Columbina vs Shigaraki (8-1-14)

[Voidnether]

Columbina here would be the next opponent to fight Shigaraki after the death of Skirk caused by Decay and Shigaraki rampaging Teyvat all over the place

• Trilune Goddess Columbina is used
• 20.5 Yottatons AP (5-A)
• 10.88% Speed of Light
• Class Z LS
• Space-Time Manipulation in which it's main use is to rewind all the damage caused to her similar to Eri's quirk (Time Rewind and possibly Time Slow)
• Its only Resistance is to Greater Biological Manipulation which causes frequent nosebleeds, dizziness, headaches and nausea mostly
• Law Manipulation with Perception Manipulation that's able to turn how their opponents perceive above, below, right and left
• Fate Manipulation through Columbina being able to manipulate the strands of fate, don't really know the combat-applicable part here
• Elemental Energy and other things

• Complete Shigaraki is used
• 1.12 Pettatons (6-A)
• 168% Speed of Light
• Class P LS
• Deconstruction through Decay, Reactive Evolution, and other things that could be elaborated by @CastoriceTheFifth

• Speed is equalized, that's all.


• Note: If there are any votes that I have crossed out, it's because they haven't reinstated their vote yet after what @CastoriceTheFifth said as @Sahlwrld's reasoning is out of character for Columbina to do so

• Columbina Hyposelenia: @AsterReal, @Excellence616, @Sahlwrld, @KingOfDarknessBelow, @Harith0cell, @Setsuna_tenma, @Furina003, @Mommyleona

• Shigaraki: @Mbpoops, @Anonymous_Learner, @Doggo, @Jackof_noTrades068, @PedjaTarzan, @AyOgUyS, @Voidnether, @Xdsagecat, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Machmatej, @Raiden38, @Shadowslaya!, @JoeDM021, @Mickey1940

• Skirk: @Shiroiyo

 

[Mbpoops]

theres a whole thread going on about nuking IX's nep 3 and you're worried about a ragebait matchup shigaraki FRB

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Following out of morbid curiosity

 

[MSahla]

One flick of Time Stop from Bina and he's done

 

[Machmatej]

seems like a time stop GG

also what's with all the Shigaraki threads?

 

[MSahla]

Or this. She can just BFR him to another dimension, that dimension is sealed and there you go, GG boys.

BFR (Dimensional; Scale from Dottore, who can send people to another space/dimension)

 

[Machmatej]

Or this. She can just BFR him to another dimension, that dimension is sealed and there you go, GG boys.

this one depends on several factors

 

[MSahla]

About Fate Manip.
So, imagine you are controlling a puppet using string, you can decide whatever action and outcome will be.
So, Shigaraki will just under her control already.

The heavens control human fate like a puppeteer controls a marionette. So, the inauspicious stars themselves do not have free will

 

[Machmatej]

About Fate Manip.
So, imagine you are controlling a puppet using string, you can decide whatever action and outcome will be.
So, Shigaraki will just under her control already.

this doesn't elaborate much. has she shown using fate manipulation to control enemies from the beginning? does this fate manipulation only make small changes that push things to the desired outcome, or does it completely rewrite reality? does "controlling like a marionette" mean humans are just possessed to do certain things? is this even ever used or is it just some lore thing? probably the vaguest description of fate manipulation i've seen.

 

[Voidnether]

seems like a time stop GG

also what's with all the Shigaraki threads?

The time stop here is based on interval though as we could see it spreading, we agreed that even on speed equalized matchups, their ability interval won't be equalized too which is to say that Decay's interval is significantly 157.12% faster than the Time Stop, Columbina doesn't have resistance to Decay, so what do you think? Could like Shigaraki win this? I'm waiting for Castorice still, we don't know how long is the time stop too since it was being intervened by Columbina sacrificing herself to resume time on Teyvat

 

[MSahla]

this doesn't elaborate much. has she shown using fate manipulation to control enemies from the beginning?

This manipulation of fate even touches the narrative and plot itself. Though, Columbina isn't on this level yet.

And no, it's not just a lore thing.

One as great as he should have no need for a constellation to shine over him. After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings.

Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm" and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate."

does this fate manipulation only make small changes that push things to the desired outcome

Basically this. It's kinda impossible to change the outcome of fate in Genshin, no matter how you try to avoid it like choosing different path, it will always towards the same end.

