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Hello everyone, as the title suggests, I am in firm belief that immeasurable speed feats exist in Xenoverse 2. Towards the end of this CRT or during your read I hope to convince you. But before persuasion, let’s learn the fundamentals.
To start of with, what are the types of teleportation within the Dragon Ball Cosmology?
Kai-Kai
Kai-Kai is associated to teleportation, Kai-Kai isn’t just any teleportation that anybody can use, it’s exclusive to Supreme Kai’s such as Shin who used it to aid Goku and Vegeta from fleeing against Kid Buu’s attack. Future Warrior 2 serves as an exception to this exclusivity since they’re still able to utilise Kai-Kai despite not being of Kai race. Future Warrior can only take on the race of the following, Earthling, Saiyan, Frost Demon/Acrosian, Majin and Namekian.
Kai-Kai also has the capabilities of allowing said wielder to navigate lengthy distances. This is seen with Shin who’s capable of using Kai-Kai to go as far as Zeno’s palace alongside Whis and Goku. The Neutral Space was recently accepted as being significant low 1-C due to having its own time axis, Zeno’s palace being within Neutral Space means Kai-Kai has 5D range. Up to 6D range since Instant Transmission not only allows its users to transport to different dimensions but also, allows travel to different points in time. Since the totality of the cosmology or hypertimeline encompasses these structures it’s 6D.
Instant Transmission
There’s not much to say here since I slightly explained above. Instant Transmission is the second teleportation method on the list. Just like Kai-Kai, Instant Transmission allows the user to transport across the cosmos. Unlike Kai-Kai, Instant Transmission isn’t only exclusive to a specific race. Anyone can use Instant Transmission with Yardrat training and Goku’s mentorship. Instant Transmission remains the same mechanics that I listed above, it’s dimensional travel, time travel and teleportation.
Time Scroll
The Time Scrolls are another means to travel. Just like Instant Transmission and Kai-Kai, the Time Scrolls grant its host dimensional travel, time travel and teleportation as it can be used to teleport or travel. When the Scroll is within your grasp you’re able to travel to the timeline the Scroll is connected to and any time period written into the scroll. Mechanically, it is similar to Kai-Kai and Instant Transmission. Future Warrior uses it himself in cutscenes and is even transported by someone else.
While this isn’t teleportation via Time Scrolls, the VFX used is very similar to Time Scroll’s teleportation and even has similar mechanics allowing for travelling through time and dimensions. I should also add that while there is a similar VFX with some super soulssuch as “Thank you Dragon Balls” but there’s still a different in the trace/aura it leaves as the Teleportation Aura is bigger.
This doesn’t need a subheading since it’s not really important but lastly, assault vanish, this ability is pretty minor and only allows you to teleport a short distance behind your opponent.
Main Proposal
With teleportation based abilities out of the way I’m proposing that Future Warrior 2 and Xenoverse 2 characters receive immeasurable speed. 2:37:44 - 2:38:10, Future Warrior chases Time Breaker Bardock trying to grab ahold of him but Bardock manages to prevent that by keeping his distance and we see both characters travel into age 778.
Now I know what you’re thinking. Couldn’t this have been? Teleportation? No. For Instant Transmission to transport yourself and another ally or foe you need to make direct contact. I am also aware that Instant Transmission doesn’t require gestures.
Couldn’t have Bardock have used some other teleportation and have Future Warrior 2 respond with Kai-Kai or Instant Transmission to reach him? No, Xenoverse 2’s VFX for dimensional travel and time travel is VERY consistent and in the instance of Bardock and Future Warrior 2 teleporting to age 778 we see that it isn’t there. Since Bardock is running away from Future Warrior 2 I doubt that Bardock would’ve wanted to teleport himself and Future Warrior 2 and Future Warrior 2 doesn’t have the capabilities to transport another without contact. We don’t have much proof if Future Warrior 2 has Instant Transmission or Kai-Kai at this time since he has never actually used those abilities. He gains these skills from mentors which is something that can be done at any point in the story not that they’re shown in cutscene. It’s another reason why it’s hard to comprehend Future Warrior 2’s starting moves other than H2H since he doesn’t really use a lot of his abilities with the exception of Kamehameha, Final Shine Attack and possibly a few others.
Doesn’t Bardock’s Time Breaker variation give him Dark Ki which gives him innate teleportation? Yes. Bardock does have Dark Ki and in theory could use its teleportation but he has never been shown to do so in any available cutscene. Below, we see that Dark Ki users can indeed teleport themselves and forcefully teleport others. We also see Towa from Xenoverse 1 do something similar and again.
