood it. Sukuna is much more durable than he is strong, and the same can be true of Gojo. Does Sukuna actually damage Gojo with just physicals? Even when using DA (which I think is a stat amp, though ik that's considered contentious), Sukuna's punches just knocked Gojo back a bit, Gojo doesn't show actual pain. Much how characters can sometimes tank a BF from a peer, Gojo withstanding a Cleave while he and Sukuna aren't close to matching Cleave's AP with punches is fine.

The other part was simply to prove to you that dismantles can get stronger.

Mmmk

 

[Zabazab]

ryu joined kashimo in the "strongest of the farm" agenda

Ryu is called the strongest at something, Kashimo is never said to be the strongest. Maybe the strongest of Tokyo Colony No.2 lol

 

[Duedate8898]

Gojo kicked Mahito in Shibuya. Mahito did not mention that Gojo could harm his soul

Gojo and Mahito have a single interaction where Mahito tries to hit Gojo, fails, then dodges his attack. Gojo never hit Mahito in the anime or manga.

 

[BiggestOpp]

Gojo and Mahito have a single interaction where Mahito tries to hit Gojo, fails, then dodges his attack. Gojo never hit Mahito in the anime or manga.

Eh? To me it looks like Gojo hit him. Sound effects says VWAK, usually a miss is a whoosh(?)

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

gojo never hit that man so we don't know if he can affect the soul (though there's much evidence that he can)
Mahito dodging Gojo what idiotic Shibuya Gojo downplayers use to say that Gojo is slower than 15F sukuna

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

heck, mahito cut off his own arm before gojo could hit him like jogo does a panel or two later

 

[Rodriiogo]

Take your time, and collect every piece of evidence of physical stats relativity between Dabura and Sukuna. (Also, scaling Yuji to Dabura was denied too, so it would be need to proved independently).

(Promo Video N1)

(Promo Video N2)


Gege was really tryna say something, not sure what

 

[Sus]

(Promo Video N1)

(Promo Video N2)


Gege was really tryna say something, not sure what

dabura and yuji are clearly 1000000x stronger than sukuna and gojo brooo

 

[Rodriiogo]

dabura and yuji are clearly 1000000x stronger than sukuna and gojo brooo

Gege wrote Tsurugi saying "That guy is trash, but we can trust his judgement at least" about him being sukuna level for the bait, inspector general was actually wrong, a random, had no idea on Sukuna's strength and Dabura was actually too strong!! No one ever takes it back or points anything out after seeing the entire fight on-screen because it was a troll as well alongside everything in the story

They even continued the bait in the promo/volumes videos!!

 

[Sus]

whats funny is that yuka thought dabura cant be on par with sukuna because sukuna caused yutas scar

this means
1- yuta never told them how he got his scar
2- yuka thinks yuta is so powerful scarring him is an impossible feat

 

[MinatoSparkle]

how is this even a discussion?

how do you see ryu SHAKING AND SWEATING OF FEAR because of sukuna, and think he isn't far off from him in stats?

Presence isn't just about stats. Yuji was sweating bullets at Yuta's presence, and regardless of if Yuta was holding back or not, Yuji fought somewhat evenly with Yuta possessing a presence that far above him. Hanami does imply presence is tied to one's CT.

Ryu can tank 16F Sukuna's Dismantle because we both see that happen and Sukuna says it himself. Ryu also has higher CE output than 16F Sukuna because, again, we are told as much in the manga. Ryu still gets blitzed and Cleaved.

Him having the highest output in history is a mistranslation, he has the highest output in the history of the Date domain. https://www.reddit.com/r/JujutsuPowerScaling/s/uJYhrpWrk8

 

[BiggestOpp]

gojo never hit that man so we don't know if he can affect the soul (though there's much evidence that he can)
Mahito dodging Gojo what idiotic Shibuya Gojo downplayers use to say that Gojo is slower than 15F sukuna

What abt the sound effects? Gojo tried to grab his arm, Mahito cut it off, but he landed a punch on his gut?

 

[Rodriiogo]

I also enjoy seeing people say that "only yuji scales cause hes much stronger as well" or the "Modulo Yuji slams Sukuna no diff" people cause it'd mean everyone in the jujutsu society, especially Miyaguni considering we got confirmation that Yuji was the one that trained her and was her "master", were panicking for no reason cause they forgot Yuji is actually millions of times stronger ig. They also said it would be a "duel" between Dabura and Yuji when saying Dabura was Sukuna level at the same time. They forgot he one shots Sukuna level