 

[Machmatej]

The time stop here is based on interval though as we could see it spreading, we agreed that even on speed equalized matchups, their ability interval won't be equalized too which is to say that Decay's interval is significantly 157.12% faster than the Time Stop, Columbina doesn't have resistance to Decay, so what do you think? Could like Shigaraki win this? I'm waiting for Castorice still, we don't know how long is the time stop too since it was being intervened by Columbina sacrificing herself to resume time on Teyvat

Since the time-freeze wave needs time to spread, it depends on its speed, range, how long time is frozen for, its cooldown, and if there are conditions to use it. Shigaraki has things like Danger Sense to pick up on hostility and threat levels, which helps him to move in advance and aim dodge attacks that are normally above his pay grade, along with Search constantly scanning for and analyzing weaknesses and openings while tracking the soul, and a natural adaptation system + quirk combinations to rapidly increase strength and speed passively or at a moment's notice.

If the wave only spreads in a set short radius, then Shigaraki would be able to avoid it by either increasing his own speed and/or sensing the hostility and threat level to move before the wave is even fired. If it covers the entire planet or universe or something, then Shigaraki's speed and predictions don't matter.

If the wave has a set radius but has a very short cooldown to make it spammable, he'd struggle a lot more but he could potentially win with long-range attacks, as after avoiding the first wave (if that's even possible), Search would have already kept track of the wave's radius/range, so Shigaraki would know how far he needs to keep his distance.

If there are conditions to use it, Shigaraki could potentially abuse that by preventing her from activating it.

It would also help to know why that blonde kid wasn't affected.

but time hax aside, I'm more curious to know how the fate manipulation works in a fight. if Columbina can actually just decide that Shigaraki would somehow lose the fight no matter what, then none of this really matters.

 

[Natsuki012]

It would also help to know why that blonde kid wasn't affected.

that's because he's a Descender, someone with the power to reshape fate

 

[Voidnether]

Since the time-freeze wave needs time to spread, it depends on its speed, range, how long time is frozen for, its cooldown, and if there are conditions to use it. Shigaraki has things like Danger Sense to pick up on hostility and threat levels, which helps him to move in advance and aim dodge attacks that are normally above his pay grade, along with Search constantly scanning for and analyzing weaknesses and openings while tracking the soul, and a natural adaptation system + quirk combinations to rapidly increase strength and speed passively or at a moment's notice.

If the wave only spreads in a set short radius, then Shigaraki would be able to avoid it by either increasing his own speed and/or sensing the hostility and threat level to move before the wave is even fired. If it covers the entire planet or universe or something, then Shigaraki's speed and predictions don't matter.

If the wave has a set radius but has a very short cooldown to make it spammable, he'd struggle a lot more but he could potentially win with long-range attacks, as after avoiding the first wave (if that's even possible), Search would have already kept track of the wave's radius/range, so Shigaraki would know how far he needs to keep his distance.

If there are conditions to use it, Shigaraki could potentially abuse that by preventing her from activating it.

It would also help to know why that blonde kid wasn't affected.

but time hax aside, I'm more curious to know how the fate manipulation works in a fight. if Columbina can actually just decide that Shigaraki would somehow lose the fight no matter what, then none of this really matters.

The blonde kid (The Traveler) isn't affected because they had Acausality type 4 due to not being restricted by fate, it's out of character for Columbina to decide that Shigaraki would somehow lose though since we never see her do this, but it's just one of her capability

The heavens control human fate like a puppeteer controls a marionette. So, the inauspicious stars themselves do not have free will. But, once I seal their power inside of a doll and bind it with animal bones, the residual thoughts within the bones allow them to develop awareness. I call these, uh, little creations, "Tzitzimimeh." You can think of them as manifestations of the inauspicious stars.

Constellations are a lore concept and gameplay mechanic in Genshin Impact. They control the fates (past, present, and future) of all humans in Teyvat, and as a result, every Character has their own unique star sign. In gameplay, they are sequential upgrades to playable Characters, which are similar to their Passive Talents and increase the effectiveness of the character or add new capabilities to existing abilities.