Do we spot consistency in this Dark Ki based teleportation? Yes. With all the reference I’ve compiled and sent Dark Ki itself seems to be evident. In the manga instance with Bardock and Crimson Masked Saiyan, Dark Ki seems to be portrayed as very Dark. This makes sense hence the name Dark Ki. In another instance, Demigra uses his staff which exudes Dark Ki to teleport Beat someplace else. The Dark Ki is coloured black, purple and dark blue, all colours connoting darkness. Then the other instances are red, Fu makes a gesture and teleports a Bojack race and Turles. Towa’s staff exudes Dark Ki which is red and black to teleport herself and Mira. In conclusion Dark Ki is portrayed as being dark blue, purple, black and red.
Dark Ki users can also cause scatter attacks which send you flying into a space time portal or warp space-time to send a foe into a realm beyond space-time. Dark Ki can also warp timelines to drag its victims across time. Some more portal creation used for travelling stuff which follows the colour scheme.
Doesn’t the Tournament of Power anti-feat disprove this? No. First of all, we shouldn’t extrapolate or equate Super’s continuity with Xenoverse 2’s continuity. One is considered mainline the other isn’t, both Tournament of Powers contain their own statements and those statements aren’t linear at all. This is proven by the existence and presence of Fu here, who hasn’t been introduced in the Dragon Ball Super continuity. It also doesn’t help that Fu is using a Demon Realm Crystal to experiment and amplify Toppo. Demon Ream Crystal’s aren’t a thing in mainline and Dragon Ball Super doesn’t follow this storyline in the slightest. Xenoverse 2’s Tournament of Power also has no mention of the 48 minute timer which is present in Dragon Ball Super, therefore we should avoid extrapolating these two separate events as it causes confusion and are incomparable. There’s also the fact that ALL of the contestants in Dragon Ball Super’s Tournament of Power aren’t all present in Xenoverse 2’s, this just serves as another example why we can’t link the two.
Well but it’s the Tournament of Power which is timed, that makes the anti-feat viable, even now? Frankly put, I’ve explained why both continuities aren’t an exact 1:1 copy on my former paragraph so if that argument didn’t change your views I have more to add. The Tournament of Power that takes place in Xenoverse depicts the pillar as being stagnant. In the very same clip we see that the World Of Void itself remains black. This is another flaw in the notion of having Xenoverse’s Tournament of Power being equal to Dragon Ball Super’s since in Dragon Ball Super episode 111, the changing of colour and the moving of the pillar are done in conjunction to show that the Tournament of Power is halfway done. We even see Grand Priest and Frieza confirm this in the same clip. Toppo and Vegeta’s battle takes place in episode 126 which is exactly, 15 episodes after 111. Periodically, in Xenoverse 2 the pillar should’ve moved and WOV should have been green like in Dragon Ball Super episode 111. Afterwards, Toppo’s Hakai technically does change the appearance of the WOV to what appears, cosmic but this doesn’t matter much either since the WOV in the Xenoverse 2 clip don’t look alike.
The second feat shows Hit using his time skipping ability to lunge towards Goku Black with a punch. Goku Black is struck but he was still able to react to the attack following with a block, but is still sent back due to the recoil and potency of the Hit. Theoretically, it would be impossible for a non immeasurable speed character to intercept Hit’s incoming attack with the use of time skip since Hit is skipping into the future or time travelling. For more insight on time-skip please refer to this page. For further insight on why intercepting time-skip is considered immeasurable speed, refer to this page.
With that said, I believe that this isn’t teleportation but rather something more akin to Rapid Movement or commonly known as Z vanishing. This isn’t teleporting but moving so fast your movements are being portrayed as teleportation. We see other in game examples with, instant rise, it looks like teleportation right? As I said prior, it’s not actually teleportation but is raw movement just depicted as teleportation as you’re moving exceptionally quick. The description of instant rise even reaffirms with the following;
Conclusion
I think I’ve summed everything up and would like to add that flat Immeasurable Speed scaling starts from Age 774 onwards.
Future Warrior’s earlier key as in his key from the Saiyan Saga will start off as FTL, up to Immeasurable Speed at peak (insert indexion).
Thank you to everyone who participated.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Vietthai96, Elizhaa
Disagree:
Neutral:
To start of with, what are the types of teleportation within the Dragon Ball Cosmology?
