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Katsuki Bakugo Vs Garfiel Tinzel (My Hero Academia Vs Re: Zero) [7-2-0]

I can do you one better, Garfiel is superior to Elsa who
Anticipation based on opponent's gaze and muscles. Impressive but not something like "so he can handle blitz level close combat".

She foresees it coming and acts upon it as she already knows the attack after seeing it. Skilled? Yes. To ""so he can handle blitz level close combat" point? No.

Also the last two are the same just written in a little different way, unnecessary imo :d
She didn't see the enemy pulling it. Not that the entire slash itself is blitz level to her.
What? This is absolutely wrong. She threw them outside of it. The text itself literally says so. Same in both LN and WN.
This is the same as the second line.

Nothing here implies that he can handle blitz level close range&hand to hand combat.
 
Anticipation based on opponent's gaze and muscles. Impressive but not something like "so he can handle blitz level close combat".

She foresees it coming and acts upon it as she already knows the attack after seeing it. Skilled? Yes. To ""so he can handle blitz level close combat" point? No.
I was pointing out her skill slop, didnt mention the speed stuf there BUT being able to handle an innumerable amount of attacks that are relative to you in speed does point to her being able to handle things much faster than her.
Also the last two are the same just written in a little different way, unnecessary imo :d

She didn't see the enemy pulling it. Not that the entire slash itself is blitz level to her.
Its a perception blitz, her perception speed>combat speed. So yes, this is a blitz.
What? This is absolutely wrong. She threw them outside of it. The text itself literally says so. Same in both LN and WN.
This tells me you are disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, the text itself says that she managed to accurately target fred despite being weak to magic.
Did she throw her knives outside of shamak? yeah, but thats because her target were outside of it too
This is the same as the second line.

Nothing here implies that he can handle blitz level close range&hand to hand combat.
I shouldnt have to explain to you why dodging an attack explicitly too fast for her to even percieve means she can handle blitz level cqc

drop it gang, you aint built for this skillslop🥀
 
nope but olbart did, and again, blitzes are something an untrained child Emilia who is vastly inferior to her normal self (duh) who Garfiel is vastly superior to in close combat, could easily deal with. Everybody in ReZero has a better version of danger sense.

Also, that version of Emilia didnt even have this which allows characters to dodge attacks they physically wouldnt have been able to otherwise
Bakugo can perception blitz characters who are normally faster than him on his level. Cluster allowed him to push 45% Deku out of the way from Shiggy's attack while the attack was a few inches away from him

Base Bakugo's speed is calc'd at Mach 25 while Cluster is calc'd at 0.77C, meaning Bakugo gets literally a thousand times faster just from using Cluster. Arrows aren't thousands of times faster than a kid Emilia who's literally just aimdodging, and even if Garfiel could replicate the same feat, he's not predicting someone who's thousands of times faster than him who can spam stun grenades and spam attacks that cover entire football fields, all while said attacks are being carpet bombed from the sky
his blitz amp is also only 2x which isnt even close to the speed gap he would have had to deal with when he was fighting kurgan who is relative to him in speed but has 8 arms. Who was at the time, superior to him in strength and skill.
it's not x2, and also good luck outskilling someone who's, once again, carpet bombing you. Sure Garfiel folds Bakugo in CQC but Bakugo doesn't fight CQC so who cares lmao. And sure, the Dragon was spamming range attacks but Bakugo starts out much much faster, is a much smaller target, and can spam Howitzer which is strong enough to 1 shot people on his level so he has a spammable move that covers a massive area that deals too much damage for Garfiel to properly recover from, even if he adapts and heals from it.
You are not winning the argument by putting up a blitz amp against ReZeros skillslop man 😭

Think of an untrained child who has been cut off from the world being able to dodge perception blitz danmaku casually...
again, Garfiel isn't fighting another person. He's fighting a living airstrike. Martial arts doesn't help against that, and dodging danmaku doesn't help when Bakugo's blasts cover massive areas all at once all the time, not to mention Emilia aim dodging arrows is childs play compared to what Bakugo can do with, saying this again just to reiterate my point, A THOUSAND TIMES SPEED DIFFERENCE
 
Bakugo can perception blitz characters who are normally faster than him on his level. Cluster allowed him to push 45% Deku out of the way from Shiggy's attack while the attack was a few inches away from him

Base Bakugo's speed is calc'd at Mach 25 while Cluster is calc'd at 0.77C, meaning Bakugo gets literally a thousand times faster just from using Cluster. Arrows aren't thousands of times faster than a kid Emilia who's literally just aimdodging, and even if Garfiel could replicate the same feat, he's not predicting someone who's thousands of times faster than him who can spam stun grenades and spam attacks that cover entire football fields, all while said attacks are being carpet bombed from the sky
A thousand times speed difference????
 
A thousand times speed difference????
that's what it says on the profile

in this key, Cluster makes Bakugo a thousand times faster since base is Mach 25 while cluster is 0.77c

no idea why but it's technically true even in the source material
 
you are looking at the wrong key mate💀
in this key he starts off at rel+ and goes to 1.68c with cluster, also dealing with bombs and explosions is gonna be pretty easy for garf because

1. He would just heal, adapt and get stronger/more durable till the explosions stop doing anything to him
2. he scales above Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it....which is physically impossible and definitely superior to being carpet bombed
 
I don't like seeing my sensetive goat(tiger :d) stomped. So it's either to upgrade Re:Zero or downgrade MHA, both are painful so just close the match :d

Though, Re:Zero has some uncalced feats that might increase, so not that painful ig.
Yall I'm really self conflicted if Satella keeps talking about sum Ultra Instinct Garfiel over here
 
Based on Satella’s prior points, this match doesn’t look like a stomp. Seems fine to add to profiles.
It is stomp. Garfiel neither endures 20000K heat nor can handle close hand to hand blitz level combat against Bakugo here.

