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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

I personally am more baffled with the fact, that an accepted halfway implemented staff thread, can just be stopped with a opinion of a single staff member and a non staff member.
What‘s even worse is that they randomly started accusing Astral of stuff that he didn’t do and bringing up his Ban. Like not only was that completely unnecessary, but also just very rude.
 
The unprofessional behavior would maybe have surprised me several years ago but unfortunately I'm used to it.

Anyways we just need to stay on topic and argue only the facts and scans. Don't be emotionally swayed one way or the other, stay objective and on topic at all times.

Sidenote: Read through the Veldanava revision about separation of GHS/Infinity from Velda (great work BTW @Ciel_Trinity439). Wtf was Hyperguy on? I don't have beef with the guy like some people but it's like their reading literacy was just turned off. Anyways glad that shit went through.
 
The unprofessional behavior would maybe have surprised me several years ago but unfortunately I'm used to it.

Anyways we just need to stay on topic and argue only the facts and scans. Don't be emotionally swayed one way or the other, stay objective and on topic at all times.

Sidenote: Read through the Veldanava revision about separation of GHS/Infinity from Velda (great work BTW @Ciel_Trinity439). Wtf was Hyperguy on? I don't have beef with the guy like some people but it's like their reading literacy was just turned off. Anyways glad that shit went through.
Even I don't get how someone can conclude that All One doesn't exist after reading that other True dragons were born after the split of Velda and Ivarage, of the same origin as Veldanava himself.

Like com'on, this is like grass is green type of thing, how do you get even that wrong
 
The current discussion about Nihility Magic and Disintegration is odd.

1. All the listed/affected profiles can use enough power of the Abyss to potentially destroy the Cardinal World so the change would apply to them regardless even if it doesn't inherently to all users.
2. Disintegration can be seen as a hax in the sense that is uses holy power/energy which is the antithesis to magicules but that doesn't effect anyone with Holy Resistance and doesn't apply to True Dragons. It's also NOT why or how it is so powerful and deadly to anyone caught in it.
3. The reason why it's so powerful is because it causes Spiritrons to fall apart and disperse. Spiritrons being a subatomic like particle for all spiritual matter in the verse. It can bypass different barriers and such but that is only if the construct or individual doesn't possess understanding of their laws aka Laws of Natural Spiritron Transference 「〝霊子〟が自然転移する法則性, reishi ga shizen ten'i suru hōsoku-sei」. This isn't even the only way one can offset or block them anyways.
 
It would be better for him to post the threads in the Content Revision section. The reason these issues are happening is that he keeps opening many threads in the staff section, which has annoyed some staff members. I also think that Antvasima is not comfortable with this situation, as he sees it as an attempt to prevent dissenting users from discussing things, which ends up escalating the situation in this way.

I’m not entirely sure about this, but it’s my personal opinion, and I’m certain this is also part of the problem. So you can simply open it in the Content Revision section and refute all the objections there, and that way you won’t run into any issues.
 
Even I don't get how someone can conclude that All One doesn't exist after reading that other True dragons were born after the split of Velda and Ivarage, of the same origin as Veldanava himself.

Like com'on, this is like grass is green type of thing, how do you get even that wrong
Yeah it's not a chicken or egg scenerio.

The timeline of events requires for GHS to exist prior to Velda, as well as after he split in order for the story to function narratively and not contradict itself.
 
It would be better for him to post the threads in the Content Revision section. The reason these issues are happening is that he keeps opening many threads in the staff section, which has annoyed some staff members. I also think that Antvasima is not comfortable with this situation, as he sees it as an attempt to prevent dissenting users from discussing things, which ends up escalating the situation in this way.

I’m not entirely sure about this, but it’s my personal opinion, and I’m certain this is also part of the problem. So you can simply open it in the Content Revision section and refute all the objections there, and that way you won’t run into any issues.
They have done that so many times in the past and it end up with billion page of discussing nothing
 
It would be better for him to post the threads in the Content Revision section. The reason these issues are happening is that he keeps opening many threads in the staff section, which has annoyed some staff members. I also think that Antvasima is not comfortable with this situation, as he sees it as an attempt to prevent dissenting users from discussing things, which ends up escalating the situation in this way.

