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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Fezzih_007 said:
Who do I need to kill, so they don't remaster TOP

You mean in the 0:22 seconds?


I guess It could count. But considering this happens on ToP, It runs back on the Clock time issue. The 48 minutes is a huuuge anti-feat for Immeasurable speed.
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That can count. But there is another scene shortly after where you can see Jiren turn around mid-Time Skip.
 
It’s hilarious how there’s actually immeasurable speed feats in TOP which is considered a massive anti-feat itself. I wonder how things will go onsite if the remastered decides to keep these feats. I guess it would be consistent which could alter the anti-feat argument.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
It’s hilarious how there’s actually immeasurable speed feats in TOP which is considered a massive anti-feat itself. I wonder how things will go onsite if the remastered decides to keep these feats. I guess it would be consistent which could alter the anti-feat argument.
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The main thing that keeps me from using it as an argument (Jiren turning around mid-TS) is just the idea that it could be an error. If the remaster keeps that sequence the same then it can no longer be considered an error, it would be intentional. Once you establish that a visual is intentional you can then argue it. And I don't think there is much you can say about it. It would just be another example of Immeasurable Speed.

Of course, it is also possible the remaster could change Hit in some way. I'm not really sure what we will do about the remaster version vs original version canon-wise. I guess it depends on how much it diverges.
 
Question—Has there ever been a proposed calc for King Vegeta’s triple planet bust using the standardized Super Dragon Ball based “average planet size” we got accepted?

EDIT: Looking around, the answer seems to be no.

So I tried my best to replicate the formulas/use the prior calc foundation while using the SDB Numbers. This is what I got:

Green line = Planet = 520px = 2 * 18,598.1102 = 37,196.2204 km

Red line = Small Planet = 236px = (37,196.2204 / 520) * 236 = 16,881.36157km

Blue line = Fragment flying distance = 1055px = (37,196.2204 / 520) * 1055 = 75465.4087 km = 75465408.7 m

V = 75465408.7 / 0.52 = 145125486 m/s = 0.48408751497 c

M = SDB mass = 5.083E+25 kg (via accepted calc method given by Planetary Parameter)

Using Relativistic KE calculator would give us:

E = 6.525e+41 joules = 155.9531028845757 Quettatons

Or breaking into Star Level.
 
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RedReaper616 said:
Question—Has there ever been a proposed calc for King Vegeta’s triple planet bust using the standardized Super Dragon Ball based “average planet size” we got accepted?
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I don’t think it applies to Toei continuity since it’s DBS info ( super dragonball sizes) and I’m pretty sure it gets powercliffed by Vegeta finger blasting Arlia granting low4-C downscale anyways

Even so the feat could be upgraded if someone used inverse square law because he busts three planets with one invisible blast.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
It’s hilarious how there’s actually immeasurable speed feats in TOP which is considered a massive anti-feat itself. I wonder how things will go onsite if the remastered decides to keep these feats. I guess it would be consistent which could alter the anti-feat argument.
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If hits ability is accepted as immeasurable speed that means jirens transcending time statement is also immeasurable
 
RedReaper616 said:
Question—Has there ever been a proposed calc for King Vegeta’s triple planet bust using the standardized Super Dragon Ball based “average planet size” we got accepted?

EDIT: Looking around, the answer seems to be no.

So I tried my best to replicate the formulas/use the prior calc foundation while using the SDB Numbers. This is what I got:

Green line = Planet = 520px = 2 * 18,598.1102 = 37,196.2204 km

Red line = Small Planet = 236px = (37,196.2204 / 520) * 236 = 16,881.36157km

Blue line = Fragment flying distance = 1055px = (37,196.2204 / 520) * 1055 = 75465.4087 km = 75465408.7 m

V = 75465408.7 / 0.52 = 145125486 m/s = 0.48408751497 c

M = SDB mass = 5.083E+25 kg (via accepted calc method given by Planetary Parameter)

Using Relativistic KE calculator would give us:

E = 6.525e+41 joules = 155.9531028845757 Quettatons

Or breaking into Star Level.
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You'd need to account for the omni-directional nature of the feat. The KE page should have the formula
 
 
timeskip is both a feat and and and anti feat for speed tbh, hit should be managing to move universal radius in those .1 second timeframes with the base speed he scales to.
 