Basically what this meant is that the past, present and future of someone is already predetermined (decided) by Fate, not in a way that Columbina would just decide "Shigaraki would lose to the fight" since you know there's no implications of Columbina being able to do this in the fight against Dottore nor if we clearly see her Fate Manipulation is being used this way against Dottore

Which is why the Constellations don't have a free will to choose nor pick, because their past, present and future is already predetermined. That being said, I don't see why this could be combat applicable nor in-character of her

I think, the implications of Columbina manipulating the threads of Fate is that she's capable of granting them free will instead to choose, instead of limiting it which is actually in-character of her in this particular scenario

 

[Machmatej]

The blonde kid (The Traveler) isn't affected because they had Acausality type 4 due to not being restricted by fate, it's out of character for Columbina to decide that Shigaraki would somehow lose though since we never see her do this, but it's just one of her capability


Basically what this meant is that the past, present and future of someone is already predetermined (decided) by Fate, not in a way that Columbina would just decide "Shigaraki would lose to the fight" since you know there's no implications of Columbina being able to do this in the fight against Dottore nor if we clearly see her Fate Manipulation is being used this way against Dottore

Which is why the Constellations don't have a free will to choose nor pick, because their past, present and future is already predetermined. That being said, I don't see why this could be combat applicable nor in-character of her

I think, the implications of Columbina manipulating the threads of Fate is that she's capable of granting them free will instead to choose, instead of limiting it which is actually in-character of her in this particular scenario

that is very interesting, and the verse seems to have some interesting lore. in this case, how the time wave/bubble works would be the main deciding factor.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Shiggy FRB

 

[MSahla]

Since the time-freeze wave needs time to spread, it depends on its speed, range, how long time is frozen for, its cooldown, and if there are conditions to use it.

There are no any condition to use the Time Stop, it simply just a common ability for having the Three Moons power as it can affect the very fabric of space-time itself. The range itself is unknown, and if i remember correctly, time stop is assume universal in range unless there's a statement or the visual says otherwise. And none of that shows here.

It doesn't need a cooldown either, reason is above.

How long for the time stop is depends on the user wether they want to ended it right now or later, so it's basically indefinite depends on the user.

Basically like this:

If the wave has a set radius but has a very short cooldown to make it spammable, he'd struggle a lot more but he could potentially win with long-range attacks, as after avoiding the first wave (if that's even possible), Search would have already

It's technically spammable, as they (Dottore and Columbina) can casually use it with just their thoughts or like by flicking (as shown before). And Columbina can slow the time just by her thoughts as shown on her idle animation.

If there are conditions to use it, Shigaraki could potentially abuse that by preventing her from activating it.

No condition.

It would also help to know why that blonde kid wasn't affected.

As Nether explained.

but time hax aside, I'm more curious to know how the fate manipulation works in a fight. if Columbina can actually just decide that Shigaraki would somehow lose the fight no matter what, then none of this really matters.

Besides, there's also Law Manipulation. Columbina can casually play with the Rules of the world (including Life, Death, Time and Space) to suit her own wimps. So, she can use that Law Manipulation at battle.

And she also got Dimensional BFR. She can catch Shigaraki using her Paralysis Inducement and send him to another dimension that is sealed off and no escape.

If she got hit, she still has Temporal Restoration to basically “heal” herself.

 

[AsterReal]

I vote for Columbina, following Sahl’s reasoning.

 

[Excellence616]

Columbina fra

 

[MSahla]

Columbina fra ofc

 

[Machmatej]

There are no any condition to use the Time Stop, it simply just a common ability for having the Three Moons power as it can affect the very fabric of space-time itself. The range itself is unknown, and if i remember correctly, time stop is assume universal in range unless there's a statement or the visual says otherwise. And none of that shows here.

That's not how it works. Especially in situations like this where the time stop is clearly not instant, and has a set radius which needs to expand. On the contrary, you need a statement or visual that depicts her range as being universal. And if her time hax can truly influence a whole universe, or a at least a whole planet, you'd expect there to be something to back it up.

Also, for her time stop to be relevant, it needs to be either an opening move or a move she's been shown using very early in fights. Otherwise, you'd have to argue how she'd fight and survive before she gets to the point where she uses it.

It doesn't need a cooldown either, reason is above.

Affecting time-space as a common ability doesn't justify there being no cooldown. Do you have an actual scan that shows, or at least a statement that says her time stop can be used an infinite amount of times back-to-back with no repercussions?

It's technically spammable, as they (Dottore and Columbina) can casually use it with just their thoughts or like by flicking (as shown before). And Columbina can slow the time just by her thoughts as shown on her idle animation.

This still doesn't make it spammable. Thought-based attacks aren't spammable by default. And if the guy has to snap his fingers to activate it, then it's not even thought-based.

Besides, there's also Law Manipulation. Columbina can casually play with the Rules of the world (including Life, Death, Time and Space) to suit her own wimps. So, she can use that Law Manipulation at battle.

