Zabazab
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This one was mistranslated yes? He was saying that Jogo was the only character in the story available to fight Sukuna, he wasn't making a comparison of power.
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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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I think that was already the case (maho getting stronger via adaptation) but, how is Mahoraga, after only adapting to Dabura's light beating the bricks out of him but still couldn't dominate Gojo despite adapting to both infinity and unlimited void ?
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but maho didn't adapt to gojo's punches
DarkLock92
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It's the first time Dabura was on the losing end of a fight, and he was pretty scared, so I guess he wasn't focusing properly
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Yeah, once he locked in, he could break Maho's sword with his palm, something Gojo can't do with a black flash punch (non-blue) after getting amped by 3 prior black flashes.
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I mean he didn't need to, if just 1 adaptation already makes him stronger than a sukuna level guy, he wouldn't even let gojo hit him after 2 adaptation.
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Exactly what I thought. In the fight against Sukuna, Sukuna says that Mahoraga's ability to see and reflect the dismantle, and also to attack with negative energy instead of positive, occurred after the wheel turned.
The only event that occurred (besides Mahoraga being pierced by the dismantle) was Sukuna blocking Maho's blow with his hands without damage and attacked Maho with several punches (which apparently drew blood).
If that's true, then the Mahoraga that Gojo faced was also much stronger than Base Mahoraga, Because it took 8 turns before Maho appeared.
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I just checked and there's one more. When Maho appeared after the Black Flash, he took a series of blows from Gojo and ended up being thrown far away and "vomited". After that, Gojo tries to hit him with red, but Sukuna hides him in the shadows and protects him. And we see that the wheel turns, it's the same sound (onomatopeia) of the wheel turning after adaptation. I can't send images right now, but I believe it's in chapter 232 or 233.
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oh right i remembered
so basically mahoraga needs 5 spins for UV and 4 for blue/infinity and 2 for red (according to sukuna)
most complicated technique in the verse btw, almost every other technique is only needing 1 or 2 spins
MinatoSparkle
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Deflecting Dismantle is also with adaptation. 3F Sukuna can somewhat fight him and he was initially cut right through by 15F Dismantles, so his base stats aren't all that. Even the punches he initially took from Gojo may have already been weakened since Meguna had the wheel active when taking a bunch of punches from Gojo.
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Also, Sukuna took a Black Flash and the wheel spins, so Maho was adapted to the Black Flash as well, which explains why he received almost no damage when he took two more Black Flash.
There's no way he could be more durable than Sukuna, who, even weakened, managed to survive the Purple while Maho was erased (including his wheel).
There's no way he could be more durable than Sukuna, who, even weakened, managed to survive the Purple while Maho was erased (including his wheel).
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Wasn't Maho adapting to infinity when Sukuna took the black flashes tho ?
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0 spins mahoraga has no feats
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adaptation is simultaneous
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Zabazab might be worse than biggest opp
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Mahoraga was already adapted to black flashes at that point
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Apparently, he's adapting to everything at the same time, including physically. We are talking about this scenario.
MinatoSparkle
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DarkLock92
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Isn't Fuga dependent on the amount of material that's used as fuel? That's what Sukuna's profile says:
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output is kinda irrelevant because the fight is going the same and mahoraga is going to adapt
the reason 3f could lose is probably because he didn't have fuga for some reason
MinatoSparkle
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Sure that's a factor, but so is the CE with which Sukuna is igniting the pulverized material
And just like 15F vs Maho, Sukuna will pull out the DE + Fuga combo
There's really no reason that would be the case.
Zabazab
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You were spreading misinformation.
If the new Makora statement in volume 3 is real, then it isn't remotely debatable anymore, I'd say. Even prior, Sukuna was likely just glazing himself because he's arrogant and unwilling to say that he'd lose with certainty.
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People are taking the Mahoraga statement waaaay out of proportions and I'm seeing people make some insane claims here lmao.