Hit's ability in the manga only works for people that are equal or weaker than him, and we don't have a profile for him afaik, so it wouldn't really matter anyway.
 
I don't understand what's so confusing about Hit's ability, it's quite simple.

TIME-SKIP
  1. It can travel a few seconds into the future in time.
  2. It can stop time.
TIME-LAG
  1. It can slow down time for specific people.
  2. It can stop specific people in time.
UNNAMED ABILITY
  1. It can direct his attacks to any point in time he wants.
  2. By storing the time he skips, he can create a Pocket Universe with that stored time.
 
Btw, do you think we could get Hakai resistance to be something any Ki user above a certain level has by default like the Gotenks' hole in spacetime thing?
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Btw, do you think we could get Hakai resistance to be something any Ki user above a certain level has by default like the Gotenks' hole in spacetime thing?
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I think every DB character has Countless Layers on their Haxes.

You have 100 Power Level

99 Power Level Someone's Haxs wont affect you. But 101 Power level someone's will.
 
KaramcaS said:
I think every DB character has Countless Layers on their Haxes.

You have 100 Power Level

99 Power Level Someone's Haxs wont affect you. But 101 Power level someone's will.
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That literally is not true. There are countless examples of weaker characters overcoming stronger ones with hax, from classic DB with the bunny who can turn people into carrots or the demon who can kill people based on their bad deeds or Mafuba, to DBZ with Guldo's time stop, Babidi's mind control, Ginyu's Body Swap (literally the whole point of it is Ginyu wanting more powerful bodies), to DBS with Moro, 73 copycat abilities affecting even angels, old techniques like mafuba and body swap affecting way stronger characters, Beerus' hakai seemingly working on Arale, etc. Hell, even in non-canon, time power abilities work regardless of their ki.

There are specific abilities that can be resisted by having higher ki, yeah. But some of them are just weakness of the ability itself (like Hit's time skip), and others are just an inherent resistance ki users get.

Hell, I think there is a thread working on how hax works on the wiki that makes layers invalid if they bypass resistance by a quantity amp, so your logic would make all sort of layers invalid for DB given the nature of ki.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Btw, do you think we could get Hakai resistance to be something any Ki user above a certain level has by default like the Gotenks' hole in spacetime thing?
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Vegeta did that during the Tournament of Power against Toppo, but Toppo is just an apprentice

Frieza resisted Sidra’s Hakai, but it was only a small fraction of its power.

So I do not think no

A true Hakai from a God of Destruction has never been overcome by sheer power or anything like that, only weakened versions or those used by an apprentic
 
Gp972 said:
What do You think of this?
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That's kinda Goku exclusive since he trained for it, I don't think this should be part of a Saiyan base physiology.
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Actually, almost all of this seems Goku exclusive.
Why Soul Vision would be part of it? Tien and Yamcha saw it too, it don't seem to be a special thing.

The bees things is the same, Goku trained to evade them, I don't think this should be given to all Saiyans.
 
Gp972 said:
What do You think of this?
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Saiyan physiology is the hardest page to create, I mean it would also be hard to read because some have their own exclusive abilities both manga & anime, also I don't think we can scale everything Goku has to every Saiyan like how enhanced senses, how the visuals we have from Goku & Beerus fight so currently the anime exclusively has limited space survival, and how the extra senses are exclusive to the anime (we also don't give this to every Saiyan Universe 6) because the extra senses also come from Gohan who uses Super Saiyan as a radar, but Goku doesn't seem surprised that allows him to do it too, but I don't know about the other Saiyans but currently it has been applied to every Saiyan (anime) Universe 7, and lastly Super Saiyan God where the anime has several statements about its divinity:
  • Like how there is a statement "douto no kami"
  • Vegeta explicitly releases his own divinity, and is supported by King Kai who is surprised that Goku & Vegeta can do it alone without the help of other Saiyans
This supports the "God of Logic" in the anime exclusive. Since they are not false gods "douto no kami" based on Whis' statement they can at least be compared to Kaioshin/Hakaishin but Whis is not sure which one or someone who only has God Ki but they are a Saiyan who has brought out their own divine power, like how Beerus was originally a mortal.