Kai-Kai
Kai-Kai is associated to teleportation, Kai-Kai isn’t just any teleportation that anybody can use, it’s exclusive to Supreme Kai’s such as Shin who used it to aid Goku and Vegeta from fleeing against Kid Buu’s attack. Future Warrior 2 serves as an exception to this exclusivity since they’re still able to utilise Kai-Kai despite not being of Kai race. Future Warrior can only take on the race of the following, Earthling, Saiyan, Frost Demon/Acrosian, Majin and Namekian.
Kai-Kai also has the capabilities of allowing said wielder to navigate lengthy distances. This is seen with Shin who’s capable of using Kai-Kai to go as far as Zeno’s palace alongside Whis and Goku. The Neutral Space was recently accepted as being significant low 1-C due to having its own time axis, Zeno’s palace being within Neutral Space means Kai-Kai has 5D range. Up to 6D range since Instant Transmission not only allows its users to transport to different dimensions but also, allows travel to different points in time. Since the totality of the cosmology or hypertimeline encompasses these structures it’s 6D.
Instant Transmission
There’s not much to say here since I slightly explained above. Instant Transmission is the second teleportation method on the list. Just like Kai-Kai, Instant Transmission allows the user to transport across the cosmos. Unlike Kai-Kai, Instant Transmission isn’t only exclusive to a specific race. Anyone can use Instant Transmission with Yardrat training and Goku’s mentorship. Instant Transmission remains the same mechanics that I listed above, it’s dimensional travel, time travel and teleportation.
Time Scroll
The Time Scrolls are another means to travel. Just like Instant Transmission and Kai-Kai, the Time Scrolls grant its host dimensional travel, time travel and teleportation as it can be used to teleport or travel. When the Scroll is within your grasp you’re able to travel to the timeline the Scroll is connected to and any time period written into the scroll. Mechanically, it is similar to Kai-Kai and Instant Transmission. Future Warrior uses it himself in cutscenes and is even transported by someone else.
While this isn’t teleportation via Time Scrolls, the VFX used is very similar to Time Scroll’s teleportation and even has similar mechanics allowing for travelling through time and dimensions. I should also add that while there is a similar VFX with some super soulssuch as “Thank you Dragon Balls” but there’s still a different in the trace/aura it leaves as the Teleportation Aura is bigger.
This doesn’t need a subheading since it’s not really important but lastly, assault vanish, this ability is pretty minor and only allows you to teleport a short distance behind your opponent.
Main Proposal
With teleportation based abilities out of the way I’m proposing that Future Warrior 2 and Xenoverse 2 characters receive immeasurable speed. 2:37:44 - 2:38:10, Future Warrior chases Time Breaker Bardock trying to grab ahold of him but Bardock manages to prevent that by keeping his distance and we see both characters travel into age 778.
Now I know what you’re thinking. Couldn’t this have been? Teleportation? No. For Instant Transmission to transport yourself and another ally or foe you need to make direct contact. I am also aware that Instant Transmission doesn’t require gestures.
Couldn’t have Bardock have used some other teleportation and have Future Warrior 2 respond with Kai-Kai or Instant Transmission to reach him? No, Xenoverse 2’s VFX for dimensional travel and time travel is VERY consistent and in the instance of Bardock and Future Warrior 2 teleporting to age 778 we see that it isn’t there. Since Bardock is running away from Future Warrior 2 I doubt that Bardock would’ve wanted to teleport himself and Future Warrior 2 and Future Warrior 2 doesn’t have the capabilities to transport another without contact. We don’t have much proof if Future Warrior 2 has Instant Transmission or Kai-Kai at this time since he has never actually used those abilities. He gains these skills from mentors which is something that can be done at any point in the story not that they’re shown in cutscene. It’s another reason why it’s hard to comprehend Future Warrior 2’s starting moves other than H2H since he doesn’t really use a lot of his abilities with the exception of Kamehameha, Final Shine Attack and possibly a few others.
Doesn’t Bardock’s Time Breaker variation give him Dark Ki which gives him innate teleportation? Yes. Bardock does have Dark Ki and in theory could use its teleportation but he has never been shown to do so in any available cutscene. Below, we see that Dark Ki users can indeed teleport themselves and forcefully teleport others. We also see Towa from Xenoverse 1 do something similar and again.