That's vague as hell. Explain how Law Manipulation is used in-verse, and how Columbina herself uses it in fights. Otherwise I can just tell you that Shigaraki killed a law manipulation user without elaborating or providing any kind of context, and just leave it at that. But context matters.

And she also got Dimensional BFR. She can catch Shigaraki using her Paralysis Inducement and send him to another dimension that is sealed off and no escape.

Again, you should really explain how the paralysis inducement works. Because Shigaraki himself resists normal paralysis attempts that should completely shut off the brain's signals to the body. And paralysis inducement via possession, mind control or soul attacks also get resisted by Shigaraki's physiology.

Worth mentioning how Columbina doesn't resist Fear Inducement or Illusion inducement, which Shigaraki just passively emits. With that, I could just say Shigaraki wins by looking at her without providing context on how the ability works or how its treated in-verse.

If she got hit, she still has Temporal Restoration to basically “heal” herself.

Shigaraki's Decay spreads via touch, so physical contact triggers an insta-kill deconstruction which Columbina doesn't seem to resist. So, I doubt she would be able to reverse her body before getting dusted. Shigaraki can also touch and affect the soul via physical touch, so even resisting deconstruction or reversing your body's injuries wouldn't be of use if you can't defend your soul, as within the soul world, Shigaraki can spiritually decay you.

Also, what is even Columbina's opening move? What is the first thing she does when starting fights? Does she even start attacking or does she play defensively? So far, all I've seen are vague mentions of random abilities without elaboration.

 

[Machmatej]

why are people even voting this early? no real arguments or counter arguments were made for either side, and it still hasn't been decided whether or not the matchup even works in the first place

 

[Voidnether]

There are no any condition to use the Time Stop, it simply just a common ability for having the Three Moons power as it can affect the very fabric of space-time itself. The range itself is unknown, and if i remember correctly, time stop is assume universal in range unless there's a statement or the visual says otherwise. And none of that shows here.

It doesn't need a cooldown either, reason is above.

How long for the time stop is depends on the user wether they want to ended it right now or later, so it's basically indefinite depends on the user.

Basically like this:



It's technically spammable, as they (Dottore and Columbina) can casually use it with just their thoughts or like by flicking (as shown before). And Columbina can slow the time just by her thoughts as shown on her idle animation.

No condition.

As Nether explained.


Besides, there's also Law Manipulation. Columbina can casually play with the Rules of the world (including Life, Death, Time and Space) to suit her own wimps. So, she can use that Law Manipulation at battle.

And she also got Dimensional BFR. She can catch Shigaraki using her Paralysis Inducement and send him to another dimension that is sealed off and no escape.

If she got hit, she still has Temporal Restoration to basically “heal” herself.

Her Law Manipulation is essentially just saying her Space, Time, Life and Death Manipulation are law based albeit I don't see her Life nor Death Manipulation being shown in terms of applications like her Space-Time ones.

I still do think that since this boils down to Columbina's time manipulation, Shigaraki's only way of winning is if his Reactive Evolution covers this since I'm sure Eri's quirk is time manipulation based and Quirk itself is law manipulation anyways and his Decay's speed advantage being 158.12% times faster than Columbina's time manipulation interval.

 

[JoeDM021]

yea idk either

anyways following till there has been proper args for both sides

 

[Machmatej]

I still do think that since this boils down to Columbina's time manipulation, Shigaraki's only way of winning is if his Reactive Evolution covers this since I'm sure Eri's quirk is time manipulation based and Quirk itself is law manipulation anyways and his Decay's speed advantage being 158.12% times faster than Columbina's time manipulation interval.

Wait, I didn't even see that speed isn't equalized. You should equalize it because Shigaraki would just instantly blitz and decay her.

 

[Voidnether]

Her Law Manipulation is essentially just saying her Space, Time, Life and Death Manipulation are law based albeit I don't see her Life nor Death Manipulation being shown in terms of applications like her Space-Time ones.

I still do think that since this boils down to Columbina's time manipulation, Shigaraki's only way of winning is if his Reactive Evolution covers this since I'm sure Eri's quirk is time manipulation based and Quirk itself is law manipulation anyways and his Decay's speed advantage being 158.12% times faster than Columbina's time manipulation interval.

That being said I still do think the ones that are applicable (i.e shown by Columbina) since her abilities chainscale off Dottore is her Time Slow instead of her Time Stop anyway, its still funny to think that her Time Slow was never used combat scenario wise though and only used in her idle animations

 

[Voidnether]

Wait, I didn't even see that speed isn't equalized. You should equalize it because Shigaraki would just instantly blitz and decay her.