Besides that, about resistance is also safer to scale something closest to their physical rather than something they do with supernatural, but both Vegeta and Goku if scaling their resistance to other Saiyans based on their physiology is like they are already different people like in their base form they should not be ordinary Saiyans anymore, because in the anime exclusive Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God and made it his own power then Vegeta went through special training with Whis (like how King Kai wondered what they were doing on Planet Beerus) their base form should be the same as Goku who has Super Saiyan God inside his bode. Because... I made a thread about Tien Shinhan's upgrade to level 2-C, there was a scene where Vegeta healed the wound on his cheek quickly and instantly when he rubbed his cheek with his finger, this looks like how Goku healed his burned hand when he pushed Beerus into outer space.

So in conclusion, I think it's better to avoid complicated things and leave it as it is because even though we know that when it comes to implementation it will take time and consume a lot of energy, but because we have two continuities that are not accepted to have the same view for their respective abilities (except cosmology) like there it's best to leave it alone.

Edit: I forgot too, since we accept the anime as a continuation of Kai, they have limited weather manipulation visually which the manga doesn't have, and some characters have Super Saiyan Grade 2 & 3 because if I'm not mistaken when doing the addition thread, this is only obtained through training, which probably has to do with their muscle efficiency, which is why Cell can't do it well
 
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SwordLegendz01 said:
Saiyan physiology is the hardest page to create, I mean it would also be hard to read because some have their own exclusive abilities both manga & anime, also I don't think we can scale everything Goku has to every Saiyan like how enhanced senses, how the visuals we have from Goku & Beerus fight so currently the anime exclusively has limited space survival, and how the extra senses are exclusive to the anime (we also don't give this to every Saiyan Universe 6) because the extra senses also come from Gohan who uses Super Saiyan as a radar, but Goku doesn't seem surprised that allows him to do it too, but I don't know about the other Saiyans but currently it has been applied to every Saiyan (anime) Universe 7, and lastly Super Saiyan God where the anime has several statements about its divinity:
  • Like how there is a statement "douto no kami"
  • Vegeta explicitly releases his own divinity, and is supported by King Kai who is surprised that Goku & Vegeta can do it alone without the help of other Saiyans
This supports the "God of Logic" in the anime exclusive. Since they are not false gods "douto no kami" based on Whis' statement they can at least be compared to Kaioshin/Hakaishin but Whis is not sure which one or someone who only has God Ki but they are a Saiyan who has brought out their own divine power, like how Beerus was originally a mortal.

Besides that, about resistance is also safer to scale something closest to their physical rather than something they do with supernatural, but both Vegeta and Goku if scaling their resistance to other Saiyans based on their physiology is like they are already different people like in their base form they should not be ordinary Saiyans anymore, because in the anime exclusive Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God and made it his own power then Vegeta went through special training with Whis (like how King Kai wondered what they were doing on Planet Beerus) their base form should be the same as Goku who has Super Saiyan God inside his bode. Because... I made a thread about Tien Shinhan's upgrade to level 2-C, there was a scene where Vegeta healed the wound on his cheek quickly and instantly when he rubbed his cheek with his finger, this looks like how Goku healed his burned hand when he pushed Beerus into outer space.

So in conclusion, I think it's better to avoid complicated things and leave it as it is because even though we know that when it comes to implementation it will take time and consume a lot of energy, but because we have two continuities that are not accepted to have the same view for their respective abilities (except cosmology) like there it's best to leave it alone.

Edit: I forgot too, since we accept the anime as a continuation of Kai, they have limited weather manipulation visually which the manga doesn't have, and some characters have Super Saiyan Grade 2 & 3 because if I'm not mistaken when doing the addition thread, this is only obtained through training, which probably has to do with their muscle efficiency, which is why Cell can't do it well
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yap ngl
 
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