Do we spot consistency in this Dark Ki based teleportation? Yes. With all the reference I’ve compiled and sent Dark Ki itself seems to be evident. In the manga instance with Bardock and Crimson Masked Saiyan, Dark Ki seems to be portrayed as very Dark. This makes sense hence the name Dark Ki. In another instance, Demigra uses his staff which exudes Dark Ki to teleport Beat someplace else. The Dark Ki is coloured black, purple and dark blue, all colours connoting darkness. Then the other instances are red, Fu makes a gesture and teleports a Bojack race and Turles. Towa’s staff exudes Dark Ki which is red and black to teleport herself and Mira. In conclusion Dark Ki is portrayed as being dark blue, purple, black and red.
Dark Ki users can also cause scatter attacks which send you flying into a space time portal or warp space-time to send a foe into a realm beyond space-time. Dark Ki can also warp timelines to drag its victims across time. Some more portal creation used for travelling stuff which follows the colour scheme.
Doesn’t the Tournament of Power anti-feat disprove this? No. First of all, we shouldn’t extrapolate or equate Super’s continuity with Xenoverse 2’s continuity. One is considered mainline the other isn’t, both Tournament of Powers contain their own statements and those statements aren’t linear at all. This is proven by the existence and presence of Fu here, who hasn’t been introduced in the Dragon Ball Super continuity. It also doesn’t help that Fu is using a Demon Realm Crystal to experiment and amplify Toppo. Demon Ream Crystal’s aren’t a thing in mainline and Dragon Ball Super doesn’t follow this storyline in the slightest. Xenoverse 2’s Tournament of Power also has no mention of the 48 minute timer which is present in Dragon Ball Super, therefore we should avoid extrapolating these two separate events as it causes confusion and are incomparable. There’s also the fact that ALL of the contestants in Dragon Ball Super’s Tournament of Power aren’t all present in Xenoverse 2’s, this just serves as another example why we can’t link the two.
Well but it’s the Tournament of Power which is timed, that makes the anti-feat viable, even now? Frankly put, I’ve explained why both continuities aren’t an exact 1:1 copy on my former paragraph so if that argument didn’t change your views I have more to add. The Tournament of Power that takes place in Xenoverse depicts the pillar as being stagnant. In the very same clip we see that the World Of Void itself remains black. This is another flaw in the notion of having Xenoverse’s Tournament of Power being equal to Dragon Ball Super’s since in Dragon Ball Super episode 111, the changing of colour and the moving of the pillar are done in conjunction to show that the Tournament of Power is halfway done. We even see Grand Priest and Frieza confirm this in the same clip. Toppo and Vegeta’s battle takes place in episode 126 which is exactly, 15 episodes after 111. Periodically, in Xenoverse 2 the pillar should’ve moved and WOV should have been green like in Dragon Ball Super episode 111. Afterwards, Toppo’s Hakai technically does change the appearance of the WOV to what appears, cosmic but this doesn’t matter much either since the WOV in the Xenoverse 2 clip don’t look alike.
The second feat shows Hit using his time skipping ability to lunge towards Goku Black with a punch. Goku Black is struck but he was still able to react to the attack following with a block, but is still sent back due to the recoil and potency of the Hit. Theoretically, it would be impossible for a non immeasurable speed character to intercept Hit’s incoming attack with the use of time skip since Hit is skipping into the future or time travelling. For more insight on time-skip please refer to this page. For further insight on why intercepting time-skip is considered immeasurable speed, refer to this page.
With that said, I believe that this isn’t teleportation but rather something more akin to Rapid Movement or commonly known as Z vanishing. This isn’t teleporting but moving so fast your movements are being portrayed as teleportation. We see other in game examples with, instant rise, it looks like teleportation right? As I said prior, it’s not actually teleportation but is raw movement just depicted as teleportation as you’re moving exceptionally quick. The description of instant rise even reaffirms with the following;
Plus looking at one of Bardock’s moves which is phantom fist we can conclude that it’s not teleportation but verbatim stated to be akin to afterimage. We can also conclude it as Bardock being proficient in rapid movement or Z vanishing since phantom fist is categorised as that and not teleportation.
Conclusion
I think I’ve summed everything up and would like to add that flat Immeasurable Speed scaling starts from Age 774 onwards.
Future Warrior’s earlier key as in his key from the Saiyan Saga will start off as FTL, up to Immeasurable Speed at peak (insert indexion).
Thank you to everyone who participated.
Agree: DarkDragonMedeus, Vietthai96, Elizhaa
Disagree:
Neutral:
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