ITS A BUG WHAT THE F*** IS HAPPENING; Valentino vs The Hollow Knight (Hazbin Hotel vs Hollow Knight) [5-9-0]

[ARandomDude127]

After getting the news that bugs were infesting Hell and killing people that range from Charlie’s little bug friend to two Overlords, one of which being Velvette, Valentino decided to see what was up.

Little did he know, someone decided to use this opportunity to spread themselves across Hell.

“You come to MY house, and touch MY things?! Who the **** do you think you are?”: @DaReaperMan @DarkLock92 @TheOrangeGuy09 @MannyQ361 @ShionAH

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• Valentino’s High-Mid Regeneration is restricted.

“No mind, the usurper...Only strength…Kill the usurper…Our light it would suffocate...”: @Mickey1940 @Rex_Eckles @MysticBrawler @Arceus0x @DavidTPPM @Randomuser3412 @Kellex @AppleMaker @Ruby_R_Dracula

Scales to this; 77.90 Kilograms of TNT
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• The Hollow Knight’s Infected Key is used.

Zote pulls up and annihilates both:

Notes:
Valentino has the Intelligence advantage (somehow).
Valentino has the Range advantage via guns…
The Hollow Knight has a ~1.5x AP advantage over Valentino.
The Hollow Knight has a ~1.1x LS advantage over Valentino.
…But Val’s effective range with weapons and hands is the same as The Hollow Knight’s.

The Rules

Speed is equalized.

The fight takes place within the Pride Ring of Hell.

Both combatants start 2 meters apart.​

 

[DarkLock92]

I assume this is the infected key?

 

[ARandomDude127]

I assume this is the infected key?

Yeah I probably should’ve specified that

 

[DeadlyMonarchChewstheDirt]

Is his weapon divine? If so I think he wins, possibly even infects Val with the Radiance

 

[ARandomDude127]

Is his weapon divine? If so I think he wins, possibly even infects Val with the Radiance

I couldn’t tell you, I didn’t see anything like that on the profile.

Edit: I thought you were talking about Val, no Hollow Knight’s weapon isn’t divine.

 

[Alexander]

I still think HW could win against Val, Val biggest disadvantages are his shitty eyesight

 

[DarkLock92]

Is his weapon divine? If so I think he wins, possibly even infects Val with the Radiance

Val's regen is only High-Low, so he can still be beaten the regular way

 

[DarkLock92]

The infection is also an issue I can see Val struggling with

 

[Kellex]

Infection go brrrrr

 

[ARandomDude127]

The infection is also an issue I can see Val struggling with

Would Val’s Mind Resistance be helpful to mitigating at least part of it?

 

[ARandomDude127]

Infection go brrrrr

Yep yep it’s time for Radiance vs Lucifer after this

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Think Valentino would pretty easily kill the HK by virtue of his range and near-instant regen, that and how HW would start stabbing themself in the middle of the fight. That said, Valentino doesn’t really have an answer to the massive burst that comes from the ENTIRE Infection being released when the HW is destroyed.

Would it count as a Val win if he kills the HW but gets infected shortly afterwards? I dunno

 

[DarkLock92]

Would Val’s Mind Resistance be helpful to mitigating at least part of it?

From what I see the infection is listed as Corruption, not Mind Manipulation.
Though how fast acting is the infection?

 

[ARandomDude127]

Would it count as a Val win if he kills the HW but gets infected shortly afterwards? I dunno

Pretty sure yeah.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Think Valentino would pretty easily kill the HK by virtue of his range and near-instant regen

Valentino has infamously struggled with small stabby people in the past. I'll give you the range thing (even though HK should have tens of meters with abilities and shouldn't be below standard melee range physically, because he's actually not that short).
The Infection doesn't typically immediately kill or even incapacitate people, so I'm not sure it would even count as Val losing here.

 

[ARandomDude127]

From what I see the infection is listed as Corruption, not Mind Manipulation.

Hollow Knight’s profile is kinda butt rn, look at Radiance’s profile to get an actual scope of what the Infection does.

Think Valentino would pretty easily kill the HK by virtue of his range and near-instant regen, that and how HW would start stabbing themself in the middle of the fight. That said, Valentino doesn’t really have an answer to the massive burst that comes from the ENTIRE Infection being released when the HW is destroyed.

Niffty lost to Knight despite this due to Knight having AOE attacks/attacks that are much bigger than them, which Hollow Knight has here too.

It’d be annoying to deal with but I don’t see why HK couldn’t eventually overwhelm it, considering it wouldn’t instantly heal the bigger wounds iirc

 

[Randomuser3412]

The Hollow Knight also has Immortality Type 2 and a durability advantage, so it won't be going down to a few shots any time soon. Especially not with Val's awful aim.

 

[DarkLock92]

Hollow Knight’s profile is kinda butt rn, look at Radiance’s profile to get an actual scope of what the Infection does.

The infection still isn't mind manip from what I can see, so Val doesn't resist it

 

[ARandomDude127]

The Infection doesn't typically immediately kill or even incapacitate people, so I'm not sure it would even count as Val losing here.

Kill, probably not. Incapacitate, most DEFINITELY.