I mean cmon:
Mahoraga's adaptation has always worked like that when it comes to punching/hitting someone, it was never a "Linear growth" where he just grows in power more and more until he catches up. Mahoraga just changes power depending on what is necessary, that's why Sukuna calls him the ultimate "rock paper scissors", you might beat him the first time with your attacks or durability but then he will always win the next turn. His regular attacks do 0 damage to 15F Sukuna, yet after he adapted, he now started imbuing a massive amount of cursed energy in his attacks which then sent sukuna flying and actually cracked his arm. Sukuna himself points it out how him doing that was already part of his adaptation.
Mahoraga will always adapt to what he is accustomed/exposed to in one way or another. He did the first attack on Sukuna, it didn't work because he was too weak so the adaptation kicked in to make him able to imbue enough cursed energy to damage Sukuna. So if you let Mahoraga keep punching you and fighting you getting more and more accustomed to your power, he will keep growing until your power is useless.
In Shinjuku, Mahoraga was summoned WHEN ALREADY ADAPTED. He was first summoned after already adapting to Unlimited Void as Sukuna put his wheel on Megumi's soul and made Megumi take the burden of unlimited void 5 times. Mahoraga was already adapting since the end of chapter 225 (when the first domain clash happens) via Megumi's soul and only shows up for the first time here in the end of chapter 229.
Mahoraga then goes back to the shadowsand Sukuna starts making it adapt even further to Gojo by putting the wheel on himself this time to where he proceeds to take multiple, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE attacks (both from physical and techniques), all while Mahoraga is adapting to it. It is confirmed that this was not only "adapting to infinity" with Sukuna noting that Gojo is restricting himself of the usage of his techniques so Mahoraga doesn't adapt to them, and then in chapter 232 with Yuji and Kusakabe confirming it as well.
ONLY THEN, in the end of chapter 232 does Mahoraga actually appear and harm Gojo, at this point he is already fully adapted to doing Gojo level damage with his cursed energy just like he was with 15F Sukuna in Shibuya, this alongside the fact that Gojo is weakened at that point.
I don't know why this is being acted out like a big deal I can't lie, it just further proves Mahoraga is the goat and so is his adaptation, nothing changed.
Mahoraga should simply have his keys removed and changed to "Varies with Adaptation; Unknown (Idk where his unadapted version would scale rn), up to High 7-C" (which should honestly have been the case since the beginning I can't lie) as of right now.
I mean cmon:
It changes basically nothing in the scaling (Neither in-verse nor cross-verse), no one other than the god tiers has any scaling to any Mahoraga and it all changes depending on adaptation.
Mahoraga's adaptation has always worked like that when it comes to punching/hitting someone, it was never a "Linear growth" where he just grows in power more and more until he catches up. Mahoraga just changes power depending on what is necessary, that's why Sukuna calls him the ultimate "rock paper scissors", you might beat him the first time with your attacks or durability but then he will always win the next turn. His regular attacks do 0 damage to 15F Sukuna, yet after he adapted, he now started imbuing a massive amount of cursed energy in his attacks which then sent sukuna flying and actually cracked his arm. Sukuna himself points it out how him doing that was already part of his adaptation.
Mahoraga will always adapt to what he is accustomed/exposed to in one way or another. He did the first attack on Sukuna, it didn't work because he was too weak so the adaptation kicked in to make him able to imbue enough cursed energy to damage Sukuna. So if you let Mahoraga keep punching you and fighting you getting more and more accustomed to your power, he will keep growing until your power is useless.
In Shinjuku, Mahoraga was summoned WHEN ALREADY ADAPTED. He was first summoned after already adapting to Unlimited Void as Sukuna put his wheel on Megumi's soul and made Megumi take the burden of unlimited void 5 times. Mahoraga was already adapting since the end of chapter 225 (when the first domain clash happens) via Megumi's soul and only shows up for the first time here in the end of chapter 229.
