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Loki below Kaidou is a CRAZY take
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One Piece new chapter spoilers thread
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Meanwhile Luffy rn:
TBF, he is going as fast as he can eat so that he has enough energy to fight off imu, knowing damn well that his haki (maki maybe?) is insanely strong.
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also, is it weird that luffy had to literally/unironically exploit zenkais (doesn´t exist in OP but the way haki blooms & grows) is quite similar) against kaido to go on to this point? his 1v1 stalling & fighting him was super pivotable.
Either way, if this type of power is confirmed to be a sub type of haki, called maki (lol) then that means that funnily enough this is the equivalent to evil ki.
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Either way, if this type of power is confirmed to be a sub type of haki, called maki (lol) then that means that funnily enough this is the equivalent to evil ki.
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Imagine Luffy learning that “Maki” so that he can fight Imu equally.
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I doubt it, since it feels like it isn't just demon haki, but more so the opposite of haki itself
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It's cause Luffy is resistant to lightning not because Loki's weak wtf
That same attack had Imu ******** himself. You wanna say Luffy's more durable than Imu?
That same attack had Imu ******** himself. You wanna say Luffy's more durable than Imu?
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bad comprehension, Luffy being confident with beating Loki in his dragon form while also seeing what it can do is what shows Loki being inferior to Kaido
Imu didn’t defend himself and is unaffected still… implied with the fearless smile statement, wanting to see if niddhog was back.
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Imu absolutely defended himself. We can see him doing the handsigns for Omen.
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No we can’t?
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Yee I saw after and was just about to comment
, that wasn’t what damaged him tho
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Imu still dominant at current fight, i think.
He seems succesfully landed attack and blocks, while Loki cant until last page.
Or how yall think? Any other opinion?
He seems succesfully landed attack and blocks, while Loki cant until last page.
Or how yall think? Any other opinion?
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Yeah the only time Imu got hurt was when he started tweaking out over Joyboy, leaving an opening for Loki to smack him.
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Yeah Imu is the one that's clearly in control of the fight this chapter, and he only loses control when he got lost in his memories of Joyboy, which left himself open to an attack. So honestly Loki's comeback at the end of the chapter only happened because Imu is distracting himself.
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imu seething and soyjacking like crazy vs the literal Joy Boy lmao
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he was never confident in beating him in his dragon form?
he was also confident in beating kaidou and he lost 3 times... so that doesn't matter
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Say that to a 4channer I found & read last nightI also think that Loki is considerably stronger than Kaidou.
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He still solo the old genSo this is how my goat gets powercliffed...
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hard to really say. I mean Loki did get healed up and is at full power fighting Imu 1v1. Where Kaido was holding up an island, fighting like 20 different characters (who all had ways to bypass his durability [besides kid... lmao], then fought Gear 5, who arguably did the most damage to him, and to finish him, Luffy had to hit him with an 'island' size fist to put him down for good.
I think we need to see more of Loki, I believe he is equal to Kaidou in his strongest forms, but I think lacks the stamina... (yeah Loki did crazy stuff, but i'm talking in terms of fighting charaters for long periods of time) (also he lost too shanks six years ago btw)
I think we need to see more of Loki, I believe he is equal to Kaidou in his strongest forms, but I think lacks the stamina... (yeah Loki did crazy stuff, but i'm talking in terms of fighting charaters for long periods of time) (also he lost too shanks six years ago btw)
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Him before this panel is him not defending...
Later on after this panel, he's seen smiling, and a statement of being fearless pops up.
You showed nothing. Those "damages" get seemingly cleared/regend after as well
Literally says if he got hurt, he would beat Loki up after he used Thorheim. Not only was he confident, but it's implied he was confident in beating him quickly
He was confident in eventually surpassing and then beating him, completely different with the situation with Loki
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I mean, I completely agree that Loki got low diffed, but let's not act as if he didn't draw blood from Imu with that last attack (no matter how small). It's not like it means anything in the first place since Loki acknowledged that it was an off guard attack. We know that being off guard/not in the right mental state can lower durability significantly. In fact, it's more impressive that Imu shrugged off a direct hit from Loki while paying no attention to him.