I equalized it actually, it's just that ability interval isnt equalized on a speed equalization matchup. Castorice deadass told me to unequalize this despite it being blitz for Shigaraki

 

[Machmatej]

What interval?

 

[Voidnether]

What interval?

The speed interval of an ability to reach and hit their target, it's the same situation where Stand in JJBA isn't equalized in speed

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Also, what is even Columbina's opening move? What is the first thing she does when starting fights? Does she even start attacking or does she play defensively? So far, all I've seen are vague mentions of random abilities without elaboration.

Her time stop isn't her go to and her time slow was never used in a fight and was only her idle animation

 

[Machmatej]

Her time stop isn't her go to and her time slow was never used in a fight and was only her idle animation

 

[MSahla]

That's not how it works. Especially in situations like this where the time stop is clearly not instant, and has a set radius which needs to expand. On the contrary, you need a statement or visual that depicts her range as being universal. And if her time hax can truly influence a whole universe, or a at least a whole planet, you'd expect there to be something to back it up.

It's not “not instant” either. If you look more closely, they already got frozed even before the wave reached them. The wave is only an indicator that he's doing the time stop ability and we enter the world where the time is stop.

And the standard already says by default the range of time manipulation is universal unless it explicitly says otherwise.

• By default, the range of time manipulation is considered universal unless explicitly demonstrated or specified otherwise. In the case of time manipulation through gravity manipulation, it will be presumed to have a localized range instead of a universal one unless explicitly stated or demonstrated. Similarly, when utilizing pocket dimensions for time manipulation, it will not be presumed to possess a universal range unless explicitly indicated or shown.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Manipulation?so=search

Also, for her time stop to be relevant, it needs to be either an opening move or a move she's been shown using very early in fights. Otherwise, you'd have to argue how she'd fight and survive before she gets to the point where she uses it.

Literally Dottore used that Time Stop the moment after he stole the Three Moons power in the video i gave before. She only need to flick her finger to stop the time the moment the battle start.

Affecting time-space as a common ability doesn't justify there being no cooldown. Do you have an actual scan that shows, or at least a statement that says her time stop can be used an infinite amount of times back-to-back with no repercussions?

There's no statement of it having a cooldown either. Especially there's Dottore who could rewind the time whenever his HP is low.

That's vague as hell. Explain how Law Manipulation is used in-verse, and how Columbina herself uses it in fights. Otherwise I can just tell you that Shigaraki killed a law manipulation user without elaborating or providing any kind of context, and just leave it at that. But context matters.

There's a lot of Laws in Teyvat which includes the concept of Life, Death, Time, Space, and Fate.

I should also mention that, manipulating fate in genshin is also manipulating cause and effect. So, they can manipulate cause and effect, not just outcomes.

Because Causality is irreversibly attached to fate, and whatever fate changes will also alter the cause and effect.

Again, you should really explain how the paralysis inducement works. Because Shigaraki himself resists normal paralysis attempts that should completely shut off the brain's signals to the body. And paralysis inducement via possession, mind control or soul attacks also get resisted by Shigaraki's physiology.

This is how she will paralyzed him.

Worth mentioning how Columbina doesn't resist Fear Inducement or Illusion inducement, which Shigaraki just passively emits. With that, I could just say Shigaraki wins by looking at her without providing context on how the ability works or how its treated in-verse.

It's also worth mentioning that he can't detect Columbina's stealth. Even Arlecchino and the Traveler who normally have greater Enhanced Senses or Extrasensory Perception still cannot detect her.

Shigaraki's Decay spreads via touch, so physical contact triggers an insta-kill deconstruction which Columbina doesn't seem to resist. So, I doubt she would be able to reverse her body before getting dusted. Shigaraki can also touch and affect the soul via physical touch, so even resisting deconstruction or reversing your body's injuries wouldn't be of use if you can't defend your soul, as within the soul world, Shigaraki can spiritually decay you.

I mean, that if he can touch her, or even moved because of her time stop.

The misleading from the other sides is insane, like they just genuinely don't know it works.

That being said I still do think the ones that are applicable (i.e shown by Columbina) since her abilities chainscale off Dottore is her Time Slow instead of her Time Stop anyway, its still funny to think that her Time Slow was never used combat scenario wise though and only used in her idle animations

You wanted to say Columbina doesn't chainscale from Dottore's Time Stop? That's too funny if you do. Cause, what Dottore basically doing with that Time Stop is using Columbina's own power.