Mahoraga then goes back to the shadowsand Sukuna starts making it adapt even further to Gojo by putting the wheel on himself this time to where he proceeds to take multiple, MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE attacks (both from physical and techniques), all while Mahoraga is adapting to it. It is confirmed that this was not only "adapting to infinity" with Sukuna noting that Gojo is restricting himself of the usage of his techniques so Mahoraga doesn't adapt to them, and then in chapter 232 with Yuji and Kusakabe confirming it as well.
ONLY THEN, in the end of chapter 232 does Mahoraga actually appear and harm Gojo, at this point he is already fully adapted to doing Gojo level damage with his cursed energy just like he was with 15F Sukuna in Shibuya, this alongside the fact that Gojo is weakened at that point.
I don't know why this is being acted out like a big deal I can't lie, it just further proves Mahoraga is the goat and so is his adaptation, nothing changed.
Mahoraga should simply have his keys removed and changed to "Varies with Adaptation; Unknown (Idk where his unadapted version would scale rn), up to High 7-C" (which should honestly have been the case since the beginning I can't lie) as of right now.
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Rod stop flooding the chat with schizo yap, I’m finna give the CORRECT analysis in a second
Rodriiogo
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You think Dabura is thousands of times stronger than Sukuna instead of them being obviously comparable. Point over really. Mahoraga has more confirmed spins against Gojo than against Dabura before Mahoraga started dogwalking him by the way and Gojo was weakened
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Anyone who says stuff like this is usually full of it.
“You think X is Kagurabillion times stronger than Y?????”
The author didn’t give us these numbers, they’re all the results of our analysis.
You simply cannot persuade anyone of your opinion broski, Dabura is just strong, the amount doesn’t matter.
Rodriiogo
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"instead of them being obviously comparable"
Gojo got halved but don't read my statements in half either, I very clearly mean they are comparable (which they are) so there is no gap at all which you believe there is as you think they aren't comparable. The thousands of times part was hyperbole man don't take it serious.
Zabazab
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It changes indexing in its entirety because Makora currently has multiple keys.
Qurbonboev
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Btw, Staff already agreed to Dabura being thousands times stronger than Sukuna.You think Dabura is thousands of times stronger than Sukuna instead of them being obviously comparable. Point over really. Mahoraga has more confirmed spins against Gojo than against Dabura before Mahoraga started dogwalking him by the way and Gojo was weakened
It's up to you now to dissuade them from this notion (I hope it's not via downgrading Dabura to Sukuna level)
MinatoSparkle
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Mahoraga is an insanely momentum based fighter. While I do think Mahoraga would likely beat 3F Sukuna, idt it's as simple as "Sukuna is arrogant," he's an intelligent and analytical fighter, and his kit is just a good matchup against Mahoraga. Even if 3F beats Mahoraga, there are many characters Mahoraga would beat that 3F Sukuna can't, Pre-Awakening Dabura being the most obvious example.
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bro is gonna make a new manga
Rodriiogo
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I agree, look at the final part of the message:
I was just saying all of that cause some people were actually acting like it changes scaling as a whole in-verse / cross-verse which it does not.
Staff didn't even counter any of the points towards it and most just FRA train'd in the beginning before any arguments against it were even sent (alongside some minor lies, not accusing anyone of doing it on purpose, and they know this cause I talked on the cord with them on it, but be so fr), I'm not doing anything right now because flooding this verse with threads before fixing it from the ground up is useless.
The entire verse needs a rework in everything (pages, scaling inverse and crossverse, etc etc) and this is already being talked about and worked on so it's better for me (and everyone really in my opinion) to hold on.
Once we finish the entirety of it then I will indeed tackle that don't worry. Dabura doesn't even have a page currently lol.
Rodriiogo
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Gege after he makes the entirety of the threat about Dabura being about him being Sukuna level and for some reason randoms try to shift his (awesome) entire warrior narrative and character development into a "power boost" that made him gap Sukuna and Gojo because "OMG LOOK SWORD BROKE!!".
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So you're saying if someone holds back and punches maho with 50% of their power, maho will only adapt to that 50% and not their 100% ?
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isn't this obvious? (genuinely asking not being rude)
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