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Truth?
I'm not saying what Loki did wasn't impressive, but saying that those showings = being above Kaido or even any prime old gen is and will always be pure delusion to me
It just seems like most people are acting out of recency bias, and some other people just wanna argue just to argue... And I'm not the person to do that with.
but 
Either way, we'll see next chapters most likely
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People scaling Loki over those characters come mostly from him easily manhandling an amped Harald, who according to Gaban couldn't be stopped by anybody on the planet which logically would include Prime Whitebeard and Garp (who he even met with recently).
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Loki Agenda:
Pros:
-Killed GK Harald 14 years ago
-Currently fighting Top 1 Imu
-Has another form we haven't seen onscreen yet
-Supposedly fought all the warriors of Elbaf, probably not entirely true
-Beat and froze GunkImu
-Big Mom believed she could rule the seas with his crew's assistance?
-Ragnir was already like Harald level or something, since he, as a God's Knight, said no one was worthy "...but with my current power..."
-Onetapped a group of MMAs
-Connection to Nidhogg, a contemporary of Imu
Cons:
-People say Shanks beat him
-No "Strongest Creature" or "Strongest Man" statements(Probably because he's not widely known?)
-Got beat up as a baby
Pros:
-Killed GK Harald 14 years ago
-Currently fighting Top 1 Imu
-Has another form we haven't seen onscreen yet
-Supposedly fought all the warriors of Elbaf, probably not entirely true
-Beat and froze GunkImu
-Big Mom believed she could rule the seas with his crew's assistance?
-Ragnir was already like Harald level or something, since he, as a God's Knight, said no one was worthy "...but with my current power..."
-Onetapped a group of MMAs
-Connection to Nidhogg, a contemporary of Imu
Cons:
-People say Shanks beat him
-No "Strongest Creature" or "Strongest Man" statements(Probably because he's not widely known?)
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Shamrock couldn't even handle tied-up Base Loki on his own, needed Awoken Cerberus AND Gunkodon't forget Shamrock
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I didn't really find this statement
Unless you mean this?
Which is talking about overcoming his regen
(And seems to also only refer to himself not knowing the means to stop/overcome that regen, tho idk if that's the statement you're talking about)Which makes sense as he didn't know how to counter it... like what Garp and Roger did/realized against Xebec
Still the only reason he was able to stop him was because of Harald being in control of his body again and lowering his defenses... Otherwise Gaban and Young Shanks were easily able to fight him and deal damage
The reason they couldn't "stop him" was because of his own Haki, which Loki didn't overcome
Overall from what I've seen, that would be incredibly faulty logic still
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Regardless of where you have 58-year-old Whitebeard in terms of his prime, and that prime in comparison to GK Harald, a topic which I'm sure would be immensely fun and not incredibly boring and pedantic to discuss, the important pieces to note are here:
-Harald has gotten more experience and stuff since he fought Rocks. He MAY be stronger than before even in base. Nothing indicates this, so I won't assume it.
-Harald is stronger as a GK than he is in his base form. This means he is stronger than Rocks here. I do not care. I do not care.
-When Harald and Loki first fight, Loki is using his non-Ragnir hammer, which is obviously weaker than Ragnir.
-Both use Conquerer's Haki, as seen by the big waves going everywhere.
-They clash directly.
-Loki notes that he has "monster strength" and is confused where it's coming from, indicating Harald at this point is using his GK-enhanced power and is not weakened in whatever manner people want to argue.
-With Jarul, he is able to overpower him.