 

[Voidnether]

It's not “not instant” either. If you look more closely, they already got frozed even before the wave reached them. The wave is only an indicator that he's doing the time stop ability an enter the world where the time is stop.

And the standard already says by default the range of time manipulation is universal unless it explicitly says otherwise.

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Time_Manipulation?so=search

Literally Dottore used that Time Stop the moment after he stole the Three Moons power in the video i gave before. She only need to flick her finger to stop the time the moment the battle start.


There's no statement of it having a cooldown either. Especially there's Dottore who could rewind the time whenever his HP is low.

There's a lot of Laws in Teyvat which includes the concept of Life, Death, Time, Space, and Fate.

I should also mention that, manipulating fate in genshin is also manipulating cause and effect. So, they can manipulate cause and effect, not just outcomes.

Because Causality is irreversibly attached to fate, and whatever fate changes will also alter the cause and effect.

This is how she will paralyzed him.



It's also worth mentioning that he can't detect Columbina's stealth. Even Arlecchino and the Traveler who normally have greater Enhanced Senses or Extrasensory Perception still cannot detect her.


I mean, that if he can touch her, or even moved because of her time stop.

The misleading from the other sides is insane, like they just genuinely don't know it works.


You wanted to say Columbina doesn't chainscale from Dottore's Time Stop? That's too funny if you do. Cause, what Dottore basically doing with that Time Stop is using Columbina's own power.

I'm saying Columbina chainscales, and that's why it's indexed under her Time Manipulation but do we actually see Columbina use it in-character in the fight against Dottore even? Not really, so yeah it's just there for indexing. Unless it was Dottore vs Shigaraki then I'd happily say Dottore would use it and it's still considered in-character of him

 

[MSahla]

I'm saying Columbina chainscales, and that's why it's indexed under her Time Manipulation but do we actually see Columbina use it in-character in the fight against Dottore even? Not really, so yeah it's just there for indexing. Unless it was Dottore vs Shigaraki then I'd happily say Dottore would use it and it's still considered in-character of him

Non used on screen ≠ cannot be used. What kinda false rules is this?

If Dottore is using abilities derived from the Three Moons that are tied to Columbina then it shows the power can be applied in combat scenarios, and it implies Columbina, as the source, should logically have equal or superior control.

Unless there’s explicit evidence like:
“She cannot use this in combat” “It requires special conditions she never meets” then there's no reason to say she cannot use it in combat the same way Dottore did.

 

[Voidnether]

Non used on screen ≠ cannot be used. What kinda false rules is this?

If Dottore is using abilities derived from the Three Moons that are tied to Columbina then it shows the power can be applied in combat scenarios, and it implies Columbina, as the source, should logically have equal or superior control.

Unless there’s explicit evidence like:
“She cannot use this in combat” “It requires special conditions she never meets” then there's no reason to say she cannot use it in combat the same way Dottore did.

I'm just saying that it's not in-character of Columbina to do so, I'm not saying that it cannot be used because we'd remove it months ago if that was the case here

Unless shown, it's not in-character of her

 

[Voidnether]

Non used on screen ≠ cannot be used. What kinda false rules is this?

If Dottore is using abilities derived from the Three Moons that are tied to Columbina then it shows the power can be applied in combat scenarios, and it implies Columbina, as the source, should logically have equal or superior control.

Unless there’s explicit evidence like:
“She cannot use this in combat” “It requires special conditions she never meets” then there's no reason to say she cannot use it in combat the same way Dottore did.

I'll ask you this, when Columbina fought Rerir or Dottore, what was she using as her first move and the things after that? That's what considered her standard tactics, that's what's considered her "in-character"

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Yea I think Columbina wins this

 

[Arkenis]

I am voting

 

[Voidnether]

Non used on screen ≠ cannot be used. What kinda false rules is this?

If Dottore is using abilities derived from the Three Moons that are tied to Columbina then it shows the power can be applied in combat scenarios, and it implies Columbina, as the source, should logically have equal or superior control.

Unless there’s explicit evidence like:
“She cannot use this in combat” “It requires special conditions she never meets” then there's no reason to say she cannot use it in combat the same way Dottore did.

Also I wanna point out that if you were using Dottore instead, it'd actually be in-character of Dottore since his first move is to literally stop time in Teyvat, Columbina however, her first move like we all know isn't like this

 

[Voidnether]

I am voting

Which character?