Val would go to sleep, wake up with a broken mind and become a slave to the Radiance, and it doesn’t take super long iirc, once you beat one of the Dreamers within Hollow Knight, a cutscene of the Infection breaking from the Black Egg plays, and once you go back to Forgotten Crossroads, almost EVERY creature there is fully corrupted.

Plus the Infected projectiles HK produces are corrosive, so that helps here too even if you think Val couldn’t submit to the actual Infection

 

[ARandomDude127]

The infection still isn't mind manip from what I can see, so Val doesn't resist it

Ouchie, might be a problem.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Though how fast acting is the infection?

No clue tbh. Though Myla got infected within a few hours just from being near the Black Egg, a sort of barrier containing the Hollow Knight, whose whole purpose is also to seal it away, a.k.a. they got infected with two layers of protection, and while still being a fair distance from the source.

We do also know that the Infection also goes off of your dreams and desires, promising you whatever you want the most were you to fall for it.
And considering how power hungry Val is, ya know

The Infection doesn't typically immediately kill or even incapacitate people, so I'm not sure it would even count as Val losing here.

It sorta kills the host, kinda just turns you into a puppet for the Radiance.

 

[MysticBrawler]

From what I can tell it seems like the only thing Valentino has going for him is his superior range, but considering he likes to close the distance due to his poor eyesight it it seems unlikely that he would be able to capitalize on it. Plus the Hollow Knight is currently getting a range upgrade so Valentino's range won't even be an advantage for him soon.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

From what I can tell it seems like the only thing Valentino has going for him is his superior range, but considering he likes to close the distance due to his poor eyesight it it seems unlikely that he would be able to capitalize on it. Plus the Hollow Knight is currently getting a range upgrade so Valentino's range won't even be an advantage for him soon.

Nah, the size difference is still really massive. For reference, Vox (The TV guy) is 7 feet tall, or around 30cm taller than the Hollow Knight, yet Val still towers over him.

Also Val def has more going for him than just range. For one he has 4 arms in comparison to HW's 1. His regen let him near instantly heal Nifty fully stabbing through his chest and I don't really see the HW doing more damage than that in a single swing. That and his guns can just straight-up one-shot lads comparable to him.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Nah, the size difference is still really massive. For reference, Vox (The TV guy) is 7 feet tall, or around 30cm taller than the Hollow Knight, yet Val still towers over him.

Not even gonna lie that mf has to at LEAST be 10 feet tall Jesus Christ.

Also Val def has more going for him than just range. For one he has 4 arms in comparison to HW's 1. His regen let him near instantly heal Nifty fully stabbing through his chest and I don't really see the HW doing more damage than that in a single swing. That and his guns can just straight-up one-shot lads comparable to him.

I feel like that last one’s a little eh considering we never actually see it happen, but then again it’s SUPER implied Niffty would’ve ******* died so I can’t argue with that.

The Hollow Knight’s teleportation should allow it to dodge a few gunshots and get a good couple of blows in, seeing how it likes to immediately attack after teleporting. Not to mention THK can parry any of Val’s melee attacks since it has a higher LS.

THK’s Pillar Attack could come in handy for attacking a large majority of Val’s body at once, doesn’t help that it deals twice as much damage than usual. Plus each time THK screams it’d completely stun Val for a bit.

 

[DarkLock92]

Let's not forget that Vall can flood the area with smoke to obscure himself. He can even use it offensively if need be

 

[MysticBrawler]

Nah, the size difference is still really massive. For reference, Vox (The TV guy) is 7 feet tall, or around 30cm taller than the Hollow Knight, yet Val still towers over him.

That doesn't really change the fact that he would be at a disadvantage at close range since aside from The Hollow Knight being the better close quarter fighter they also frequently use Teleportation to closing the distance or reposition to attack from above. Plus Valentino won't be able to dodge The Hollow Knight's Danmaku if he stays too close

Also Val def has more going for him than just range. For one he has 4 arms in comparison to HW's 1.

The Hollow Knight uses slashing attacks so they can probably cut off Valentino's limbs or bisect him since the former has the AP advantage , and he won't be able to heal them off due to being limited to High-Low Regeneration.

His regen let him near instantly heal Nifty fully stabbing through his chest and I don't really see the HW doing more damage than that in a single swing.

Same as above

That and his guns can just straight-up one-shot lads comparable to him.

That seems a little dubious considering we've seen him shoot himself with his guns and the bullet wounds don't seem to be that big.

 

[ARandomDude127]

I-I think you told him that alread-

 

[MysticBrawler]

I-I think you told him that alread-

Yeah, i don't know how it ended up doubling like that

 

[ARandomDude127]

That seems a little dubious considering we've seen him shoot himself with his guns and the bullet wounds don't seem to be that big.

I feel like it only applies in Niffty’s case because of the gargantuan size difference

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

That doesn't really change the fact that he would be at a disadvantage at close range since aside from The Hollow Knight being the better close quarter fighter they also frequently use Teleportation to closing the distance or reposition to attack from above.