-Loki is able to pass Ragnir's "test", which Harald indicates he'd be unable to do Pre-GK
This, to me, indicates that Loki is not inferior to the likes of Base Harald and Rocks, and is likely superior in terms of base physicals, Haki aside because idgaf.
Ragnir-Wise:
-I explained the test thing
-Loki's first hammer broke against it but not against Harald's sword
-Loki's able to kill a non-guarding Harald with a Hao Infusion + Lightning Bolt attack
This indicates that Loki's obviously better with Ragnir than without it, duh, why would you even add this SlendVeny?
Zoan-Wise:
-Harald refers to the fruit as having "legendary power"
-Harald gets his ass beat by Hybrid Loki with no Ragnir and gets ripped up without landing a hit. Loki literally smacks some sense into him
This indicates a high level of superiority. His Hybrid Form is stronger than GK Harald without using Ragnir at all.
Imo, being charitable towards the anti-Loki agenda, and assuming Loki hasn't gotten ANY stronger over time, we're looking at:
Hybrid Loki > Full Zoan Loki > Base Loki(Ragnir) > Base Loki(No Ragnir) =< GK Harald > Base Harald = Rocks
And what we KNOW for a FACT based on DIRECT COMBAT is that:
Hybrid Loki > GK Harald > Base Harald = Rocks
Now if you wanna say Kaidou > Harald or whatever be my guest but I can promise you I do not care in the slightest.
-Harald has gotten more experience and stuff since he fought Rocks. He MAY be stronger than before even in base. Nothing indicates this, so I won't assume it.
-Harald is stronger as a GK than he is in his base form. This means he is stronger than Rocks here. I do not care. I do not care.
-When Harald and Loki first fight, Loki is using his non-Ragnir hammer, which is obviously weaker than Ragnir.
-Both use Conquerer's Haki, as seen by the big waves going everywhere.
-They clash directly.
-Loki notes that he has "monster strength" and is confused where it's coming from, indicating Harald at this point is using his GK-enhanced power and is not weakened in whatever manner people want to argue.
-With Jarul, he is able to overpower him.
-Loki is able to pass Ragnir's "test", which Harald indicates he'd be unable to do Pre-GK
This, to me, indicates that Loki is not inferior to the likes of Base Harald and Rocks, and is likely superior in terms of base physicals, Haki aside because idgaf.
Ragnir-Wise:
-I explained the test thing
-Loki's first hammer broke against it but not against Harald's sword
-Loki's able to kill a non-guarding Harald with a Hao Infusion + Lightning Bolt attack
This indicates that Loki's obviously better with Ragnir than without it, duh, why would you even add this SlendVeny?
Zoan-Wise:
-Harald refers to the fruit as having "legendary power"
-Harald gets his ass beat by Hybrid Loki with no Ragnir and gets ripped up without landing a hit. Loki literally smacks some sense into him
This indicates a high level of superiority. His Hybrid Form is stronger than GK Harald without using Ragnir at all.
Imo, being charitable towards the anti-Loki agenda, and assuming Loki hasn't gotten ANY stronger over time, we're looking at:
Hybrid Loki > Full Zoan Loki > Base Loki(Ragnir) > Base Loki(No Ragnir) =< GK Harald > Base Harald = Rocks
And what we KNOW for a FACT based on DIRECT COMBAT is that:
Hybrid Loki > GK Harald > Base Harald = Rocks
Now if you wanna say Kaidou > Harald or whatever be my guest but I can promise you I do not care in the slightest.
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Bro Imu such a schizo he flips from poker face to seething randomly about something on the fly.he was never confident in beating him in his dragon form?
he was also confident in beating kaidou and he lost 3 times... so that doesn't matter
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"Little hammer barely hurt, whateve- oH SHIT DRAGON BREATH"
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Its now confirmed Imu has a blade and has shown proficient sword skill. What does that mean for mihawk is that an upscale?
Its now confirmed Imu has a blade and has shown proficient sword skill. What does that mean for mihawk is that an upscale?
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