I’m not entirely sure about this, but it’s my personal opinion, and I’m certain this is also part of the problem. So you can simply open it in the Content Revision section and refute all the objections there, and that way you won’t run into any issues.
And drag on the discussion to another 18 pages? Yeah, no thanks

If regular members wan to participate, they can, but it gives them a sense of responsibility rather than attempting to troll.

The first staff thread on tier 2 revision I made is a prime example of what a productive CRT should look like. No trolling, just discussing and exhausting all arguments and counters until both sides reach a conclusion.
 
And drag on the discussion to another 18 pages? Yeah, no thanks

If regular members wan to participate, they can, but it gives them a sense of responsibility rather than attempting to troll.

The first staff thread on tier 2 revision I made is a prime example of what a productive CRT should look like. No trolling, just discussing and exhausting all arguments and counters until both sides reach a conclusion.
Yes, I understand that, but as I told you, the reason for the issues you’ve been facing is that you keep opening your threads in the staff section. It seems that Antvasima doesn’t like this and sees it as an attempt to prevent dissenting opinions from being voiced. This is quite clear, as he always brings it up at the start of your threads and consistently emphasizes bringing opposing views. I think this is something he’s not comfortable with, which is why the situation has escalated to this point.

I’m not completely certain about this, but I’ve explained the issue, and I think you’re already aware of it.

Post your thread in the Content Revision section, and clearly state that derailing, trolling, or flooding the thread with unhelpful comments is not allowed, and that any violations will be reported. Also, ask a staff member to reinforce this in your thread. That way, no one will dare to disrupt it, and any non-constructive comments can be removed.

Try opening your next thread in the Content Revision section and we’ll see what happens. Follow what I suggested, and we’ll see if things really escalate the way you’re expecting. If that does happen, it would serve as evidence for everyone that opening threads in the staff section has its importance. You could then request for it to be moved to the staff section and continue the discussion there, similar to what @ShinMaximillion did.
 
Yes, I understand that, but as I told you, the reason for the issues you’ve been facing is that you keep opening your threads in the staff section. It seems that Antvasima doesn’t like this and sees it as an attempt to prevent dissenting opinions from being voiced. This is quite clear, as he always brings it up at the start of your threads and consistently emphasizes bringing opposing views. I think this is something he’s not comfortable with, which is why the situation has escalated to this point.

I’m not completely certain about this, but I’ve explained the issue, and I think you’re already aware of it.
That is why I always ask him to give unlimited post perm to opposition that may come. I'm not silencing opposition, I'm preventing unproductive repetitive discussion.
Post your thread in the Content Revision section, and clearly state that derailing, trolling, or flooding the thread with unhelpful comments is not allowed, and that any violations will be reported. Also, ask a staff member to reinforce this in your thread. That way, no one will dare to disrupt it, and any non-constructive comments can be removed.
Aa if that hasn't been done many times before... it always ends up the same way.

A prime example is the Veldanava key Divisison. The first counter argument was the same as the last counter argument. New People did not read the discussion in-between. And that, although it isn't trolling, is still very much redundant.

What a staff thread does is basically force the opposition to unite their argument and bring them productively, rather than different users repeating the same arguments over and over and over again.
Try opening your next thread in the Content Revision section and we’ll see what happens. Follow what I suggested, and we’ll see if things really escalate the way you’re expecting. If that does happen, it would serve as evidence for everyone that opening threads in the staff section has its importance. You could then request for it to be moved to the staff section and continue the discussion there, similar to what @ShinMaximillion did.
Sure to that, I can give it another chance.
 
What‘s even worse is that they randomly started accusing Astral of stuff that he didn’t do and bringing up his Ban. Like not only was that completely unnecessary, but also just very rude.
I find it funny that they bring up his ban cause they have no back up plan and just be talking in circles and be minimising the whole situation into a single scan. Instead of using the full capacity of there brain and analysis it fully like a puzzle that needs decoding and use there imagination to the fullest extent possible
 
I had no idea what y'all were talking about so I gave a check
Why was people worshipping someone argued as them being literally gods when that's just a means to use holy magic? That can be done by anyone which is basically the whole point.