HW doesn't really have much in terms of combat skill, like sure they have slower variants of their Pure Vessel attacks, but they straight-up lose those in the later phases of the fight and their attacks basically just become "turn into a balloon that slams into opponent." And Tbh even Pure Vessel is hard carried by the fact they're incredibly strong, like they don't really match the Knight in skill as much as they virtually one-shot us.

Plus, HW has to near fully extend their sword to surpass Val's arm length, and given how close their LS is, if Val grabs HW's 1 arm, HW can't really do much about it?

Plus Valentino won't be able to dodge The Hollow Knight's Danmaku if he stays too close

I mean HW's danmaku ain't the best, it isn't particularly fast and it starts by shooting the ground to ascend to Val's level.
Even the late phase version leaves HW as a stationary target too.

That seems a little dubious considering we've seen him shoot himself with his guns and the bullet wounds don't seem to be that big.

Yeah? It's a gun, its damage is kinda limited to its surface area. Said damage can blast right through Val, Nifty and Husk's bodies.

Also feel like it should be noted how Val's regen means he can basically indefinitely fight and will be in top-shape throughout it all, while HW's Type 2 Immortality still has them accumulate damage. Like they got so weak they couldn't even swing their sword anymore by the end of their fight in-game.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Let's not forget that Vall can flood the area with smoke to obscure himself. He can even use it offensively if need be

Wouldn’t this be a double edged sword in this situation considering Val’s already horrible eyesight?

 

[DarkLock92]

Wouldn’t this be a double edged sword in this situation considering Val’s already horrible eyesight?

I mean it wouldn't change much in regards to that but it would disrupt HK and potentially allow him to close distance more efficiently.

Also Val can just fly

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah I'm gonna have to vote Val here.

He has a huge range advantage, HK is nowhere near as slippery as Niffty, and HK doesn't like, dodge enough for Val to not land consistent hits/shots on him. Plus, any damage he takes can just be regenned through. I don't really see the infection winning faster than Val just like, shooting it.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Yeah I'm gonna have to vote Val here.

He has a huge range advantage, HK is nowhere near as slippery as Niffty, and HK doesn't like, dodge enough for Val to not land consistent hits/shots on him. Plus, any damage he takes can just be regenned through. I don't really see the infection winning faster than Val just like, shooting it.

Val’s range advantage (outside his guns) becomes nonexistent after this CRT pulls through

But vote counted!

 

[DarkLock92]

HK loses to a moth again FRA

 

[ARandomDude127]

HK loses to a moth again FRA

Counted!

 

[MysticBrawler]

HW doesn't really have much in terms of combat skill, like sure they have slower variants of their Pure Vessel attacks, but they straight-up lose those in the later phases of the fight and their attacks basically just become "turn into a balloon that slams into opponent." And Tbh even Pure Vessel is hard carried by the fact they're incredibly strong, like they don't really match the Knight in skill as much as they virtually one-shot us.

I'm pretty sure the Hollow Knight's skill would at the very least upscale from the Broken Vessel/Lost Kin and the Watcher Knights, so they would still be decently skilled even in their deteriorated state.

Plus, HW has to near fully extend their sword to surpass Val's arm length, and given how close their LS is, if Val grabs HW's 1 arm, HW can't really do much about it?

They can teleport away or hit Valentino with their Danmaku at point blank range.

I mean HW's danmaku ain't the best, it isn't particularly fast and it starts by shooting the ground to ascend to Val's level.
Even the late phase version leaves HW as a stationary target too.

I don't think that would affect how effective it would be against Valentino since he's a fairly big target.

Yeah? It's a gun, its damage is kinda limited to its surface area. Said damage can blast right through Val, Nifty and Husk's bodies.

Also feel like it should be noted how Val's regen means he can basically indefinitely fight and will be in top-shape throughout it all, while HW's Type 2 Immortality still has them accumulate damage. Like they got so weak they couldn't even swing their sword anymore by the end of their fight in-game.

When it comes to characters who have Immortality(type 2) the size of the wound has to be decently big in order to incapacitate them and frankly the wounds that Valentino's guns inflict seem they would be too small to do that.

 

[ARandomDude127]

Bump

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[ARandomDude127]

No clue tbh. Though Myla got infected within a few hours just from being near the Black Egg, a sort of barrier containing the Hollow Knight, whose whole purpose is also to seal it away, a.k.a. they got infected with two layers of protection, and while still being a fair distance from the source.

I wouldn’t say NEAR the Black Egg, there’s a hefty amount of distance between the two (Red is the Black Egg & Blue is Myla). Plus we have a better frame of reference.

After you obtain the Monarch Wings or you kill one of the Dreamers, the Black Egg’s control on the Radiance slightly loosens, and a little more of the Infection spreads out to the rest of Forgotten Crossroads. The moment this happens, once you come back to the Crossroads, (mostly) everyone and everything is infected. All three of the Dreamers (who are in Deepnest, City of Tears and Fog Canyon respectively), aren’t that far from the Crossroads and take like a minute or two MAX to get from one place to another. So the Infection should be pretty fast acting, especially if The Hollow Knight is spewing out Infection projectiles at Val, which are also corrosive.

Edit: It wouldn’t auto-infect Val here, but it’d definitely put him on a pretty short time crunch here.