Regen of this level can't handle vaporization or anything, could be argued if he had enough resistance. Garfiel won't even have the chance to grow much either.
 
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It is stomp. Garfiel neither endures 20000K heat nor can handle close hand to hand blitz level combat against Bakugo here.

Regen of this level can't handle vaporization or anything, could be argued if he had enough resistance. Garfiel won't even have the chance to grow much either.
If Satella says something about Garfiel being untouchable against Bakugo here one more time it’s getting added.
 
you are looking at the wrong key mate💀
in this key he starts off at rel+ and goes to 1.68c with cluster, also dealing with bombs and explosions is gonna be pretty easy for garf because
whoops, thought this was Dark Hero Arc

ok that changes things

Bakugo still outpaces him by a good chunk and Garfiel has zero range options but now Bakugo isn't landing thousands of blows before Garfiel has a chance to heal, so the healing is going to be more relevant

However, this does allow Bakugo enough advantages to toss out cluster boosted Howitzers without much effort, especially with Stun Grenade helping him and the scale of his attacks being much larger than anything he can reasonably dodge (I assume the Cloud Dragon's projectiles were either smaller or Garfiel was just eating them cuz he's being nuked from the sky). Garfiel isn't durable enough to properly heal from or handle Howitzers, since again they one shot people normally on Bakugo's level to such an extent that Shigaraki, a character who's 1.12 Petatons and had up to that point been facetanking everything including Suneater and Nejire's Blasma Cannon, saw Howitzer as enough of a threat that he had to "get rid of it" before Bakugo landed it, even calling it "fantastic". Gonna be honest I still don't know why Bakugo's Howitzer Impact isn't considered 6A just because we didn't actually see what it could have done. Regardless, Garfiel isn't taking that amount of damage without severe consequences, and even if he doesn't get 1 shot off the bat (which honestly he might) Bakugo can just do it again and then there's nothing Garfiel can do.

Heck, I think all of us are forgetting that Bakugo's BASE EXPLOSIONS are already scaled to 18.65 Teratons, while Cluster gives him an amp higher than Howitzer already does. Considering how Bakugo's Howitzer makes him strong enough to 1 shot people on his level and Cluster is STRONGER THAN THAT and both can be STACKED, I don't see Garfiel just taking it and using AD to grow past it, especially since Bakugo has a x2 speed advantage
1. He would just heal, adapt and get stronger/more durable till the explosions stop doing anything to him
2. he scales above Elsa who dodged a room blowing up without exiting it....which is physically impossible and definitely superior to being carpet bombed
1. except Cluster is already insane enough to maul Garfiel on contact if not 1 shot him off rip. Low-Mid isn't good enough to recover from stuff like that, even though it is very potent for his normal explosions
2. Either the explosion is smaller than the room or there's something fishy going on there. Can you post a scan of where this happens?
 
And I still have zero idea why you voted him
Same vibes as this
 
"Garfiel isn't durable enough to properly heal from or handle Howitzers, since again they one shot people normally on Bakugo's level to such an extent that Shigaraki, a character who's 1.12 Petatons and had up to that point been facetanking everything including Suneater and Nejire's Blasma Cannon, saw Howitzer as enough of a threat that he had to "get rid of it" before Bakugo landed it, even calling it "fantastic"."

Petatons what????
 
"Garfiel isn't durable enough to properly heal from or handle Howitzers, since again they one shot people normally on Bakugo's level to such an extent that Shigaraki, a character who's 1.12 Petatons and had up to that point been facetanking everything including Suneater and Nejire's Blasma Cannon, saw Howitzer as enough of a threat that he had to "get rid of it" before Bakugo landed it, even calling it "fantastic"."

Petatons what????
yeah

Shiggy's profile

Continent level (His physical stats were stated to be on par with All Might in his prime<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tomura_Shigaraki_(Post-Surgery)#cite_note-MHAHVR-33"><span>[</span>32<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Tomura_Shigaraki_(Post-Surgery)#cite_note-34"><span>[</span>Statistic Value 2<span>]</span></a>)
The 6-A's like Prime All Might and Quirkless Complete Shigaraki are scaling sixty times above Deku's feat from the Final War Arc. (1.12 Petatons of TNT)
 
Grace ended ages ago. Can we just add this to the profiles and close the thread already?
 
its a stomp since the heat calc hasnt been added, it doesnt matter if garf can easily dodge the explosions or not if the resultant heat will vaporize his ass
again, how does he easily dodge spammed explosions that cover football fields

he'd have to omni man around the entire battlefield meanwhile Bakugo can just fly and keep spamming

like your argument is "garfiel dodge + garfiel AD" meanwhile you haven't actually explained how Garfiel dodges besides "he fought cloud dragon" and haven't responded to Cluster being a 1 shot amp that kills him before his AD besides "garfiel heal trust"

you also haven't responded to how Garfiel touches Bakugo at all since, again, Bakug can fly and Garfiel has no range option. All you said was "he fought cloud dragon" which doesn't help people who haven't read the novels, and the scans on his page don't reveal this either
 
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