Also saw Ant's comment....at least he apologized so won't comment further on it
 
I had no idea what y'all were talking about so I gave a check
Why was people worshipping someone argued as them being literally gods when that's just a means to use holy magic? That can be done by anyone which is basically the whole point.

Also saw Ant's comment....at least he apologized so won't comment further on it
Send a link plz I didn’t put a tab on it
 
Send a link plz I didn’t put a tab on it
Not sure which part specifically you're referring to so

 
Sidenote but there should probs be a different thread addressing timelines more concretely since this one nearly a year old + more translations available
Obviously not now but at some point
 
There's a part where ¿Obera? uses an ability to cut through space or something, and the regenerative power of the world is mentioned.
It wasn't Obera, but rather Obera's opp. The extremely important character 'Tishorn', who's attacks extend to the dimensional realm, which get instantly healed/restored by the cardinal world's healing powers.
 
Having the tiers listed as: 6A in Cardinal World, Low 2C outside. To me, implies that they are weaker inside the cardinal world, as opposed to the cardinal world taking less damage from the same attacks that would destroy a weaker world.

Also seems more like a DC reduction rather than an AP reduction
 
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Having the tiers listed as: 6A in Cardinal World, Low 2C outside. To me, implies that they are weaker inside the cardinal world, as opposed to the cardinal world taking less damage from the same attacks that would destroy a weaker world.

Also seems more like a DC reduction rather than an AP reduction
I would try to address this later
Thinking of creating a thread for UES
 
Having the tiers listed as: 6A in Cardinal World, Low 2C outside. To me, implies that they are weaker inside the cardinal world, as opposed to the cardinal world taking less damage from the same attacks that would destroy a weaker world.

Also seems more like a DC reduction rather than an AP reduction
In crossverse battles, if matchup takes place in Cardinal World, should tiers of other side also be reduced trom tier 2 to 6?
 
Well I don't see why? The Cardinal World isn't making anyone weaker it's just really durable so it shouldn't change anyone's tier. It only matters in the context of the narrative therefore it doesn't affect cross-verse discussion, no?
 
Well I don't see why? The Cardinal World isn't making anyone weaker it's just really durable so it shouldn't change anyone's tier. It only matters in the context of the narrative therefore it doesn't affect cross-verse discussion, no?
Most of characters live in the world which lacks magic and falls under weak world definition in Tensura. In such case it's logical to lower their tier if the place of battle is CW, where universe busters can't destroy the planet.
 
Question for the gang here
Would y'all's say Rimuru got access to the Suspended World as an ability after absorbing Michael or copying Velzard's authority in volume 23?
 
After slurping up Michael. That also gave him Velzard's dragon factor.
This does make me wonder what was the point of saying he'd analyzed her authority in vol 23 then xd. Its implied he only he got her authority after Ciel analyzed and tampered with her abilities
But yeah was asking for the off site thing I'm doing
 
This does make me wonder what was the point of saying he'd analyzed her authority in vol 23 then xd. Its implied he only he got her authority after Ciel analyzed and tampered with her abilities
But yeah was asking for the off site thing I'm doing
Good question. But Ciel had her authority as soon as they got her dragon factor, so at the very latest, he had it all in volume 21. But volume 19 makes the most sense.

And it's also not the case that the suspended world is a ability unique to Velzard or to those that have her authority. Chloe and Dagruel can activate it too.
 
And it's also not the case that the suspended world is a ability unique to Velzard or to those that have her authority. Chloe and Dagruel can activate it too.
Oh def. I was asking about Rimuru specifically since I was unsure when to include him getting it. I'll wait for more thoughts though vol 19 does make sense yuh
 
This does make me wonder what was the point of saying he'd analyzed her authority in vol 23 then xd. Its implied he only he got her authority after Ciel analyzed and tampered with her abilities
But yeah was asking for the off site thing I'm doing
i guess having access to a skill via Michael and having this skill separately are different things. But that's just my guess
 
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